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Information control, or, How to get to Orwellian governance

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 11:31 am
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Cronkite: Quest for Media Profits Hurts

By ANICK JESDANUN AP Internet Writer

February 09,2007 | NEW YORK -- Pressures by media companies to generate ever-greater profits are threatening the very freedom the nation was built upon, former CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite warned Thursday.

In a keynote address at Columbia University, Cronkite said today's journalists face greater challenges than those from his generation. No longer could journalists count on their employers to provide the necessary resources, he said, "to expose truths that powerful politicians and special interests often did not want exposed."

Instead, he said, "they face rounds and rounds of job cuts and cost cuts that require them to do ever more with ever less."

"In this information age and the very complicated world in which we live today, the need for high-quality reporting is greater than ever," he told journalism students and professionals at Columbia's Graduate School of Journalism. "It's not just the journalist's job at risk here. It's American democracy. It is freedom."
http://www.salon.com/wire/ap/archive.html?wire=D8N68JH80.html

yuppers
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 12:00 pm
blatham, Looking at the "big" picture of our democracy, it seems to this observer that both the media and our government has been responsible for diminishing our democracy.

When Bush said "war is our last option" against Iraq, our media didn't do their homework nor criticize this president while he chased out the UN inspectors that would have verified that Saddam had no WMDs just by waiting.

When Bush said "we don't do illegal wiretaps - we get court approval and we don't torture prisoners," he outright lied to everybody, and our media failed to follow up.

Bush continues to run our government like a kingdom, and ignores the cries of the American People to begin bringing our troops home. We have a congress that is too scared to take the right action to slow Bush's surge that'll only prolong this war, and get more of our troops killed - while spending two billions dollars every week. How many more failures will our government and media allow this kingdom?
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 12:03 pm
from the Neiman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard...


Quote:
February 07, 2007
Veteran Iowa editor wants outsiders, not people in the news industry, to examine why the press is reluctant to challenge authority at times when the country most needs a vigorous, questioning fourth estate.

By Gilbert Cranberg
[email protected]

As the war in Iraq nears its fourth anniversary, and with no end in sight, Americans are owed explanations. The Senate Intelligence Committee has promised a report on whether the Bush administration misrepresented intelligence to justify the war against Iraq. An explanation is due also for how the U.S. press helped pave the way for war. An independent and thorough inquiry of pre-war press coverage would be a public service. Not least of the beneficiaries would be the press itself, which could be helped to understand its behavior and avoid a replay.

Better a study by outsiders than by insiders. Besides, journalism groups show no appetite for self-examination. Nor would a study by the press about the press have credibility. Now and then a news organization has published a mea culpa about its Iraq coverage, but isolated admissions of error are no substitute for comprehensive study.
more at link
http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=00261
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 01:28 pm
blatham wrote:
Quote:
Cronkite: Quest for Media Profits Hurts

By ANICK JESDANUN AP Internet Writer

February 09,2007 | NEW YORK -- Pressures by media companies to generate ever-greater profits are threatening the very freedom the nation was built upon, former CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite warned Thursday.

In a keynote address at Columbia University, Cronkite said today's journalists face greater challenges than those from his generation. No longer could journalists count on their employers to provide the necessary resources, he said, "to expose truths that powerful politicians and special interests often did not want exposed."

Instead, he said, "they face rounds and rounds of job cuts and cost cuts that require them to do ever more with ever less."

"In this information age and the very complicated world in which we live today, the need for high-quality reporting is greater than ever," he told journalism students and professionals at Columbia's Graduate School of Journalism. "It's not just the journalist's job at risk here. It's American democracy. It is freedom."
http://www.salon.com/wire/ap/archive.html?wire=D8N68JH80.html

yuppers


blatham, I used to think Cronkite should run for president, and I actually used to believe him when he said, "and thats the way it is." Then I grew up and realized what a partisan hack he was, but I think he got worse as he got older.

He is an example of his perceived self importance having now grown into arrogance.

The only point I will concede is in a free society, the people will get what they want, and unfortunately although I hate to admit it, what people want in news nowadays is not always the best for themselves. But government control is far worse.

What people desire in news is merely a reflection of society, so instead of blaming the news or journalism, blame, or credit depending on your views, should be properly placed on society. Supply and demand does work in this industry as well.

What people want in news must be sliding downhill fast, such as what happened to Anna Nicole Smith. Personally, I don't think she warrants even the back page, not that I don't care about her as a tragedy, but I just think her life should not be very newsworthy.

Freedom without personal responsibility is doomed to fail, and that is why I am not overly optimistic about our culture in general.

However, you guys suggesting government insure balance in the media are hypocrits because you simply want your bias to rule to the exclusion of conservative viewpoints.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 03:15 pm
okie, There are points of agreement and disagreement. To place the responsibility to the consumer is not realistic; the media has the responsbility to provide news that is unbiased and factual - and current.

It's the same with consumers and their doctors; although the consumer must be deligent in how they select their physician, it's up to the doctor to provide the best care. We are not expected to keep up with all the latest medical advances - that's the responsibility of the doctor. If we think the doctor is not "up to date," we have the responsibility to either get a second opinion or find another doctor.

Same way with the media; they are responsible to provide us with factual and current information. If they don't, they have no business being in the media industry.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 03:16 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
First of all, Ican, you can't even keep your years and numbers straight...

You say that 'So what the hell, let's say there were 40 million people who voted Democrat in the last election.' The only problem with this is that the 300 million you are comparing it to was the money raised in 2004. So you're f*cking it up right off of the bat. The actual number of Dem voters was 59,028,109.

If you can't get your numbers right, don't bother posting.

ican711nm wrote:

By the way, I do recognize your argument tactic. I call it the maybe tactic. I first encountered its use in 1939 and throughout the early 1940s. It was used then [in denial by many of the future victims of the Nazis] to rationalize the behavior of the Nazis.

...
Cycloptichorn

US 2006 House Popular Votes
Summary of the November 7, 2006 United States House of Representatives election results

Party............................Popular Vote
Democratic ...................39,673,226
Republican Party.............34,748,277
Independents......................501,632
Others.............................1,305,803
Total..............................76,228,938

US 2006 Senate Popular Votes
Summary of the November 7, 2006 United States Senate election results

Party.............................Popular Vote
Democratic Party.........33,134,651
Republican Party............26,127,486
Independents.....................878,486
Libertarian Party.................600,991
Green Party.......................402,800
Others...............................408,335
Total..............................61,552,749


Sources: The Associated Press, Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Elections (unofficial)

I bet that the 527 contributions by both the Soros gang and the unions were an even greater percentage of the total contributions to the Democratic Party in 2006 than in 2004. I'll check it out.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 03:24 pm
Just so long as you realize that poor math doesn't make a good argument.

From here -

http://www.politicalmoneyline.com/cgi-win/irs_ef_527.exe?DoFn=&sYR=2006

The top 527 of 2006 cycle?

That would be the Republican Governors Association. By almost 2 to 1 they beat the nearest competitor.

It's Mellon-Scaife buying the election through his cronies. Right?

Cycloptichorn
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 03:47 pm
ican711nm wrote:
I bet that the 527 contributions by both the Soros gang and the unions were an even greater percentage of the total contributions to the Democratic Party in 2006 than in 2004. I'll check it out.


Unlikely.

Here are the top 10 individual contributors to 527s in the 2006 elections:

Code: 1 Bob PerryPerry Homes Houston, TX $9,750,000
2 Jerry PerenchioChartwell Partners Los Angeles, CA $5,000,000
3 George SorosSoros Fund Management New York, NY $3,542,500
4 Linda PritzkerSustainable World Corp/Linda Pritzker Houston, TX $2,101,000
5 John R HuntingJohn Hunting/Philanthropist Grand Rapids, MI $1,647,000
6 Peter LewisPeter B Lewis/Progressive Corp Cleveland, OH $1,624,375
7 Pat StrykerBohemian Companies Ft Collins, CO $1,609,293
8 Timothy GillGill Foundation Denver, CO $1,571,355
9 Jon L StrykerJohn Stryker Architecture Kalamazoo, MI $1,446,313
10 John TempletonTempleton Foundation Bryn Mawr, PA $1,297,079


- again according to the Center for Responsive Politcs.

The total money raised by the Democratic Party was $599,383,485, the money raised by the Republican Party was $707,470,812.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 03:50 pm
I decided to help you do your research, Ican.

http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/DonorDemographics.asp?cycle=2006

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 04:16 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Just so long as you realize that poor math doesn't make a good argument.

From here -

http://www.politicalmoneyline.com/cgi-win/irs_ef_527.exe?DoFn=&sYR=2006

The top 527 of 2006 cycle?

That would be the Republican Governors Association. By almost 2 to 1 they beat the nearest competitor.

1 . Republican Governors Association $42,428,671
2 . DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS ASSOCIATION $28,640,415


It's Mellon-Scaife buying the election through his cronies. Right?

Cycloptichorn

2006 Cycle Large Donors to Political Money Line's key 527 groups
1 . PERRY, BOB J $12,300,000
2 . Service Employees Int'l Union $10,239,703*
3 . Perenchio, Andrew Jerrold & Margaret $5,450,000
4 . Soros, George $4,067,500*
5 . American Fedn of St Cty & Municipal Empls $3,820,000*
6 . US Chamber of Commerce and other Chambers of Commerce $3,692,000
7 . Pritzker, Linda $3,346,000
8 . Lewis, Peter B $2,684,458*
9 . America Votes 2006 $2,395,000*
10 . NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSN $2,370,980*

TOTAL = $44,648,661

Total Soros gang plus unions* = $25,577,641
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 04:33 pm
Sure. You said -

Quote:

I bet that the 527 contributions by both the Soros gang and the unions were an even greater percentage of the total contributions to the Democratic Party in 2006 than in 2004. I'll check it out.


Total raised by Dem party - $599,383,485

Total raised by 'Soros gang plus unions* = $25,577,641'

So, they raised just over 4% of the total.

Now, you forgot to post the part where you admitted that you were incorrect.

Cycloptichorn
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 05:14 pm
Well, ican still has his unsourced quote to go by:

ican711nm wrote:
I posted my evidence. I obtained it from pages xii and xiii of "The Shadow Party" by Horowitz and Poe." They did not identify the source from which they obtained that quote.


That's so much more than mere numbers...
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 05:26 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Sure. You said -

Quote:

I bet that the 527 contributions by both the Soros gang and the unions were an even greater percentage of the total contributions to the Democratic Party in 2006 than in 2004. I'll check it out.


Total raised by Dem party - $599,383,485

Total raised by 'Soros gang plus unions* = $25,577,641'

So, they raised just over 4% of the total.

Now, you forgot to post the part where you admitted that you were incorrect.

Cycloptichorn

Laughing Context Laughing Context Laughing

The $25,577,641 was obtained from a list of the top ten individual individual and union 527 contributors. It was not a total list of individual and union 527 contributors.

The total given by those top ten was $44,648,661. So of the top ten, the Soros gang members and unions gave !00% x $25,577,641 / $44,648,661 = more than 57% of what the total the top ten gave.

Please give me a link to where Ican verify the total raised by the Dems in 2006 was $599,383,485.

By the way, if and when I discover my bet is a winner or is a loser, I'll say so.
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 05:32 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Please give me a link to where Ican verify the total raised by the Dems in 2006 was $599,383,485.



Quote:
Political Parties

Candidates aren't the only ones raising record amounts of cash -- the political parties collect hundreds of millions of dollars each election cycle. The parties may only raise "hard money," which is given by individuals and political action committees and is subject to federal contribution limits. Until November 2002, the parties also could raise unlimited "soft money" from corporations, labor unions and wealthy individuals.

Where does all that money come from? For the answers, view our money profiles for both major parties and for each of their main fundraising committees.


2005 - 2006 Totals

Democratic Party $599,383,485
Republican Party $707,470,812


http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/index.asp
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 05:47 pm
old europe wrote:
Well, ican still has his unsourced quote to go by:

ican711nm wrote:
I posted my evidence. I obtained it from pages xii and xiii of "The Shadow Party" by Horowitz and Poe." They did not identify the source from which they obtained that quote.


That's so much more than mere numbers...

Yes, it so much more than mere numbers.

At the time I posted that excerpt from Horowitz and Poe, I did not know the source from which they obtained Eli Pariser's December 9, 2004 quote to Democrats--"Now it's our party. We bought it, we own it"-- I had neglected to look at their "NOTES."

Later, sure enough, I found on page 247 that source is actually provided:

Sam Hananel, in the Associated Press December 10, 2004.

Sorry about that!
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old europe
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 06:05 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Later, sure enough, I found on page 247 that source is actually provided:

Sam Hananel, in the Associated Press December 10, 2004.

Sorry about that!



Thanks. I found the article via truthout.org:


Quote:
MoveOn to Democratic Party: 'We Own It'
By Sam Hananel
The Associated Press

Thrusday 09 December 2004

Washington - Liberal powerhouse MoveOn has a message for the "professional election losers" who run the Democratic Party: "We bought it, we own it, we're going to take it back."

A scathing e-mail from the head of MoveOn's political action committee to the group's supporters on Thursday targets outgoing Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe as a tool of corporate donors who alienated both traditional and progressive Democrats.

"For years, the party has been led by elite Washington insiders who are closer to corporate lobbyists than they are to the Democratic base," said the e-mail from MoveOn PAC's Eli Pariser. "But we can't afford four more years of leadership by a consulting class of professional election losers."

Under McAuliffe's leadership, the message said, the party coddled the same corporate donors that fund Republicans to bring in money at the expense of vision and integrity.

"In the last year, grass-roots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive," the message continued. "Now it's our party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back."

Pariser urged MoveOn supporters to help support a DNC chair with a bold vision to represent Democrats outside Washington. Democrats will vote at their February meeting in Washington on a successor to McAuliffe.

DNC spokesman Jano Cabrera declined to engage in a tit-for-tat with MoveOn, but praised McAuliffe's efforts.

"Call me crazy, but I think the fact that for the first time in party history we outraised the Republicans, and did so primarily through grass-roots fund raising is something to be proud of," Cabrera said.

Among those vying for the party chairmanship is former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, an early darling of MoveOn's cybernetwork of activists when he ran for the Democratic presidential nomination.



So, did Horowitz and Poe establish the context for the quote, and explain that the "we" in the statement stood for "grass-roots contributors like [MoveOn]"? Or did they omit that fact in order to score a point?
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 08:03 pm
Quote:



The Right-Wing Noise Machine

by Tom Tomorrow
February 7th, 2007 1:32 PM

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0706,tomorrow,75758,9.html

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 9 Feb, 2007 08:43 pm
It works pretty well, too! Look at all the bozos who still don't think about looking for the "truth." They find it at FOX News.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/1111cartoon.jpg
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 10 Feb, 2007 04:23 pm
old europe wrote:

...
So, did Horowitz and Poe establish the context for the quote, and explain that the "we" in the statement stood for "grass-roots contributors like [MoveOn]"? Or did they omit that fact in order to score a point?

Yes they explained who the "we" were. They listed and explained who were the "grass roots fund rais[ers]" and who owned them.

For example, they listed the "Shadow Party infra structure" on pages 181-182. and who owned it. Then on pages 193-194 they listed the "member organizations of the America Votes coalition, and explained them and who owned them.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 11 Feb, 2007 03:19 pm
JTT wrote:
Quote:
The Right-Wing Noise Machine

by Tom Tomorrow
February 7th, 2007 1:32 PM

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0706,tomorrow,75758,9.html


Laughing The left's griddle here again calling the conservative's pot greasy.

JTT, your post is more echo from the Left-Wing Noise Machine's output in their compulsive psychomimetric effort to misdirect attention away from their own loud and continuous storm of slanders and libels of conservatives.
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