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Who Would Vote For bush Again?

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 11:15 am
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
dude, you're just playing the word game, ...


The word game, DTOM, is being played by the anti-Bush folks who assert that Bush claimed the Iraq threat was "imminent," when it's clear he did not.

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"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option."


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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 11:29 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
On Thursday in Cincinnati, Ohio, Cheney described Saddam as a "man who provided safe harbor and sanctuary to terrorists for years" and who "provided safe harbor and sanctuary as well for al Qaeda."


Bush has also made a comment that was either EXACTLY, or very much like this within the last couple of days asl while ha has been out "selling" his "war successes" to "the people that can people that can be fooled all the time". What would he do without his his moron core of believers??

Anon
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 11:29 am
Ticomaya wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
dude, you're just playing the word game, ...


The word game, DTOM, is being played by the anti-Bush folks who assert that Bush claimed the Iraq threat was "imminent," when it's clear he did not.

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"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option."


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if that was the case, what is the explanation for not allowing the u.n. inspectors the additional few months to do their work?

if the threat was not imminent, that means that there was no "urgency" to take overwhelming action.

c'mon tico... you're a lawyer. you know words have specific meanings, that's why we use them. to convey specific mental imagery of a thought.

and, to pretend that there is no such thing as "implication" in the use of language is disingenuous.

there's a distinct difference between saying "someday, the guy could be trouble" and that "he is a threat of unique urgency".

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that said, how ya like the new gilmour record ?
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 11:40 am
By George,

I do believe that dyslexia & blueveinedthrobber nailed it with their last two posts!


Snood, I told you that your post was so far over their heads that they would never understand it! They don't try to understand anything that doesn't come from the mouth of their master. Well, this guy pretty much says it all for me!


Will Durst, Working for a Change, March 16, 2006

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=20489

I don't know about you guys, but I am so sick and tired of these lying,
thieving, holier-than-thou, right-wing, cruel, crude, rude, gauche,
coarse, crass, cocky, corrupt, dishonest, debauched, degenerate,
dissolute, swaggering, lawyer shooting, bullhorn shouting,
infrastructure destroying, hysterical, history defying, finger-pointing,
puppy stomping, roommate appointing, pretzel choking, collateral
damaging, aspersion casting, wedding party bombing, clear cutting,
torturing, jobs outsourcing, torture outsourcing, "so-called"
compassionate-conservative, women's rights eradicating, Medicare
cutting, uncouth, spiteful, boorish, vengeful, noxious, homophobic,
xenophobic, xylophonic, racist, sexist, ageist, fascist, cashist,
audaciously stupid, brazenly selfish, lethally ignorant, journalist
purchasing, genocide ignoring, corporation kissing, poverty inducing,
crooked, coercive, autocratic, primitive, uppity, high-handed,
domineering, arrogant, inhuman, inhumane, insolent, know-it-all, snotty,
pompous, contemptuous, supercilious, gutless, spineless, shameless,
avaricious, poisonous, imperious, merciless, graceless, tactless,
brutish, brutal, Karl Roving, backward thinking, persistent vegetative
state grandstanding, nuclear option threatening, evolution denying,
irony deprived, depraved, insincere, conceited, perverted, pre-emptory
invading of a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 911, 35 day
vacation taking, bribe soliciting, incapable, inbred, hellish, proud for
no apparent reason, smarty pants, loudmouth, bullying, swell headed,
ethnic cleansing, ethics eluding, domestic spying, medical marijuana
busting, kick backing, Halliburtoning, New Deal disintegrating,
narcissistic, undiplomatic, blustering, malevolent, demonizing, baby
seal clubbing, Duke Cunninghamming, hectoring, verbally flatulent,
pro-bad, anti-good, Moslem baiting, photo-op arranging, hurricane
disregarding, oil company hugging, judge packing, science disputing,
faith based mathematics advocating, armament selling, nonsense spewing,
education ravaging, whiny, unscrupulous, greedy exponential factor
fifteen, fraudulent, CIA outing, redistricting, anybody who disagrees
with them slandering, fact twisting, ally alienating, betraying, god and
flag waving, scare mongering, Cindy Sheehan libeling, phony question
asking, just won't get off the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge drilling,
two-faced, inept, callous, menacing, oppressive, vulgar, antagonistic,
brush clearing, suck-up, showboating, tyrannizing, peace hating, water
and air and ground and media polluting -- which is pretty much all the
polluting you can get -- deadly, illegal, pernicious, lethal, haughty,
venomous, virulent, ineffectual, mephitic, egotistic, bloodthirsty,
incompetent, hypocritical, did I say evil, I'm not sure if I said evil,
because I want to make sure I say evil... EVIL, cretinous, fool, toad,
buttwipe, lizardstick, cowardly, lackey imperialistic tool slime buckets
in the Bush Administration that I could just spit. Impeachment, hell no.
Impalement.

Upon the sharp and righteous sword of the people's justice.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 11:45 am
Maggs, That about clarifies it for me! Thanks.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 11:48 am
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
if that was the case, what is the explanation for not allowing the u.n. inspectors the additional few months to do their work?


They had 12 years. Enough is enough.

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if the threat was not imminent, that means that there was no "urgency" to take overwhelming action.


Read what the president said again. The action taken was long overdue.

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c'mon tico... you're a lawyer. you know words have specific meanings, that's why we use them. to convey specific mental imagery of a thought.


True, and that's why liberals need to be called on their bs when they falsely claim Bush said the Iraq threat was imminent, or when they claim he said there was a direct connection between Saddam and 9/11.

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and, to pretend that there is no such thing as "implication" in the use of language is disingenuous.


Read what Bush said in the State of the Union speech (quoted above), and explain why you think he implied the threat was "imminent."

[/quote]there's a distinct difference between saying "someday, the guy could be trouble" and that "he is a threat of unique urgency".

If liberals were going around claiming Bush asserted Saddam was a "threat of unique urgency," you and I would not be having this argument.

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that said, how ya like the new gilmour record ?


Haven't heard it. Buddy of mine is going to Radio City Music Hall in early April for a concert. Color me jealous.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 11:51 am
Magginkat wrote:
By George,

I do believe that dyslexia & blueveinedthrobber nailed it with their last two posts!


Snood, I told you that your post was so far over their heads that they would never understand it! They don't try to understand anything that doesn't come from the mouth of their master. Well, this guy pretty much says it all for me!


It appears the only thoughts you have are expressed by others. That's why when you were caught lying about Bush claiming a direct connection between Saddam and 9/11, your only resort was to blame the "talking heads" you were quoting. I suppose you had little credibility in the first instance, but you just lost whatever was remaining.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 11:51 am
so, should we take it that Will Durst is not a fan of the bush administration?

no. we cannot.

show me where he said, "i am not a fan of the bush administration".

c'mon, provide me with the evidence where he said that.

Laughing :wink: .......... Laughing Laughing
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 11:52 am
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
show me where he said, "i am not a fan of the bush administration".


Who said he said he was a fan of the Bush Administration?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 11:59 am
Ticomaya wrote:
If liberals were going around claiming Bush asserted Saddam was a "threat of unique urgency," you and I would not be having this argument.


huh.. okay.

then what do you think the president was declaring when he said;

"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
- President Bush, 10/2/02


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that said, how ya like the new gilmour record ?


Haven't heard it. Buddy of mine is going to Radio City Music Hall in early April for a concert. Color me jealous.[/quote]

i've previewed about half of it on his website. sounds pretty good. most of it's more laid back than floyd, but he tends to go that way when on his own.

would love to see him live again. but alas, ticket prices here are more than i'm willing to spend.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 12:02 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
show me where he said, "i am not a fan of the bush administration".


Who said he said he was a fan of the Bush Administration?


tico, tico, tico.... it's a joke, babe. don't go all lawyur on me now. it's too early in the day!

Laughing
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 12:05 pm
snood wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
snood wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
On Thursday in Cincinnati, Ohio, Cheney described Saddam as a "man who provided safe harbor and sanctuary to terrorists for years" and who "provided safe harbor and sanctuary as well for al Qaeda."

I'm having a problem with my memory. Would you mind pointing me, please, to the quotation in which Bush asserts that Iraq played a role in 9/11?


Most of us humans, being as high as we are in the evolutionary pecking order, have rudimentary intuitive powers. Do I understand you as saying that you believe George Bush and his seconds in no way tried to make a case that Hussein and 9/11 were connected? Aside from semantics, just tell me you really believe that no attempt was made to make that connection.

I can only go on what he said, and he never said that Iraq played a role in 9/11. If you disagree, just cite your source.


Suppose I said "Brandon was seen in the company of the robbers before the robbery, trained them to rob banks and has given bank robbers safe haven and funded their robberies". In your opinion, as long as I don't say "Brandon is an accomplice of the bank robbers", then I am not giving the impression that you are an accompliece?

You may be able to find some factually accurate statements by Bush that Hussein provided some assistance to generic Islamic terrorists, but you will never find anything approaching a statement that Iraq participated in 9/11, because he simply did not say it. I guess in the new regime Bush is guilty even of things he didn't do.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 12:08 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Quote:
"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
- President Bush, 10/2/02


threat
A noun
1 threat
declaration of an intention or a determination to inflict harm on another; "his threat to kill me was quite explicit"

2 threat
a warning that something unpleasant is imminent; "they were under threat of arrest"


On the contrary, something can be a threat in the making. The word does not contain the idea of imminence. "He had made some nasty threats about what was going to happen when his jail sentence ended."


so now the dictionary is wrong ??

jeez louise, brandon, even your example uses the concept of imminence.

what do think "in the making" says ? it says "it will be here".

that is imminence.

the eventual, but certain, ending of a jail sentence is an imminent release.

dude, you're just playing the word game,

whether a person says "the house is burning to the ground" or "the house is on fire", the meaning is still the same.

In my example, the word "threat" is used correctly, without any implication whatever that the event in question is just about to occur.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 12:08 pm
Brandon,
I'm still trying to get you to acknowledge or deny that you can see where there was an implication of a connection made, but you keep wanting to talk about what words were said. Do you or don't you see where Bush and Co. tried to make a case that Hussein and 9/11 were connected?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 12:10 pm
snood wrote:
Brandon,
I'm still trying to get you to acknowledge or deny that you can see where there was an implication of a connection made, but you keep wanting to talk about what words were said. Do you or don't you see where Bush and Co. tried to make a case that Hussein and 9/11 were connected?

I assert that Bush and Cheney did not try to make such a connection. If you disagree, it would be conventional for you to cite your source.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 12:10 pm
Brandon will never "get it."

When this administration repeated adnauseum about 9-11 and Saddam in most of their speeches, most people came to the conclusion that they are connected. HOw else do you think almost 50 percent of Americans still think that? Are you living in the real world? Are you claiming you didn't hear Bush and Cheney say "9-11 and Saddam" in the same speech? If you are, you're all liars.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this one, but Bushie supportiers keep asking for proof he said or didn't say 9-11 was connected to Saddam. Either their school lacked logic or semantics, or their brains have become calcified to protect their messiah.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 12:12 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
On Thursday in Cincinnati, Ohio, Cheney described Saddam as a "man who provided safe harbor and sanctuary to terrorists for years" and who "provided safe harbor and sanctuary as well for al Qaeda."


Bush has also made a comment that was either EXACTLY, or very much like this within the last couple of days asl while ha has been out "selling" his "war successes" to "the people that can people that can be fooled all the time". What would he do without his his moron core of believers??

Anon

I don't know a great deal about what Hussein did or didn't do, but I do know that he paid the families of suicide bombers, which at least lends some plausibility to the idea that the above quotation may be true.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 12:12 pm
Montana wrote:
Maybe Bush didn't come right out and say it, but him and his whole administration mislead the American people and led them to believe that Saddam was involved.

isn't that just as bad?


Both Bush and Cheney have done so. Ican711 has a whole litany of posts that prove they did. If I really cared, I would go through his past posts and bring them up, but it would make no difference. The rightwing posters in this topic don't care about the truth and will be chickenhawk, mechanical, Bush apologists no matter what is said here. They need to protect their Chickenshit In Chief no matter what. It's what they are, and what they do ... you can expect no less!!

I wouldn't waste a whole lot of time on them. I have already done so, and I swore not to. Someday, I will have to learn my lesson that some people are too evil and venal to accept the truth.

They don't accept it, they don't want it, and they won't hear it! We have to accept that there are people like this, and just ignore them from here on.

Anon
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 12:15 pm
It's clear they cannot acknowledge a simple truth - Bush and Co. tried to sell a connection between Hussein and 9/11.

I think it's like someone has explained earlier in this thread - if they acknowledge this, it makes it necessary to acknowledge a whole lot of ugly things about their administration - something they cannot do. It is their definite character weakness on clear display for all.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 12:18 pm
There was absolutely a connection between Hussein and 9/11, whether Bush & Co. tried to sell it or not.

To think otherwise is to put your naiveity on display for all.
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