Information control, or, How to get to Orwellian governance

Also, I can't help but notice that you think that this is a very real and dangerous global threat that we should all be scared of, but not so much of a threat to your way of life that you are willing to actually do anything about it yourself.

I know, I know, it's an old argument. But pardon me if I don't believe that you actually feel threatened. You don't, not really. Just politically. You certainly don't act in the way that people who truly feel that their lives are at stake act, who feel that their country is at stake.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Also, I can't help but notice that you think that this is a very real and dangerous global threat that we should all be scared of, but not so much of a threat to your way of life that you are willing to actually do anything about it yourself.

I know, I know, it's an old argument. But pardon me if I don't believe that you actually feel threatened. You don't, not really. Just politically. You certainly don't act in the way that people who truly feel that their lives are at stake act, who feel that their country is at stake.

Cycloptichorn

I feel "politically" threatened? Explain.

Frank Apisa wrote:

...the bottom line is that I don't think George Bush is the greatest threat to the world since Adolph Hitler. I think he is more of a threat...and I would have to go on record as saying that George Bush is the greatest threat to the world since at least as far back as Caligula. Except, of course, that Caligula appears to have been smarter.

This is what I was talking about when I said something like some opinions here on A2K are not only surprising, but shocking to say the least.

okie wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

...the bottom line is that I don't think George Bush is the greatest threat to the world since Adolph Hitler. I think he is more of a threat...and I would have to go on record as saying that George Bush is the greatest threat to the world since at least as far back as Caligula. Except, of course, that Caligula appears to have been smarter.

This is what I was talking about when I said something like some opinions here on A2K are not only surprising, but shocking to say the least.

I gotta be honest with you, Okie. I thought I was tempering my true feelings in that post.

The most awesome military establishment this tired planet has ever seen is currently in the hands of a moron. The people who pull the moron's strings are among the most frightening, hypocritical, dangerous people in history.

I fear and dread what America's nutcase right wing is doing to us much, much more than I fear the terrorists.

Don't get me wrong…I am not saying I do not fear the terrorists. Just that they do not hold the same threat to me as does this group of miscreants who have gained control of our country.

And further, don't get me wrong…I would not be surprised at all if the next terrorist attack on us were such as to make 9/11 look like a cake walk.

Sorry if that shocks you…but if conservative America…particularly the poor knee-jerk sycophants enabling the establishment got their collective heads out of its collective asses…they might also see the danger.



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The only way to fight terrorism is to fight terrorism. And the way you do that is by killing them before they kill us.

Ya see, here's the problem with guys like you and Boortz. No understanding of how the world works; you simplify problems into killing others before they can kill you. Idiotic approach to what is basically a civil and cultural and criminal problem, not a military problem; Al Qaeda is never going to be defeated by force of arms, ever. Anyone who thinks that it could has serious illusions about the nature of terrorism and asymmetrical warfare!

And look how great it's working out so far. Those who have been war cheerleaders have been consistently wrong about the whole thing, yet still act as if they have any credibility left. They don't, and there isn't any reason to believe a single prediction or prognostication they make.

Cycloptichorn

What you clearly haven't learned is that the terrorists do not respect what they perceive as weakness.

Ticomaya wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Also, I can't help but notice that you think that this is a very real and dangerous global threat that we should all be scared of, but not so much of a threat to your way of life that you are willing to actually do anything about it yourself.

I know, I know, it's an old argument. But pardon me if I don't believe that you actually feel threatened. You don't, not really. Just politically. You certainly don't act in the way that people who truly feel that their lives are at stake act, who feel that their country is at stake.

Cycloptichorn

I feel "politically" threatened? Explain.

Well, I mean, when you mention the 'threat' from Islaamic terrorism, you only mean it in a political way; that said 'threat' is expedient to getting the policies you like to see advanced, advanced.

I say this because you don't act as if you feel personally threatened at all, or as if you feel America is in real danger of attack. You don't advocate policies which could do something about said attack here at home (fighting wars abroad doesn't stop terrorism elsewhere - you're a fool if you think any differently). You don't think it is enough of a threat to you or your family to do any actual work yourself to do anything about it.

So, sorry if I think that the supposed 'threat' that we face from Islaamic terrorism is nothing more than bullsh*t posturing, at least on the part of those such as yourself who don't act threatened in the slightest. It hurts your credibility when your actions - both personal and advocated political actions - do nothing to address the problems you claim are major problems.

Cycloptichorn

Well I don't think that Blatham is perpetrator #1, or is even in the top ten for that matter.

okie wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

...the bottom line is that I don't think George Bush is the greatest threat to the world since Adolph Hitler. I think he is more of a threat...and I would have to go on record as saying that George Bush is the greatest threat to the world since at least as far back as Caligula. Except, of course, that Caligula appears to have been smarter.

This is what I was talking about when I said something like some opinions here on A2K are not only surprising, but shocking to say the least.

I gotta be honest with you, Okie. I thought I was tempering my true feelings in that post.

The most awesome military establishment this tired planet has ever seen is currently in the hands of a moron. The people who pull the moron's strings are among the most frightening, hypocritical, dangerous people in history.

I fear and dread what America's nutcase right wing is doing to us much, much more than I fear the terrorists.

Don't get me wrong…I am not saying I do not fear the terrorists. Just that they do not hold the same threat to me as does this group of miscreants who have gained control of our country.

And further, don't get me wrong…I would not be surprised at all if the next terrorist attack on us were such as to make 9/11 look like a cake walk.

Sorry if that shocks you…but if conservative America…particularly the poor knee-jerk sycophants enabling the establishment got their collective heads out of its collective asses…they might also see the danger.



frightening

No terrorist attacks since 9/11 ... remember?

A coroner investigating the death of a British soldier when US jets opened fire on his convoy in Iraq criticised the Ministry of Defence again today for failing to produce footage of the "friendly fire" incident.
"It is a matter of profound regret," Andrew Walker, the Oxfordshire assistant deputy coroner, said after being told that MoD officials were still trying to get US authorities to agree to the use of the tapes.

"I, just for my part, hope that those in authority recognise that at the heart of this inquest is a grieving family."

"I have been put in a position where I have no alternative," he told the relatives. "It saddens me greatly that members of the family have been put in this position."

Mr Walker had hoped to play the audio and video recordings to the court this morning after telling the MoD to do whatever it took to get permission.

"This is a simple matter, and I fail to understand why it is proving so difficult to resolve," he said yesterday.

But the MoD's representative told the hearing today it was still "not yet possible to resolve the issue regarding the admissibility and disclosure of the US classified material".

L/Cpl Hull's widow, Susan, said previously she had been "categorically told" that no recording existed. "It's disgusting ... we have waited four years," she said. "That this evidence has just come to light miraculously in the previous week means our time has been delayed again."

A source said the dialogue on the tapes was "incriminating", including the line: "Someone's going to jail for this." It is understood the MoD has known about the evidence for several years.

You criticize me for 'not having the stomach' to see something that I don't want done, done. I was against the Iraq war from the beginning.

But, what have you done, I mean Done, to 'see the fight through?' Nothing. That's why Conservatives love the Iraq war; they get to cheerlead without actually being required to do a single thing themselves.

I do have the stomach to see the job done; my job is to end the Iraq war, and I won't quit because of silly fearmongering by those such as yourself, who are afraid in theory only and face threats by demanding, what, exactly?

This is probably one of the dumbest things you've ever written:

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What you clearly haven't learned is that the terrorists do not respect what they perceive as weakness.

You don't have a clue what strength is, but let me give you a hint: it's not feeling terror when terrorists strike. It is denying them their primary weapon, which is fear. You and those like yourself argue the exact opposite: that we should be afraid. Well, I'm not.

Repeat after me, as many times as neccessary until you get it:

I am not afraid of terrorism! I will not make decisions out of fear![/color][/size]

Cycloptichorn

No, you didn't have the stomach to begin the process. I believe you would prefer to bury your head in the sand and hope terrorism just goes away.

What is this fascination of yours with whether I have enlisted or not? Have you not realized that the clear sign that a peacenik has lost the ability to effectively argue their point on this issue is when they continually parrot that unless you sign up with the armed forces you aren't entitled to an opinion on the matter?

Well, I am honest as well, when I say I trust George Bush infinitely more than Islamic terrorists, with whatever weapons, including nuclear. The fact is the United States has been a benevolent nation during my lifetime. People are beating the door down trying to get here from all over the world. If an Islamic terrorist had the military power that George Bush has command over, I venture to guess you would be far more scared than you are now, contrary to what you claim. Frankly, I think you've lost your marbles, to put it kindly.

In summary, I agree with Ticomaya wholeheartedly. I do not believe the liberal element understands the true cruelty that human nature is capable of, if power is in the wrong hands.

The Islamic terrorist movement is far more than a criminal problem. Also the thought that we can treat terrorists nice and they will ignore us is naivity at its maximum.

That is akin to believeing if we quit incarcerating criminals, they would leave law abiding citizens alone.

Frank, my apologies if I characterize you as a liberal, if you aren't. I haven't been able to get a good fix on your politics, to be honest, but it seemed you were liberal most of the time.

okie wrote:

Frank, my apologies if I characterize you as a liberal, if you aren't. I haven't been able to get a good fix on your politics, to be honest, but it seemed you were liberal most of the time.

Frank's not a liberal ... he just plays one on A2K.

Yes, quite true, I am the head looney liberal of a2k which puts me slightly left of Atilla the Hun compared to many/most of the right wing here.