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GWB's speechwriter confirms invasion was to steal oil

 
 
Reply Tue 19 Mar, 2013 04:24 pm
David Frum confirms that Bush and Cheney caused the invasion of Iraq to steal their oil. In my view, considering the ensuing slaughter and damage in Iraq, that makes the two leaders war criminals.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/18/david-frum-iraq-war-oil
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 19 Mar, 2013 04:30 pm
@Advocate,
David's sure come a long way in the past decade.

I wonder if he's trying to become a respected journalist like his late mother.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Mar, 2013 05:26 pm
@Advocate,
It's about the oil? If that were the case then how come less then 4% of the oil used in the US is from Iraq?

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948787,00.html
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 19 Mar, 2013 05:32 pm
I think it was about avenging the assassination attempt against daddy.

http://articles.cnn.com/2002-09-27/politics/bush.war.talk_1_homeland-security-senators-from-both-parties-republican-phil-gramm?_s=PM%3AALLPOLITICS
thack45
 
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Reply Tue 19 Mar, 2013 05:53 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

David's sure come a long way in the past decade.

I wonder if he's trying to become a respected journalist like his late mother.


prolly time for another book
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 19 Mar, 2013 06:35 pm
@Baldimo,
Ever the fool, aren't you, Baldimo?

Do you wish you would have been able to participate in the war crime that was Iraq too?

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Western oil firms remain as US exits Iraq

The end of the US military occupation does not mean Iraqis have full control of their oil.

Dahr Jamail Last Modified: 07 Jan 2012 18:45


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According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), Iraq's oil reserves of 112 billion barrels ranks second in the world, only behind Saudi Arabia. The EIA also estimates that up to 90 per cent of the country remains unexplored, due to decades of US-led wars and economic sanctions.

"Prior to the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq, US and other western oil companies were all but completely shut out of Iraq's oil market," oil industry analyst Antonia Juhasz told Al Jazeera. "But thanks to the invasion and occupation, the companies are now back inside Iraq and producing oil there for the first time since being forced out of the country in 1973."

Juhasz, author of the books The Tyranny of Oil and The Bush Agenda, said that while US and other western oil companies have not yet received all they had hoped the US-led invasion of Iraq would bring them, "They've certainly done quite well for themselves, landing production contracts for some of the world's largest remaining oil fields under some of the world's most lucrative terms."

Dr Abdulhay Yahya Zalloum, an international oil consultant and economist who has spent nearly 50 years in the oil business in the US, Europe, Asia and the Middle East, agrees that western oil companies have "obtained concessions in Iraq's major [oil] fields", despite "there being a lack of transparency and clarity of vision regarding the legal issues".

Dr Zalloum added that he believes western oil companies have successfully acquired the lions' share of Iraq's oil, "but they gave a little piece of the cake for China and some of the other countries and companies to keep them silent".

In a speech at Fort Bragg in the wake of the US military withdrawal, US President Barack Obama said the US was leaving behind "a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people".

Of this prospect, Dr Zalloum was blunt.

"The last thing the US cares about in the Middle East is democracy. It is about oil, full stop."

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/12/2011122813134071641.html
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JeffreyEqualityNewma
 
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Reply Wed 20 Mar, 2013 05:25 pm
@Advocate,
Don't know that it was just for oil but 10 years ago this month marks the start of one of the worst mistakes in the history of the United States. $2.2 trillion and over 4000 lives wasted with almost nothing good to show for it. Lies and false information got us there. Stubborn nationalism kept us there. So much time and money and so many young lives thrown away. George W. Bush and his administration set this country back years and we still have not recovered.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 20 Mar, 2013 05:35 pm
@JeffreyEqualityNewma,
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but 10 years ago this month marks the start of one of the worst mistakes in the history of the United States.


You oughta bone up on the history of the US if you think this was bad, Jeffrey.

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over 4000 lives wasted


Huh!!!? The count is up in the hundreds of thousands, Jeff. Talk about unbelievably self absorbed!!

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almost nothing good to show for it.


True. The US is really really slipping. In previous illegal invasions they were able to slaughter millions.

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George W. Bush and his administration set this country back years and we still have not recovered.


Do you understand the meaning of "self absorbed"?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 20 Mar, 2013 10:11 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

It's about the oil? If that were the case then how come less then 4% of the oil used in the US is from Iraq?

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948787,00.html


I knew someone would come up with that question. Bush and company failed to get the oil just like they failed in every other endeavor.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 20 Mar, 2013 10:12 pm
@JPB,


The administration prepared a map before the invasion dividing Iraq's oil among the US oil companies. It has been on the net, but I can no longer find it.
Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 20 Mar, 2013 10:14 pm
@JeffreyEqualityNewma,
JeffreyEqualityNewma wrote:

Don't know that it was just for oil but 10 years ago this month marks the start of one of the worst mistakes in the history of the United States. $2.2 trillion and over 4000 lives wasted with almost nothing good to show for it. Lies and false information got us there. Stubborn nationalism kept us there. So much time and money and so many young lives thrown away. George W. Bush and his administration set this country back years and we still have not recovered.


Nam was even worse. We lost about 50,000 men, and there were a couple hundred thousand wounded. We killed over three million viets.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 12:00 am
@Advocate,
To many people Nam is ancient history. Hell, to many 8 years ago is ancient history.
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 06:58 am
My favorite line:

"Unfortunately, Americans are quite good at regretting their past wars but quite poor at applying the lessons to newly proposed ones."
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 08:02 am
@Advocate,
You surprise me Advocate, I never would have you down as a Guardian reader, not after quoting Melanie Phillips. And you seem genuinely concerned about the deaths of Moslems, perhaps there's hope for you after all.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 08:30 am
@Advocate,
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The administration prepared a map before the invasion dividing Iraq's oil among the US oil companies. It has been on the net, but I can no longer find it.


Sure they did as a map was put on the internet and everything on the net happen to be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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nydia2013
 
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Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 09:05 am
@JeffreyEqualityNewma,
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Don't know that it was just for oil but 10 years ago this month marks the start of one of the worst mistakes in the history of the United States. $2.2 trillion and over 4000 lives wasted with almost nothing good to show for it. Lies and false information got us there. Stubborn nationalism kept us there. So much time and money and so many young lives thrown away. George W. Bush and his administration set this country back years and we still have not recovered.


Ah, my fellow poster, I could not agree with you more. One almost feel sorry for GWB for having such a sinister scheming VP who was in fact the de Facto president for the George W Bush administration.

There were 4,500 US Military deaths in Iraq, with thousands of Iraqis casualties. The wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, were not paid for which is why the US is in such economic trouble right now; 800 BILLION dollars was spent according to the Dept. of Defense.

Dick Cheney illegally invaded Iraq.....profiteering for his company, Halliburton, control of the oil contracts and to rearrange the middle east for the NEOCONS. After they got rid of Saddam Hussein and gotten control of Iraq....their goal within in a short number of days, they intended to go on into Syria and or Iran. But their ultimate goal was to change the middle east so Israel would have fewer Arab enemies. They got bogged down in Iraq and today the country is still broken with a civil war going on there. In fact the entire region is worse with Iran having more power than prior to the Iraq invasion.

The US TODAY has more enemies than ever before and who knows when it will end. What would help would be Israel's quitting the land grabbing and the persistent building of settlements.....at the rate they're building settlements in the West Bank, pretty soon there will be no room for a Palestinian state.

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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 10:20 am
I wish mainstream journalists had done better reporting ten years ago. They seemed to go along with whatever the Bush administration said. But, in fact, there were no wmds in Iraq. The invasion did nothing for the war on terror -- just the opposite -- it inflamed more to join the Anti-American terror campaign.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 10:42 am
For many the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath were justified for assuring that Saddam Hussein did not have WMDs with which to harm the US, and allaying their paranoid delusions.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 10:49 am
@wandeljw,
The behaviour of theAmerican media in the runup to the war has been well documented. Our mainstream news outlets didn't turn a blind eye to the truth.

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The American media establishment, now lambasted by conservatives for its coverage of the failures of the occupation, was long under fire from liberals for the manner in which it reported the run-up to the war and its apparently uncritical acceptance of the presence of weapons of mass destruction.

"This is one of the great journalistic mass delusions of the era," said Michael Wolff, a media commentator and columnist for Vanity Fair.

In an examination of unsigned editorials for the Columbia Journalism Review, Chris Mooney looked at the US media's response to Colin Pow ell's presentation on WMD before the UN security council last year.

"The US papers all pronounced Powell right, though they couldn't possibly know for sure that he was. In short, they trusted him. And in so doing, they failed to bring even an elementary scepticism to the Bush case for war


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/may/27/media.iraq
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 21 Mar, 2013 01:02 pm
@wandeljw,
Are you any different than those stick their heads in the sand "reporters", JW?

Even in this little confession of yours, you are an apologist for those war criminals, those hideous terrorists.

There is no war on terror. There is the ongoing terrorism that the US has been engaged in since its inception. Just look at the history, JW. Real history doesn't lie. The crap you've been taught is nothing but the most successful propaganda the world has ever known.

It even works, on folks like you, when voluminous facts stare you in the face.

Noam Chomsky on Soviet vs. US Propaganda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l38wtfNojGY
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