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Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 16 Aug, 2006 09:47 pm
Some Republicans and some conservatives are finally opening their eyes. What's wrong with Tico & Bill?

Quote:


Is Bush an idiot?

Joe Scarborough

For the past six years George W. Bush has been the target of ridicule from liberal circles. But now, instead of laughing at Democrats' ill-directed arrogance, Republicans are quietly joining the left in questioning the President's intellectual prowess.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-scarborough/is-bush-an-idiot_b_27408.html

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pachelbel
 
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Reply Wed 16 Aug, 2006 09:52 pm
The Big Lie
Published on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 by TomDispatch.com

Oliver Stone, 9/11, and the Big Lie
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BernardR
 
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Reply Wed 16 Aug, 2006 09:59 pm
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BernardR
 
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Reply Wed 16 Aug, 2006 10:03 pm
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Wed 16 Aug, 2006 11:20 pm
I'd really like to see you come up with substantial evidence to rebut this.
But you won't, because this is the truth behind the Bush family. Friends of the Nazi's, drug smuggling, bank scandals. money laundering - how do you think the Bush family made its millions? By being honest?
it would make a good movie don't you think? What a nice, American family Laughing


The Bush Crime Family Tree

George Walker, GW's great-grandfather, set up the takeover of the Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. In Germany, I.G. Farben was most famous for putting the gas in gas chambers; it was the producer of Zyklon B and other gasses used on victims of the Holocaust. The Bush family was not unaware of the nature of their investment partners. They hired Allen Dulles, the future head of the CIA, to hide the funds they were making from Nazi investments and the funds they were sending to Nazi Germany, rather than divest. It was only in 1942, when the government seized Union Banking Company assets under the Trading With The Enemy Act, that George Walker and Prescott Bush stopped pumping money into Hitler's regime. (1)


Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush. (2) On the 20th of October, the government commenced action against the company under the trading with the enemy act. (3) After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal. (4) In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past.(5)


George Herbert Walker Bush, the presidents father. Bush, as director of the CIA, had funneled enormous amounts of cash to drug runners including Manuel Noriega and helped in the destabilization of Argentina. Bush utilized his own connections to help fund drug runners from Laos to Panama. Most shocking was the so-called "cocaine coup" in Bolivia in June 1980, masterminded by fugitive Nazi Klaus Barbie, "The Butcher Of Lyons." Barbie, who had been previously secreted in Latin America by the CIA, began working closely with the Argentines and used drug money to finance a neo-Nazi cabal, one that succeeded in overthrowing the government. The troops swept through the capital wearing Nazi armbands, according to former DEA agent Mike Levine. George H.W. Bush later facilitated the Iran-contra affair, employing many of the same methods: secretly selling Central American cocaine in America and weapons to Iran while using the profits to fund the contras and to overthrow democratically elected socialists in Central America.(6) as the head of the CIA and later as Vice President, toppled democratically elected regimes in South and Central America and began propping up a dictator by the name of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Although forbidden by congress to do so, he continued to sell chemical and biological weapons to Saddam even after he used them on villages of innocent civilians. A decade later The United States had to go to war against him and the Bush family again, made millions from it.

Jonathan J. Bush, the Presidents uncle. Neil Bush, the president's brother. Central player of the 1980'ssavings and loan scandal, he ran a savings and loan into the ground while shoveling millions of its taxpayer-backed dollars into the pockets of two deadbeat partners. Neil served as a director of Silverado Banking, Savings and Loan in Denver, Colorado, from 1985 until 1988. During that time, the now-dead thrift made over $200 million in loans to Neil's two partners in JNB Exploration, Neil's abysmally unsuccessful oil company. Federal regulators determined that, while Silverado was pumping loans to Neil's two associates, Neil was completely dependent on the two men for his income. The failure of Silverado -- its closure delayed until after the 1988 election -- cost taxpayers about $1 billion. After Silverado failed, Neil started a new oil company, Apex Energy. This time, his money came from a $2.35 million loan through a Small Business Administration program. When news of this reached the press in March 1991, the SBA discovered that the companies through which the loan was approved were technically insolvent, and it gave them up to thirty months to "self-liquidate." This meant that Apex would have to repay its SBA-guaranteed loans. Neil took this as his cue to move on, and he left Apex -- and its debts -- for others to worry about. (7) update: Neil Bush made $171,370 in one day. The fact that he was a former consultant to the company whose stock he dumped is just a coincidence


Marvin Bush, the president's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Shocked Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family. The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down." The suite in which Marvin Bush was annually re-elected, according to public records, is located in the Watergate in space leased to the Saudi government. The company now holds shareholder meetings in space leased by the Kuwaiti government there.(8) (9) more

Cool why has the media kept Marvin's activities so quiet?

Jeb Bush, the president's brother. After graduating from The University of Texas, Jeb Bush served a short apprenticeship at the Venezuelan branch of Texas Commerce Bank in Caracas before settling in Miami, in 1980, to work on his father's unsuccessful primary bid against Ronald Reagan. Shortly after arriving in Miami, Jeb was hired by Cuban-American developer Armando Codina to work at his Miami development company as an agent leasing office space. A couple of years later, Jeb and Codina became business partners, and in 1985 they purchased an office building in a deal partly financed by a savings and loan that later failed.The $4.56 million loan, from Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, Florida, was granted in such a way that neither Codina's nor Bush's name appeared on the loan papers as the borrowers. A third man, J. Edward Houston, borrowed the $4.56 million from Broward and then re-lent it to the Bush partnership. When federal regulators closed Broward Savings in 1988, they found the loan, which had been secured by the Bush partnership, in default. As Jeb's father was finishing his second term as vice-president and running for the presidency, federal regulators had two options: to get Jeb Bush and his partner to repay the loan, or to foreclose on their office building. But regulators came up with a third solution. After reappraising the building, regulators decided it wasn't worth as much as was owed for it. The regulators reduced the amount owed by Bush and his partner from $4.56 million to just $500,000. The pair paid that amount and were allowed to keep their office building. Taxpayers picked up the tab for the unpaid $4 million. (10) newsweek article on Bush/Nazi connection
"Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951" - Federal Documents
Karl Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp,

Still, that's ancient history. Surely bush wouldn't be repeating the actions of fascist dictators. Or would he?

Shocked Do the Israeli's know???

(1) http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id195/pg1/
(2) http://www.clamormagazine.org/features/issue14.3_feature.html
(3) http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3713.htm
(4) http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=39&contentid=997
(5) http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=39&contentid=963&page=2
(6) http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushcontra.htm
(7) http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboys.html
(8) http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm
(9) http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Marvin_Bush
(10) http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/BushFV.html#p2
(11) http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=122&row=1
(12) http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0228/ridgeway.php
(13) http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/Central_America/Iran-Contra_Felons_Get_Good_Jobs_from_Bush
(14) http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm
(15) http://babelogue.citypages.com:8080/sperry/stories/storyReader$526
(16) http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/
(17) http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Jonathan_Bush
(18) http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A28396-2004May14?language=printer
(19) http://www.davidsirota.com/2004/05/bushs-uncle-is-executive-at-bank-fined.html
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 12:00 am
Pachelbel- WHAT A GREAT POST!!! You don't have to respond to my challenge in which I took your other post apart!


Do you know why, Pachelbel?

Because by listing idiocies you have shown yourself to be a total KOOK!!!


George W.Bush and his father were Nazis?

I will happily replicate that when you post again because only a KOOK actually believes that!!!
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 12:03 am
Pachelbel- I just contacted the DNC to ask them why they neglected to reveal your dynamite evidence. They obviously do not have the insight and information that you do>

LOL!!!
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 08:29 am
Quote:


Gullible Americans
By Paul Craig Roberts


I was in China when a July Harris Poll reported that 50 percent of Americans still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when Bush invaded that country and that 64 percent of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links with al-Qaida.

The Chinese leaders and intellectuals with whom I was meeting were incredulous. How could a majority of the population in an allegedly free country with an allegedly free press be so totally misinformed?

The only answer I could give the Chinese is that Americans would have been the perfect population for Mao and the Gang of Four, because Americans believe anything their government tells them.

Americans never check any facts.

[read on,]

http://vdare.com/roberts/060814_gullible.htm



Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 08:33 am
JTT and Bernard

Would you two guys please have some consideration for everyone else in this community and cease these mile-long pastes. Put in a teaser of a few paragraphs with a link.
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 11:40 am
BernardR wrote:
Pachelbel- WHAT A GREAT POST!!! You don't have to respond to my challenge in which I took your other post apart!


Do you know why, Pachelbel?

Because by listing idiocies you have shown yourself to be a total KOOK!!!


George W.Bush and his father were Nazis?

I will happily replicate that when you post again because only a KOOK actually believes that!!!



You know what, B? You are a total idiot. Anyone who is literate knows that the Bush family were Nazi profiteers/carpetbaggers. It's no secret. Except to people like you with their eyes completely shut. Jeez even NEWSWEEK published derogatory info about the Bush family.

I notice you did not check out any sources and did not look up: HALLIBURTON, CARLYLE, PRESCOTT BUSH/HARRIMAN. Why don't you do a google search on them and get back to me? Too afraid the truth will hit you between the eyes. Therefore your answer is mere
itshay to add to the rest of your pile. Bush media can tell you anything and you'd believe it, wouldn't you? As long as Fox TV says it, it must be true.

Karl Rove (you know him don't you?) g.Father WAS a Nazi. No disputing that. If you actually READ the article you might begin to connect the dots.
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 11:44 am
BernardR wrote:
Pachelbel- I just contacted the DNC to ask them why they neglected to reveal your dynamite evidence. They obviously do not have the insight and information that you do>

LOL!!!


Well I guess the DNC - whoever they are - don't know crap. Doesn't surprise me, as 1/2 of Americans still think Iraq was responsible for 9/11.

Think what you like, doesn't bother me that you are considered the 1/2 of Americans who don't know when they are being lied to.

Seems the pro Bush bunch never graduated from college. DUH
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 11:49 am
Laughing oh look! An article from NEWSWEEK - the magazine you quote often to me! Maybe you should CALL them and check this out! They could be lying Shocked

newsweek article on Bush/Nazi connection
"Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951" - Federal Documents
Karl Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp,


Rolling Eyes figure it out, dumkopf. First you quote Newsweek to me then you rebut an article from them.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 11:52 am
pachelbel wrote:
Laughing oh look! An article from NEWSWEEK - the magazine you quote often to me! Maybe you should CALL them and check this out! They could be lying Shocked

newsweek article on Bush/Nazi connection
"Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951" - Federal Documents
Karl Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp,


Rolling Eyes figure it out, dumkopf. First you quote Newsweek to me then you rebut an article from them.


Please provide the link to Newsweek.


It appears the article you posted was written by John Buchanan and Stacey Michael, and first published in The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003. LINK
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 12:03 pm
JTT wrote:
Quote:


Gullible Americans
By Paul Craig Roberts


I was in China when a July Harris Poll reported that 50 percent of Americans still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when Bush invaded that country and that 64 percent of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links with al-Qaida.

The Chinese leaders and intellectuals with whom I was meeting were incredulous. How could a majority of the population in an allegedly free country with an allegedly free press be so totally misinformed?

The only answer I could give the Chinese is that Americans would have been the perfect population for Mao and the Gang of Four, because Americans believe anything their government tells them.

Americans never check any facts.

[read on,]

http://vdare.com/roberts/060814_gullible.htm



Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration.


Cool Sadly, this is true. The poster of long, idiotic & baseless articles is one of them. Another example on this forum thread is the poster who wanted a simple article explained to him - in other words, feed them pablum or they can't chew it. Americans will take the easy route and let Fox TV tell them what to think because most of the population are ignorant & lazy and prefer to stay that way.

I bet the Chinese leaders were incredulous that so many Americans are so stupid. Especially since the Yanks have a 'free press'. Or do they? If you told them that the corporations own the media and the corporations were a big contributor to Bush's campaign they wouldn't believe it.

Too many Americans believe what their gov't tells them, for sure. I thought they learned their lesson after JFK and the Johnson/Watergate era. Guess not.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 12:15 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
pachelbel wrote:
Laughing oh look! An article from NEWSWEEK - the magazine you quote often to me! Maybe you should CALL them and check this out! They could be lying Shocked

newsweek article on Bush/Nazi connection
"Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951" - Federal Documents
Karl Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp,


Rolling Eyes figure it out, dumkopf. First you quote Newsweek to me then you rebut an article from them.


Please provide the link to Newsweek.


It appears the article you posted was written by John Buchanan and Stacey Michael, and first published in The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003. LINK


Still waiting on that link, pachelbel.

But you won't be providing it, will you?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 01:03 pm
Oh, the power of the Bush name. It certainly served GWB quite well -- few doubt that it got him through the finest schools around, and into his failed career in the oil business. It did enrich him by virtue of his bargain purchase of a share in the baseball team. Also, it enabled him to jump ahead of many to enter the air national guard.

Neil is an interesting case. He comes across as being mildly retarded, and vulnerable to being used by anybody. He was certainly used at Silverado, testifying before congress that he "got an incredibly sweet deal" there. He could share in the profits, but not the losses. The taxpayer got hosed big time by this firm.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 01:08 pm
Advocate wrote:
Neil is an interesting case. He comes across as being mildly retarded, .....


I'm curious ... how does he come across that way?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 01:13 pm
He told a congressional committee is a very serious way of his "incredibly sweet deal," as well as a number of other mind-numbing statements.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 03:06 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Neil is an interesting case. He comes across as being mildly retarded, .....


I'm curious ... how does he come across that way?


He sounds stupid because of the southern accent.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 03:27 pm
snood wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Advocate wrote:
Neil is an interesting case. He comes across as being mildly retarded, .....


I'm curious ... how does he come across that way?


He sounds stupid because of the southern accent.


Why do you hate Southerners, snood?
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