Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

Picked up on the Fox News talking points quite nicely. Obviously someone is paying attention.

I especially like the "Islamo-fascist" part. It is, like, so vogue.

Foxfyre- All I am trying to do is to inform people like Advocate that they are not adding to an adult debate with statements like "Bush has an IQ of 80". Anyone who makes any kind of a controversial statement is REQUIRED to submit evidence.

These threads are not( I hope) venues for adolescent postings with not a shred of knowledge behind them!

Possum must be the exception to the rule.

Gustavratzenhofer- Would you prefer

MURDEROUS ISLAMIC FANATIC

instead of "Islamo-Fascist"

It is clear that you have never read the writings of the foremost US authority on Islam- Dr.Bernard Lewis. His writings are easily accessible on the Internet. Try them!!!

I'll pass.

I do provide links and pasted stuff when appropriate. If something has been in the news ad nauseam, this is unnecessary. BTW, unlike Bernard, I don't spam, misquote, and dwell on excrement. (I did not say that Bush has an IQ of 80, as reported by Bernard.)

Pissum Fartbubbles may well be the fellow that Woody Allen spoke of.

Here is an interesting piece. Dubya is getting a dose of his own words.


August 18, 2006 at 20:50:48

U.S District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor; A Dose of Reality for Dubya

by John Perry


http://www.opednews.com

The words of George W. Bush, April 20th, 2004, in Buffalo, New York:
"Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap - it requires - a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talkin' about chasin' down terrorists, we're talkin' about gettin' a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand - when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland because we value the Constitution."

When the Pathologically Lying Law Breaker-in-Chief uttered those words, his secret NSA surveillance program (you know, the illegal, unconstitutional one where they conduct wiretaps without warrants) had already been active for almost three years. But that was before the whole world knew about it, so Bush was perfectly happy to let us all go on thinking that he actually was adhering to his oath of office and upholding the Constitution, when actually he had long since relegated that most sacred of American documents to toilet paper status.

Yesterday in Detroit, Dubya's absolute power grab got a much deserved and extremely important Constitutional smack down from U.S District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor.

In her 43 page decision, Taylor wrote "It was never the intent of the framers to give the president such unfettered control." She went on to say "There are no hereditary kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution, so all 'inherent powers' must derive from that Constitution."

She was essentially just reiterating exactly what Bush said back in April 2004, when he talked about getting warrants for surveillance, even when "chasin' down terrorists," because "we value the Constitution."

The difference, of course, is that the Judge wasn't lying.

And here's a shocker: Taylor is now being attacked by the Bush crowd as a partisan activist judge with an axe to grind. Rupert Murdoch's fascist fish wrap, the New York Post, in an editorial today titled "Jihad's Courtroom Win", called Taylor's decision an "overtly political ruling by a left-wing Michigan federal jurist". They also felt it necessary to go back almost 30 years to remind us that Taylor was "appointed by (who else?) Jimmy Carter."

As if the neocon chicken hawks running our country into the ground would never consider acting in a self-serving partisan manner themselves. Please. Self-serving partisanship is the only course these fortunate sons have ever known.

In response to the decision, Bush said today "I strongly disagree with that decision, strongly disagree", adding also that opponents of his Constitution-shredding policy "do not understand the nature of the world in which we live."

On the contrary, sir, we understand quite well.

We understand that you do not uphold the Constitution of the United States by systematically undermining it in an effort to achieve absolute power.

We understand, as Thom Hartmann so eloquently reminded his listeners this afternoon, that if James Madison didn't need to ignore the Constitution when the British invaded Washington and set fire to the White House in 1812, you don't need to ignore it to effectively protect America from terrorism today.

We understand that the only human success you will realize with the relentless, indiscriminate killing of innocent people, in the name of the unprecedented criminal fraud that is your "war on terror", is the success of convincing millions more to hate America.

We understand that, although your entire presidency can be accurately described as one massive, disingenuous statement, your boot licking Attorney General's claim that your illegal surveillance program "provides the United States with the early-warning system we so desperately needed on September 10th" (a claim with which you no doubt concur) is the perhaps the height or your administration's hypocrisy, given the fact that you ignored dozens of pre-9/11 warnings of a terrorist attack on America.

We understand that terrorism is indeed a very real worldwide threat (a threat growing by leaps and bounds thanks to you), but also that as long as it doesn't threaten you or anyone you care about, you don't care, as long as you have an excuse to continue and benefit from your bogus war.

We understand that the reason Osama bin Laden is still a free man five years after 9/11 is that you need a boogeyman to help you maintain the climate of fear that sustains your fraudulent presidency, and he needs a boogeyman to help him boost recruitment for his jihad. You might as well be business partners.

We also understand that like you and your neocon handlers need Osama, you needed 9/11, which is why you either let it happen, or you made it happen.

America is waking up, Mr. "President". You should be very concerned, not just for your job, but also for your freedom.

Here's to swift justice.

Advocate, we've been getting along pretty well lately, but I've got to say that the garbage you just posted here is pure



There are at least two or three dozen other active threads in which this would be appreciated. Surely you can find something more honest, constructive, and accurate to post here.

Don't be so hard on yourself Bernard. Oh yes, did I mention that I am not what you call left wing.

Fox, gee, I am sorry that you are displeased with the piece. I noticed that you failed to refute anything in it. Maybe that is because it is unassailable.

It is particularly interesting in that it throws back at Bush his own words; i.e., a wiretap requires a warrant. I guess he was flat-out lying to the public (again). It also, with emphasis, states that Bush is not a monarch -- he is subject to the law like everyone else.

I am sorry that this truth is a bit hard to swallow.

I am happy to see that Advocate is finally using something other than his/ her? deficient reasoning to back his? her? claims.

Let us examine what he? she? posted.

First of all, we must establish the source. Anyone who knows anything about Historiography is aware that the bias(or lack of it) of a source must be established even before it is analyzed.

What is Advocate's source?


WEB RESULTS
OpEdNews.Com Progressive, Tough Liberal News and Opinion Home Page
... It's a great source of news and smart, tough Op-Eds I use it all the time to ... Search. Advertising Info. Article Archives. Writers Archives "OpEdNews is one ...


NOTE THAT THE INTERNET DESCRIBES OPED NEWS AS


"Progressive, Tough LIBERAL"

I am certain that the source can be classified as BIASED.

Now, let us examine the facts:

And the facts are . . .

Bernard, we are waiting.

Advocate's ADMITTEDLY LIBERAL SOURCE SAID: My comments in CAPS!!!

American documents to toilet paper status.

Yesterday in Detroit, Dubya's absolute power grab got a much deserved and extremely important Constitutional smack down from U.S District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor.

( I DO HOPE THAT ADVOCATE KNOWS WHAT A DISTRICT COURT JUDGE IS. A US DISTRICT COURT JUDGE IS TWO RUNGS BELOW AUTHORITATIVE. THIS JUDGEMENT FROM AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN FORMER CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST FROM DETROIT WHO WAS MARRIED TO JOHN DIGGS-ONE OF THE MOST LIBERAL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, WILL NOT STAND. THIS OPINION WILL BE APPEALED TO THE APPEALATE COURT WHICH WILL SMACK TAYLOR DOWN!!!)

In her 43 page decision, Taylor wrote "It was never the intent of the framers to give the president such unfettered control." She went on to say "There are no hereditary kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution, so all 'inherent powers' must derive from that Constitution."

(THE MORONIC REFERENCE TO THE FRAMERS IS RIDICULOUS. HACKS LIKE TAYLOR AVOID REFERRING TO THE FRAMERS. TAYLOR APPARENTLY NEVER READ OF THE GREATEST AMERICAN PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME, ABRAHAM LINCOLN WHO SAID:

"I CONCEIVE THAT I MAY IN AN EMERGENCY DO THINGS ON MILITARY GROUNDS WHICH CANNOT CONSTITUTIONALLY BE DONE BY CONGRESS")


She was essentially just reiterating exactly what Bush said back in April 2004, when he talked about getting warrants for surveillance, even when "chasin' down terrorists," because "we value the Constitution."

The difference, of course, is that the Judge wasn't lying.

And here's a shocker: Taylor is now being attacked by the Bush crowd as a partisan activist judge with an axe to grind. Rupert Murdoch's fascist fish wrap, the New York Post, in an editorial today titled "Jihad's Courtroom Win", called Taylor's decision an "overtly political ruling by a left-wing Michigan federal jurist". They also felt it necessary to go back almost 30 years to remind us that Taylor was "appointed by (who else?) Jimmy Carter."

As if the neocon chicken hawks running our country into the ground would never consider acting in a self-serving partisan manner themselves. Please. Self-serving partisanship is the only course these fortunate sons have ever known.

In response to the decision, Bush said today "I strongly disagree with that decision, strongly disagree", adding also that opponents of his Constitution-shredding policy "do not understand the nature of the world in which we live."

On the contrary, sir, we understand quite well.

We understand that you do not uphold the Constitution of the United States by systematically undermining it in an effort to achieve absolute power.

(WE WILL LEAVE THAT TO AN APPEALATE COURT TO JUDGE NOT A LEFT WING MINOR DISTRICT COURT JUDGE WHO, I AM SURE, DID NOT GRADUATE FROM HARVARD OR YALE LAW SCHOOLS AND CONSEQUENTLY REALLY KNOWS LITTLE LAW)


We understand, as Thom Hartmann so eloquently reminded his listeners this afternoon, that if James Madison didn't need to ignore the Constitution when the British invaded Washington and set fire to the White House in 1812, you don't need to ignore it to effectively protect America from terrorism today.

We understand that the only human success you will realize with the relentless, indiscriminate killing of innocent people, in the name of the unprecedented criminal fraud that is your "war on terror", is the success of convincing millions more to hate America.

(YES, PRESIDENT BUSH CONVINCED THE PEOPLE WHO DESTROYED THE WTC TO HATE AMERICA!!!- WHAT A CROCK)


We understand that, although your entire presidency can be accurately described as one massive, disingenuous statement, your boot licking Attorney General's claim that your illegal surveillance program "provides the United States with the early-warning system we so desperately needed on September 10th" (a claim with which you no doubt concur) is the perhaps the height or your administration's hypocrisy, given the fact that you ignored dozens of pre-9/11 warnings of a terrorist attack on America.

( PRESIDENT BUSH IGNORED WARNINGS OF A TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICA? I NOTE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE GIVEN. THE TRUTH IS THAT THE CIA GAVE A PRESIDENT WARNINGS THAT THE USA MIGHT BE ATTACKED BY MIDDLE EASTERN TERRORISTS USING AIRPLANES.
THAT PRESIDENT WAS BILL CLINTON)


We understand that terrorism is indeed a very real worldwide threat (a threat growing by leaps and bounds thanks to you), but also that as long as it doesn't threaten you or anyone you care about, you don't care, as long as you have an excuse to continue and benefit from your bogus war.

( IS THIS A CHILD WRITING? IT SOUNDS LIKE IT. THERE ARE MANY IDIOTIC STATEMENTS AND NO PROOF)

We understand that the reason Osama bin Laden is still a free man five years after 9/11 is that you need a boogeyman to help you maintain the climate of fear that sustains your fraudulent presidency, and he needs a boogeyman to help him boost recruitment for his jihad. You might as well be business partners.

We also understand that like you and your neocon handlers need Osama, you needed 9/11, which is why you either let it happen, or you made it happen.

America is waking up, Mr. "President". You should be very concerned, not just for your job, but also for your freedom.

Here's to swift justice.
end of quote
And here is a much more reasoned approach--







Spying to continue pending appeal by Justic Department





Dan Eggen and Dafna Linzer
Washington Post
August 18, 2006

A federal judge in Detroit ruled Thursday that the National Security Agency's warrantless surveillance program is unconstitutional, delivering the first decision that the Bush administration's effort to monitor communications without court oversight runs afoul of the Bill of Rights and federal law.

U.S. District Court Judge Anna Diggs Taylor ordered a halt to the wiretap program, secretly authorized by Bush in 2001, but both sides in the lawsuit agreed to delay that action while the Justice Department appeals her decision.

Legal scholars said Taylor's decision is likely to receive heavy scrutiny from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit in Cincinnati, and some criticized her ruling as poorly reasoned.

Ruling in a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union and other advocacy groups in the Eastern District of Michigan, Taylor said that the NSA wiretapping program, aimed at communications by potential terrorists, violates privacy and free speech rights and the constitutional separation of powers between the three branches of government. She also found that the wiretaps violate the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the 1978 law enacted to provide judicial oversight of clandestine surveillance within the United States.

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"It was never the intent of the framers to give the president such unfettered control, particularly where his actions blatantly disregard the parameters clearly enumerated in the Bill of Rights," Taylor wrote in her 43-page opinion. "There are no hereditary Kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution. So all 'inherent powers' must derive from that Constitution."

The ruling is the latest courtroom setback for the Bush administration's controversial antiterrorism and detention policies, which have frequently relied on broad assertions of presidential power. In a landmark case in June, the Supreme Court rejected Bush's claims of executive power, ruling 5-3 that special military trials for alleged terrorists were not authorized under federal law and ran afoul of the Geneva Conventions.

The decision could complicate efforts by the White House and Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., to win approval for a bill that would allow, but not require, Bush to submit the NSA program to a secret court for legal review.

The eavesdropping program, revealed in news reports in December 2005, allows the NSA to intercept telephone calls and e-mails between the United States and overseas without court approval in cases where the government suspects one party of links to terrorism.

The NSA refused to discuss Taylor's ruling or whether it had suspended any surveillance activities. The office of John Negroponte, Bush's director for national intelligence, also declined to comment.

Several dozen court lawsuits have been filed around the country challenging the program's legality, but Thursday's ruling marked the first time that a judge had ruled it unconstitutional. Experts in national security law argued, however, that Taylor offered meager support for her findings on separation of powers and other key issues.

"Regardless of what your position is on the merits of the issue, there's no question that it's a poorly reasoned decision," said Bobby Chesney, a national security law specialist at Wake Forest University who takes a moderate stance on the legal debate over the NSA program. "The opinion kind of reads like an outline of possible grounds to strike down the program, without analysis to fill it in."

White House spokesman Tony Snow said the Bush administration "couldn't disagree more with this ruling," calling it "carefully administered."


end of quote


THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THIS PROGRAM WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT RULES ON IT. THAT MAY NOT BE UNTIL JUNE 2007.

IF THE RULING ON THIS CASE IS ANYTHING LIKE THE RULING ON GITMO, IT WILL MEAN THAT THE LEFT IS DEFEATED AGAIN..THE USSC INVITED PRESIDENT BUSH AND HIS STAFF TO SET UP PROCEDURES FOR TRYING PRISONERS AT GITMO.

Advocate should not hold his? her?: breathe until June 2007!!!
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wikipedia: Prescott BushSome records in the National Archives, including the Harriman papers, document the continued relationship of Brown Brothers Harriman with Thyssen and some of his German investments up until his 1951 death.[4] Investigator John Loftus has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averill Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany." Two former slave laborers from Poland have filed suit in London against the government of the United States and the heirs of Prescott Bush in the amount of $40 billion. A class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. in 2001 was dismissed.[5]

(For more information on the Bush family and the arms industry, see Samuel P. Bush.)

Duh. Prescott Bush wouldn't have gotten busted by Congress for trading with the enemy unless there was a declared war. Obviously P. Bush was still doing business with the Nazi's after Pearl Harbor. You really should do some research on the man. He was quite interesting. P. Bush was a lackey of Avril Harriman (look him up, too) who owned a German shipping line. They were heavily involved in handgun sales to both the Nazi's and Communists, against the wishes of the struggling Weimar republic.

The Bush family has never conducted legal business. Refer to my post - several pages back - where it is described in detail what each family member was/is doing. None of it is legal. Here is just a small sampling. You can do your own wikipedia search as well on Bushie's other illustrious siblings and relatives.

From wikipedia:

Marvin Pierce Bush (born October 22, 1956) is the youngest son of George H. W. Bush and Barbara Pierce, and brother of George W., John (Jeb), Neil and Dorothy. He is named for his maternal grandfather. He and wife Margaret have two children: a daughter, Marshall, and a son, Walker.

Marvin graduated from Woodberry Forest School in 1975, and also holds a B.S. from the University of Virginia. He spent most summers and holidays at the sprawling family estate, the Bush Compound. He was a director of the Sterling, Virginia company Securacom, also known as Stratesec, from 1993 until fiscal year 2000. The Securacom/Stratesec company was publicly traded and backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corporation.

In 1996 Marvin Bush had 53,000 shares in the company's stock he bought at 52 cents a share. In 1997 the stock sold for $8.50 a share. Marvin Bush was no longer listed as a shareholder by the end of 2000. In 2003 Marvin Bush's babysitter reportedly ran herself over with her own car in the Bush family driveway. It took the Washington Post almost a week to publish the story.
Currently, Marvin Bush is a Co-Founder and Managing Partner at the investment firm Winston Capital Management, located in McLean, VA. Mr. Bush has portfolio manager duties at Winston.

Marvin Bush is a former director of HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc (HCC), and is currently listed as an advisor to the board of directors [1]. HCC is a publicly traded insurance company on the New York Stock Exchange.

With his father being a former one-term president, his brother George W. a two-term president, and his brother Jeb a governor, there is speculation that Marvin Bush will also go into politics. Over the past decade, Marvin has engaged in a multitude of campaign and fundraising events. His brothers George and Jeb both positioned themselves as businessmen prior to going into politics.

Securacom had a contract to provide security to the World Trade Center until the day it came down. Securacom also provided security services to Dulles airport. I smell collusion here. Of course, it's just coincidence that a Bush was in charge of security at the WTC the day it came down. No possible connection whatsoever [edit]
References
^ http://www.hcch.com/content/directors_and_officers/bod/hcc_bod_frameset.htm

I am very much afraid that Pacelbal has a reading deficiency. There are certain words he apparently does not understand. Note the article below which talks about George W. Bush's GRANDFATHER--

Bush
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Prescott Sheldon Bush
Senator (Class 3)
Connecticut
Term of office:
November 4, 1953?-
January 2, 1963
Political party: Republican
Preceded by: William A. Purtell
Succeeded by: Abraham A. Ribicoff
Born: May 15, 1895
Columbus, Ohio
Died: October 8, 1972
New York City
Spouse: Dorothy Walker Bush
Prescott Sheldon Bush (May 15, 1895 ?- October 8, 1972) was a United States Senator from Connecticut and a Wall Street executive banker with Brown Brothers Harriman. He is the father of former president George H.W. Bush and the grandfather of current President George W. Bush.

Contents [hide]
1 Early life
1.1 Military service
2 Business career
3 Political career
4 War seizures controversy
5 Writings
6 References
7 Further reading
8 External links



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Early life
Bush was born in Columbus, Ohio to Flora Sheldon and Samuel Prescott Bush, a railroad executive, and later, steel company president and during World War I, a federal government official in charge of coordination and assistance to major weapons contractors.

Bush attended the Douglas School in Columbus and then St. George's School in Newport, Rhode Island from 1908 to 1913. In 1913, he enrolled at Yale University, starting a family tradition of higher education, as his son, George H.W. Bush, his grandson, George W. Bush, as well as his great-granddaughter Barbara are all Yale alumni. Prescott Bush was admitted to the Zeta Psi fraternity while at Yale, though two of his sons and grandson would opt for Delta Kappa Epsilon. All four Bushes, however, would be members of the Skull and Bones secret society (along with several Walkers), and Bush has long been implicated in the society's alleged theft of the skull of Native American leader Geronimo, when three Bonesmen were stationed at Fort Sill.[1] Some historians, and Cecil Adams, regard this claim as false.

Prescott Bush played varsity golf, football, and baseball, and was president of the Yale Glee Club, and, in fact, was regarded as the best close-harmony man in the class of 1917. His strong devotion to singing at Yale became another of his passions, as evidenced by his founding of the Yale Glee Club Associates, an alumni group, in 1937.

He maintained homes in Long Island, New York and Greenwich, Connecticut; the family compound at Kennebunkport, Maine; a 10,000 acre (40 km²) plantation in South Carolina; and an island retreat in Florida.


Military service
After graduation, Prescott Bush served as a field artillery captain with the American Expeditionary Forces (1917-1919) during World War I. He received intelligence training at Verdun, France, and was briefly assigned to a staff of French officers. Alternating between intelligence and artillery, Captain Bush came under fire in the Meuse-Argonne offensive. Controversially, Prescott Bush wrote home about receiving medals for heroic exploits. His letters were later published in Columbus newspapers, but were retracted a few weeks later when it was revealed that he, in fact, had not received such medals. The retraction was made in a cable in which Prescott Bush stated that his earlier letter had been written "in a spirit of fun" and was not intended for publication.

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Business career
After his discharge in 1919, Prescott Bush went to work for the Simmons Hardware Company in St. Louis, Missouri.

On August 6, 1921, in Kennebunkport, Maine, he wed Dorothy Walker, the daughter of George Herbert Walker (who would be the namesake of Prescott Bush's second son, George Herbert Walker Bush). They would have four other children: Prescott Bush, Jr., Jonathan Bush, William H.T. Bush, and Nancy Bush.

Among those attending the wedding ceremony were Isabel Stillman Rockefeller (daughter of Percy Rockefeller), Hope Lincoln, Mary Keck, Elizabeth Trotter, Martha Pittman, Ruth Lionberger, Nancy Walker, George Herbert Walker, Knight Wooley, Frank Shephard, John Shepley, Richard Bentley, Henry Isham, William Potter Wear, and Henry Fenimore Cooper.

The Bushes moved to Columbus, Ohio, in 1923, where Prescott Bush went to work for the Hupp Products Company, where his business efforts generally failed. He left in November, 1923 to become president of sales for the Stedman Products company of South Braintree, Massachusetts. In 1925, he joined the United States Rubber Company of New York City as manager of the foreign division, and moved to Greenwich, Connecticut.

From 1944 to 1956, Bush was a member of the Yale Corporation, the principal governing body of Yale University. Bush was on the board of directors of CBS, having been introduced to chairman William Paley around 1932 by his close friend and colleague Averell Harriman, who became a major Democratic party power-broker.

[edit]
Political career
Bush was a typical New England Republican of his time; as a former banker, he was a pro-business conservative, but held many positions today considered socially moderate. Conservatives distrusted and at times openly opposed him, a pattern that continued with his son.

Bush was involved with the American Birth Control League as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947. Bush was also an early supporter of the United Negro College Fund, serving as chairman of the Connecticut branch in 1951.

From 1947 to 1950 he served as Connecticut Republican finance chairman, and was the Republican candidate for the United States Senate in 1950. The ties with Planned Parenthood hurt him in heavily Catholic Connecticut, and were the basis of a last-minute smear campaign in churches by Bush's opponents; the family vigorously denied the connection, but Bush lost to Democrat William Benton by only 1,000 votes.

In 1952 he was elected to the United States Senate, defeating Abraham Ribicoff for the vacant seat which was caused by the death of James O'Brien McMahon. A staunch supporter of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Prescott Bush served until January, 1963. He was a key ally for the passage of Eisenhower's Interstate Highway System.[1], and during his tenure supported the Polaris submarine project (ships which were built by Electric Boat Corporation in Groton, Connecticut), civil rights legislation, and the establishment of the Peace Corps.[2]

Bush's moderate politics became more complicated in time. In terms of issues he generally agreed with New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller, but personally disliked the man, despite the close relationship his father Samuel P. Bush had with the Rockefeller family. When Rockefeller divorced his first wife and remarried to a woman about twenty years his junior with whom he had been having an adulterous relationship while married to his first wife, a scandal that hurt his campaign for the 1964 Republican nomination for President, Bush denounced Rockefeller for his behavior[2]. Bush attended the Republican convention with the intent of backing the moderate Pennsylvania Governor William Scranton[3], although his son George, then running for the Senate from Texas, was a confirmed delegate for conservative Senator Barry M. Goldwater of Arizona. George had read Goldwater's book the The Conscience of a Conservative, after Prescott had recommended it. George Bush also disliked Rockefeller and wrote in a letter later published in his book All the Best that he found "Rockefeller's brand of liberalism" unacceptable and that "under no circumstances will Texas take Nelson Rockefeller".

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War seizures controversy
Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen, who had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but who by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler. Dealing with Nazi Germany wasn't illegal when Hitler declared war on the US, but, six days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City.

The Harriman business interests seized under the act in October and November 1942 included:

Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman)
Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
Silesian-American Corporation (this company was partially owned by German entity; during the war the Germans tried to take the full control of Silesian-American. In response to that, American government seized German owned minority shares in the company, leaving the U.S. partners to carry on the business.)
The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward. UBC was dissolved in 1951. Bush's interest in UBC consisted of one share. For it, he was reimbursed $1,500,000. These assets were later used to launch Bush family investments in the Texas energy industry. This presupposes that Union Banking Corporation was worth $4 billion, of which almost all would have been paid to the Harrimans. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html by Cecil Adams addresses this claim with some skepticism.

Toby Rogers has claimed that Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) make him complicit with the mining operations in Poland which used slave labor out of Oswiecim, where the Auschwitz concentration camp was later constructed. Allegations that Prescott Bush profited from slave labor or the Auschwitz concentration camp remain unsubstantiated.

There are unsubstantiated rumors concerning Prescott Bush's associations with the Nazi party. The Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated." [2] The rumors began with extreme right-wing attacks on George H.W. Bush during his 1980 presidential run and were renewed during his 1988 run.

The New York Herald-Tribune referred to the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, as "Hitler's Angel" and mentioned Bush only as an employee of the investment banking firm Thyssen used in the USA. The label was ironic, since by the time the Tribune article appeared, Hitler had turned on Thyssen and imprisoned him. Reportedly, however, there has been a determined effort by Canadian bloggers, apparently connected with Lyndon LaRouche, to circulate reports that Bush himself was known as "Hitler's Angel".

Some records in the National Archives, including the Harriman papers, document the continued relationship of Brown Brothers Harriman with Thyssen and some of his German investments up until his 1951 death.[4] Investigator John Loftus has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averill Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany." Two former slave laborers from Poland have filed suit in London against the government of the United States and the heirs of Prescott Bush in the amount of $40 billion. A class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. in 2001 was dismissed.

END OF QUOTE.

The words pacelbul obviously does not understand are UNSUBSTANTIATED---CHARGES ARE UNTENABLE AND POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.

Can some one help this poor fellow???

Of course Prescott Bush had ties with the Nazi's. How do you think he made his millions? By being honest? An honest politician is rather an oxymoron isn't it? Avril Harriman and Prescott Bush were partners in crime.


You think the Bush's are an illustrious family? Think what silliness you like, but the proof is there: about Prescott's ties with German death camps, Neil's (Georgie's brother) savings & loan scandals that cost taxpayers millions, and Marvin (Georgie's brother also) who was in charge of security at the WTC up until the day they went down. You want to talk about his uncle, Jonathan? See the thread The Bush Family Saga.

And please stop sending such long posts. You've been asked by other posters before to cease and desist, but you continue with your automated responses. I don't read them. Or anything you write. Sorry.

Now, Pachelbil, don't get huffy- You obviously don't know very much about the President's grandfather. Here are the facts--

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I am very much afraid that Pacelbal has a reading deficiency. There are certain words he apparently does not understand. Note the article below which talks about George W. Bush's GRANDFATHER--

Bush
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Prescott Sheldon Bush
Senator (Class 3)
Connecticut
Term of office:
November 4, 1953?-
January 2, 1963
Political party: Republican
Preceded by: William A. Purtell
Succeeded by: Abraham A. Ribicoff
Born: May 15, 1895
Columbus, Ohio
Died: October 8, 1972
New York City
Spouse: Dorothy Walker Bush
Prescott Sheldon Bush (May 15, 1895 ?- October 8, 1972) was a United States Senator from Connecticut and a Wall Street executive banker with Brown Brothers Harriman. He is the father of former president George H.W. Bush and the grandfather of current President George W. Bush.

Contents [hide]
1 Early life
1.1 Military service
2 Business career
3 Political career
4 War seizures controversy
5 Writings
6 References
7 Further reading
8 External links



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Early life
Bush was born in Columbus, Ohio to Flora Sheldon and Samuel Prescott Bush, a railroad executive, and later, steel company president and during World War I, a federal government official in charge of coordination and assistance to major weapons contractors.

Bush attended the Douglas School in Columbus and then St. George's School in Newport, Rhode Island from 1908 to 1913. In 1913, he enrolled at Yale University, starting a family tradition of higher education, as his son, George H.W. Bush, his grandson, George W. Bush, as well as his great-granddaughter Barbara are all Yale alumni. Prescott Bush was admitted to the Zeta Psi fraternity while at Yale, though two of his sons and grandson would opt for Delta Kappa Epsilon. All four Bushes, however, would be members of the Skull and Bones secret society (along with several Walkers), and Bush has long been implicated in the society's alleged theft of the skull of Native American leader Geronimo, when three Bonesmen were stationed at Fort Sill.[1] Some historians, and Cecil Adams, regard this claim as false.

Prescott Bush played varsity golf, football, and baseball, and was president of the Yale Glee Club, and, in fact, was regarded as the best close-harmony man in the class of 1917. His strong devotion to singing at Yale became another of his passions, as evidenced by his founding of the Yale Glee Club Associates, an alumni group, in 1937.

He maintained homes in Long Island, New York and Greenwich, Connecticut; the family compound at Kennebunkport, Maine; a 10,000 acre (40 km²) plantation in South Carolina; and an island retreat in Florida.


Military service
After graduation, Prescott Bush served as a field artillery captain with the American Expeditionary Forces (1917-1919) during World War I. He received intelligence training at Verdun, France, and was briefly assigned to a staff of French officers. Alternating between intelligence and artillery, Captain Bush came under fire in the Meuse-Argonne offensive. Controversially, Prescott Bush wrote home about receiving medals for heroic exploits. His letters were later published in Columbus newspapers, but were retracted a few weeks later when it was revealed that he, in fact, had not received such medals. The retraction was made in a cable in which Prescott Bush stated that his earlier letter had been written "in a spirit of fun" and was not intended for publication.

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Business career
After his discharge in 1919, Prescott Bush went to work for the Simmons Hardware Company in St. Louis, Missouri.

On August 6, 1921, in Kennebunkport, Maine, he wed Dorothy Walker, the daughter of George Herbert Walker (who would be the namesake of Prescott Bush's second son, George Herbert Walker Bush). They would have four other children: Prescott Bush, Jr., Jonathan Bush, William H.T. Bush, and Nancy Bush.

Among those attending the wedding ceremony were Isabel Stillman Rockefeller (daughter of Percy Rockefeller), Hope Lincoln, Mary Keck, Elizabeth Trotter, Martha Pittman, Ruth Lionberger, Nancy Walker, George Herbert Walker, Knight Wooley, Frank Shephard, John Shepley, Richard Bentley, Henry Isham, William Potter Wear, and Henry Fenimore Cooper.

The Bushes moved to Columbus, Ohio, in 1923, where Prescott Bush went to work for the Hupp Products Company, where his business efforts generally failed. He left in November, 1923 to become president of sales for the Stedman Products company of South Braintree, Massachusetts. In 1925, he joined the United States Rubber Company of New York City as manager of the foreign division, and moved to Greenwich, Connecticut.

From 1944 to 1956, Bush was a member of the Yale Corporation, the principal governing body of Yale University. Bush was on the board of directors of CBS, having been introduced to chairman William Paley around 1932 by his close friend and colleague Averell Harriman, who became a major Democratic party power-broker.

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Political career
Bush was a typical New England Republican of his time; as a former banker, he was a pro-business conservative, but held many positions today considered socially moderate. Conservatives distrusted and at times openly opposed him, a pattern that continued with his son.

Bush was involved with the American Birth Control League as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947. Bush was also an early supporter of the United Negro College Fund, serving as chairman of the Connecticut branch in 1951.

From 1947 to 1950 he served as Connecticut Republican finance chairman, and was the Republican candidate for the United States Senate in 1950. The ties with Planned Parenthood hurt him in heavily Catholic Connecticut, and were the basis of a last-minute smear campaign in churches by Bush's opponents; the family vigorously denied the connection, but Bush lost to Democrat William Benton by only 1,000 votes.

In 1952 he was elected to the United States Senate, defeating Abraham Ribicoff for the vacant seat which was caused by the death of James O'Brien McMahon. A staunch supporter of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Prescott Bush served until January, 1963. He was a key ally for the passage of Eisenhower's Interstate Highway System.[1], and during his tenure supported the Polaris submarine project (ships which were built by Electric Boat Corporation in Groton, Connecticut), civil rights legislation, and the establishment of the Peace Corps.[2]

Bush's moderate politics became more complicated in time. In terms of issues he generally agreed with New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller, but personally disliked the man, despite the close relationship his father Samuel P. Bush had with the Rockefeller family. When Rockefeller divorced his first wife and remarried to a woman about twenty years his junior with whom he had been having an adulterous relationship while married to his first wife, a scandal that hurt his campaign for the 1964 Republican nomination for President, Bush denounced Rockefeller for his behavior[2]. Bush attended the Republican convention with the intent of backing the moderate Pennsylvania Governor William Scranton[3], although his son George, then running for the Senate from Texas, was a confirmed delegate for conservative Senator Barry M. Goldwater of Arizona. George had read Goldwater's book the The Conscience of a Conservative, after Prescott had recommended it. George Bush also disliked Rockefeller and wrote in a letter later published in his book All the Best that he found "Rockefeller's brand of liberalism" unacceptable and that "under no circumstances will Texas take Nelson Rockefeller".

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War seizures controversy
Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen, who had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but who by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler. Dealing with Nazi Germany wasn't illegal when Hitler declared war on the US, but, six days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City.

The Harriman business interests seized under the act in October and November 1942 included:

Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman)
Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
Silesian-American Corporation (this company was partially owned by German entity; during the war the Germans tried to take the full control of Silesian-American. In response to that, American government seized German owned minority shares in the company, leaving the U.S. partners to carry on the business.)
The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward. UBC was dissolved in 1951. Bush's interest in UBC consisted of one share. For it, he was reimbursed $1,500,000. These assets were later used to launch Bush family investments in the Texas energy industry. This presupposes that Union Banking Corporation was worth $4 billion, of which almost all would have been paid to the Harrimans. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030214.html by Cecil Adams addresses this claim with some skepticism.

Toby Rogers has claimed that Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) make him complicit with the mining operations in Poland which used slave labor out of Oswiecim, where the Auschwitz concentration camp was later constructed. Allegations that Prescott Bush profited from slave labor or the Auschwitz concentration camp remain unsubstantiated.

There are unsubstantiated rumors concerning Prescott Bush's associations with the Nazi party. The Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated." [2] The rumors began with extreme right-wing attacks on George H.W. Bush during his 1980 presidential run and were renewed during his 1988 run.

The New York Herald-Tribune referred to the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, as "Hitler's Angel" and mentioned Bush only as an employee of the investment banking firm Thyssen used in the USA. The label was ironic, since by the time the Tribune article appeared, Hitler had turned on Thyssen and imprisoned him. Reportedly, however, there has been a determined effort by Canadian bloggers, apparently connected with Lyndon LaRouche, to circulate reports that Bush himself was known as "Hitler's Angel".

Some records in the National Archives, including the Harriman papers, document the continued relationship of Brown Brothers Harriman with Thyssen and some of his German investments up until his 1951 death.[4] Investigator John Loftus has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averill Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany." Two former slave laborers from Poland have filed suit in London against the government of the United States and the heirs of Prescott Bush in the amount of $40 billion. A class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. in 2001 was dismissed.

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The words pacelbul obviously does not understand are UNSUBSTANTIATED---CHARGES ARE UNTENABLE AND POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.

Can some one help this poor fellow???

All manner of accusations are made against many if there is the posisbility of substantial financial rewards.

But quoting from Democrat leaders in the past, the 'seriousness of the charge' is the issue. So once one of these stories starts circulating, the more gullible (and opportunistic) take any silly rumor or false accusation and run with it to attack somebody they don't like or think they're not supposed to like.

It's too bad that national politics has been reduced to this level of discourse. There was a time when it was considered wrong and criminal to intentionally falsely ruin another person's good name.

And there will always be people who believe lies; the gullible people of America, who would prefer be told what to think rather than investigate for themselves.

The Bush's have no 'good name'. They haven't since Prescott Bush.

I find it interesting that Bush & his brothers commit such crimes and it goes unnoticed. Marvin Bush, Georgie's brother, was in charge of security at the WTC on 9/11. Of course, it's all just a coincidence that 9/11 'happened' when a Bush was in charge of security......

The fact that allegations against Prescott Bush remain UNSUBSTANTIATED means only that it could not be proven one way or the other. Of course it helps that P. Bush is dead now. Convenient time to release previously classified documents about him and A. Harriman since both are dead. The fact that it is not widely known is suspicious. What are the Bush's afraid of? Truth?