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What the invasion of Iraq has done is to gain more sympathy for the extremist. The extremist message is the West wants to invade and colonize the Middle East so as to control the oil.
The extremist will fabricate and pump out any propaganda imaginable, to try and further their cause.
As will George Bush.
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Bush's invasion of Iraq is gives credibility to this argument.
How?
You mean you can't connect the two?
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This is especially true in light of the fact that every reason Bush gave for the invasion was false.
Please show me the proof that all of his reasons were false. Those are serious accusations.
Show me your WMD's
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Bush claims that the UN must be obeyed and used the UN as an excuse to invade Iraq.
Every major global intelligence operation, along with the UN, voiced extreme concerned about Iraq, and stressed that something had to be done. Years passed, and no one had enough balls to step up to the plate and do something. This continued, until 9/11, which was more catastrophic than the bombing of Pearl Harbor. It was the last straw that broke the camel's back.
Bush bent over backward talking with the UN, global leaders, and Sadaam, but to no avail. In my opionion, Bush pussyfooted around too long. He should have done it sooner. But since he was trying to please everyone and his brother, a lot of time was wasted, which gave SH plenty of time to stash his load somewhere else.
Bush bend over backward to invade Iraq. He was making Saddam prove a negative; prove you don't have WMD's. Saddam was telling the truth when he claimed he didn't have them. There is no possible way he could prove it and Bush knew it. Hans Blix was showing the world that Saddam was cooperating with the UN inspection and the inspection was showing the world that Saddam didn't have WMD's If Bush was so sincere in giving Saddam a break why did he kick the UN inspectors out of Iraq and invade?
Was the danger from Iraq so imminent that we had to kick out the inspectors before they could complete their inspection? This war Bush started has cost the lives of tens of thousands of people many, if not most of them, innocent people. That's not counting over 2,100 Americans killed and over 10,000 wounded. Don't you think a confirmation of Saddam's WMD's was in order before we created a conflict that has killed so many people?
Or do you think political ideology has more value than human life?
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Yet this country has continuously ignored Israels behavior in ignoring the UN.
The USA can't and shouldn't have to police every country on the face of the earth. The only reason we stepped in at all, was because of the top-level severity of the situation. We cannot sit back and take a blow of that caliber and not do anything about it. That is the (in)action of a coward.
Funny the double standard here. If Israel ignores a UN resolution you give the excuse that we can't police every country on earth. If Iraq ignores one resolution we should invade it.
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And yes Iraq is the new training ground for terrorists. It's the new Afghanistan.
It was one of the major training grounds for terrorism, which is exactly one of the reasons why we went there, to begin with. Bush made it clear that we (the US) would sytematically go after those who continued to harbor terrorists. A lot of it has now been knocked out, and the place is no longer the hotbed it was, for terrorist training.
On the other hand, the turmoil has obviously, recently increased. The terrorists are swarming into Iraq from other countries like flies. On the positive side, one could say that this is beneficial, because you can fight them there, since they're concentrated in a major area. (sort of like being able to swat a group of flies with one swat) On the negative side, this poses a new problem which calls for a new strategy, which we apparently don't have, as of yet. Since no one has ever fought this kind of grand-scale, unconventional war, we can only move forward, and learn as we go.
Your wrong. Iraq was not, under Saddam, a major training ground for terrorists. Saddam had little if any dealings with Osama bin Laden. The secular regimes of Iraq and Syria were hated by the religious fanatic Osama.
Quote:Osama bin Laden rejected the idea of forming an alliance with Hussein and viewed him as an enemy of the jihadist movement because the Iraqi leader rejected radical Islamic ideals and ran a secular government.
Iraq is more than it has ever been a training ground for terrorist. Our own government says so.
Quote:Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for the next generation of "professionalized" terrorists, according to a report released yesterday by the National Intelligence Council, the CIA director's think tank.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7460-2005Jan13.html
However Saddam was fighting a guerrilla war with Iran. Saddam was also conducting raids into Iran. Apologists for Bush cite this as Saddam supporting terrorist. The Iraqi-Iranian War never did end. It just went into a low profile guerilla war that lasted up to Bush's invasion.
The prime minister of Iraq, Ibrahim Al-Jaafari, has far closer ties with Iran than the US. The Shiites that control a large part of the Iraqi government is very closely allied with Iran. It was Iran that helped the Iraqi Shiites in their war against Saddam, not the US.
The Kurds were conducting raids in Turkey. But Saddam had noting to do with this. The Kurdish territory was in the northern no-fly zone and Saddam was not allowed to have any of his troops in their territory. Any raids being made into Turkey was an issue between the Kurds and Turkey.
Quote:On the other hand, the turmoil has obviously, recently increased. The terrorists are swarming into Iraq from other countries like flies.
And you can thank George Bush for that. Most of the violence is from Sunni Iraqis, not foreigners. Al Qaeda grabs the headlines but it is a minor player when compared to Iraqi nationalists. What Bush has done is to make Al Qaeda and the Iraqi Sunnis allies in the same manner as Hitler made communist Russia and the US allies in WW II.
In today's news;
Quote:Most people in 33 out of 35 countries worldwide believe that the US-led war in Iraq has increased the threat of terrorism, a survey for BBC World Service radio suggested.
An average of 60 percent in the 33 nations agreed that the March 2003 invasion had increased the likelihood of terrorist attacks, with just 12 percent believing the opposite. A further 15 percent thought it had no effect.
AND
Quote:A report by the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency shows there is no proof Iran's nuclear program is aimed at producing nuclear weapons, Iran's foreign minister said Tuesday in Japan.
"They could not find evidence which shows that Iran has diverted from its peaceful purposes of nuclear activities in Iran," said Manouchehr Mottaki, who was in Tokyo to meet with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi.
A confidential International Atomic Energy Agency report made available to The Associated Press Monday said that a more than three-year probe has not revealed "any diversion of nuclear material to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices."
OOOOOPPPPPS! Can't have this. We need a reason to attack Iran. There must be some way to discredit this report.
