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Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

 
 
Magginkat
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 05:08 pm
I'm glad he's yours foxy! Ho ho ho


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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 08:08 pm
an interesting read

Why Conservatives Can't Govern

from the front-middle

Quote:
The collapse of the Bush presidency, in other words, is not just due to Bush's incompetence (although his administration has been incompetent beyond belief). Nor is it a response to the president's principled lack of intellectual curiosity and pitbull refusal to admit mistakes (although those character flaws are certainly real enough). And the orgy of bribery and special-interest dispensation in Congress is not the result of Tom DeLay's ruthlessness, as impressive a bully as he was. This conservative presidency and Congress imploded, not despite their conservatism, but because of it.

Contemporary conservatism is first and foremost about shrinking the size and reach of the federal government. This mission, let us be clear, is an ideological one. It does not emerge out of an attempt to solve real-world problems, such as managing increasing deficits or finding revenue to pay for entitlements built into the structure of federal legislation. It stems, rather, from the libertarian conviction, repeated endlessly by George W. Bush, that the money government collects in order to carry out its business properly belongs to the people themselves. One thought, and one thought only, guided Bush and his Republican allies since they assumed power in the wake of Bush vs. Gore: taxes must be cut, and the more they are cut--especially in ways benefiting the rich--the better.

But like all politicians, conservatives, once in office, find themselves under constant pressure from constituents to use government to improve their lives. This puts conservatives in the awkward position of managing government agencies whose missions--indeed, whose very existence--they believe to be illegitimate. Contemporary conservatism is a walking contradiction. Unable to shrink government but unwilling to improve it, conservatives attempt to split the difference, expanding government for political gain, but always in ways that validate their disregard for the very thing they are expanding. The end result is not just bigger government, but more incompetent government.

"Ideas," a distinguished conservative named Richard Weaver once wrote, "have consequences." Americans have learned something about the consequences of conservative ideas during the Bush years that they never had to confront in the more amiable Reagan period. As a way of governing, conservatism is another name for disaster. And the disasters will continue, year after year, as long as conservatives, whose political tactics are frequently as brilliant as their policy-making is inept, find ways to perpetuate their power.


Ideas have consequences.

Always helpful to remember.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 09:23 pm
Quote:
The NY Times: The Newspaper of Wreckage
By Michelle Malkin
Jul 5, 2006


When is a "secret" not a secret?

When The New York Times decides, in the interest of saving its old gray hide, that it is not.

On June 22, the paper trumpeted its expose of "a secret Bush administration program" to track terror finances. The banking program, reporters Eric Lichtblau and James Risen made unmistakably clear, was a "closely held secret." The front-page story referred to the secret nature of the program no less than eight times. A Times-produced Web video featuring Lichtblau promoted a brief interview in which he "reveal(ed) a secret Bush administration program to access financial records."

But by July 2, smarting from the public backlash against its blabbermouth coverage, the Times crew was backpedaling faster than circus monkeys on barrels hurtling over Niagara Falls. Suddenly, the "secret" was no secret at all.

Everybody who's anybody has known about the secret program all along, silly. New York Times ombudsman Byron Calame's belated defense of the Times' expose of the monitoring of the SWIFT banking program contained this revealing passage:

"There was a significant question as to how secret the (monitoring of the SWIFT banking program) was after five years. 'Hundreds, if not thousands, of people know about this,' (Executive Editor Bill) Keller claimed he was told by an official who talked to him on condition of anonymity."

"Hundreds, if not thousands, of people" have known about the program before the Times blabbed about it. Well, there's a scoop. So, why wasn't this reported in the original story and reflected in the original, front-page headline?

There was no printed follow-up from lapdog Calame about Keller's assertion, which goes a good bit further than the claim by Times' apologists Richard Clarke and Roger Cressey. That mind-reading duo wrote in a Times op-ed that terrorists already assumed their financial transactions were being monitored. Calame curiously neglected to note that Keller's claim contradicted both the tone and facts presented in the Times' initial coverage by reporters Lichtblau and Risen.

Which is just as well, since Lichtblau himself is now contradicting his own story, too. On CNN's "Reliable Sources," facing withering criticism from talk radio host Hugh Hewitt, Lichtblau blustered:

"When you have senior Treasury Department officials going before Congress, publicly talking about how they are tracing and cutting off money to terrorists, weeks and weeks before our story ran. USA Today, the biggest circulation in the country, the lead story on their front page four days before our story ran was the terrorists know their money is being traced, and they are moving it into -- outside of the banking system into unconventional means. It is by no means a secret." (emphasis added).

Hmm. What was that headline over Lichtblau's story again? Oh, yeah: "Bank Data Sifted in Secret by U.S. to block terror." Meanwhile, finance regulators and top government officials in Belgium (who apparently aren't among the "hundreds, if not thousands" who knew about the program) have ordered a probe into SWIFT, which is regulated by the Belgian central bank and answers to Belgian law. Bush-undermining Eurowheedlers are launching a debate in parliament over the program next week, and a private human rights lobbying group has filed formal complaints against the SWIFT banking consortium in 32 countries.

Lesson No. 1: Never trust the Times' headlines.

Lesson No. 2: Never trust what's printed under the Times' headlines.

Lesson No. 3: Never trust what comes out of the mouths of the Times' editors and reporters.

Avoid the newspaper of wreckage, and help keep American safe.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 09:37 pm
Michelle Malkin? Ho ho ho... She doesn't explain why bushie was whining that it was telling all his secrets does she?

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Why don't you just throw in the plagerist Dann Coulter for good measure Tico?

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Magginkat
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jul, 2006 09:43 pm
ehBeth wrote:
an interesting read

Why Conservatives Can't Govern

from the front-middle

Quote:
The collapse of the Bush presidency, in other words, is not just due to Bush's incompetence (although his administration has been incompetent beyond belief). Nor is it a response to the president's principled lack of intellectual curiosity and pitbull refusal to admit mistakes (although those character flaws are certainly real enough). And the orgy of bribery and special-interest dispensation in Congress is not the result of Tom DeLay's ruthlessness, as impressive a bully as he was. This conservative presidency and Congress imploded, not despite their conservatism, but because of it.

Contemporary conservatism is first and foremost about shrinking the size and reach of the federal government. This mission, let us be clear, is an ideological one. It does not emerge out of an attempt to solve real-world problems, such as managing increasing deficits or finding revenue to pay for entitlements built into the structure of federal legislation. It stems, rather, from the libertarian conviction, repeated endlessly by George W. Bush, that the money government collects in order to carry out its business properly belongs to the people themselves. One thought, and one thought only, guided Bush and his Republican allies since they assumed power in the wake of Bush vs. Gore: taxes must be cut, and the more they are cut--especially in ways benefiting the rich--the better.

But like all politicians, conservatives, once in office, find themselves under constant pressure from constituents to use government to improve their lives. This puts conservatives in the awkward position of managing government agencies whose missions--indeed, whose very existence--they believe to be illegitimate. Contemporary conservatism is a walking contradiction. Unable to shrink government but unwilling to improve it, conservatives attempt to split the difference, expanding government for political gain, but always in ways that validate their disregard for the very thing they are expanding. The end result is not just bigger government, but more incompetent government.

"Ideas," a distinguished conservative named Richard Weaver once wrote, "have consequences." Americans have learned something about the consequences of conservative ideas during the Bush years that they never had to confront in the more amiable Reagan period. As a way of governing, conservatism is another name for disaster. And the disasters will continue, year after year, as long as conservatives, whose political tactics are frequently as brilliant as their policy-making is inept, find ways to perpetuate their power.


Ideas have consequences.

Always helpful to remember.


You're right ehBeth.... it is a great article and right on the money. Conservatism is indeed another name for disaster and George Bush proves it big time. Of course it doesn't help any that this pathetic little man was never interested in anything but the title and the power.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 05:24 am
Idiocy aside, the New York Times can choose between lying about what they've done or admit they are guilty of treason. The latter seems pretty obvious to me... though I'd give them amnesty in exchange for the leakers. I'd formally announce my intention to never spend money on the worthless rag, had I not already done so, long ago.
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xingu
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 05:37 am
Michelle Malkin?

Geez Tico, is that the best you can do? Bush has been blabbing since 2001 that we've been tracing all of their financial transactions and now, all of a sudden, it's treason?
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 05:53 am
ehbeth
Quote:
an interesting read

Why Conservatives Can't Govern


Interesting indeed. thankyou very kindly for that link.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 06:00 am
Malkin and Coulter. Signposts on the journey from potentially smart to actively not.
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slkshock7
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 06:17 am
Magginkat wrote:
Quote:

But like all politicians, conservatives, once in office, find themselves under constant pressure from constituents to use government to improve their lives. This puts conservatives in the awkward position of managing government agencies whose missions--indeed, whose very existence--they believe to be illegitimate.


Here's where the author and the rest of you lefties go off track...Conservative constituents are not relying on the government to improve their lives. We fully believe and accept that we must rely on ourselves to improve our lives. The best thing the government can do is get out of our way...
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 06:23 am
slkshock7 wrote:
Magginkat wrote:
Quote:

But like all politicians, conservatives, once in office, find themselves under constant pressure from constituents to use government to improve their lives. This puts conservatives in the awkward position of managing government agencies whose missions--indeed, whose very existence--they believe to be illegitimate.


Here's where the author and the rest of you lefties go off track...Conservative constituents are not relying on the government to improve their lives. We fully believe and accept that we must rely on ourselves to improve our lives. The best thing the government can do is get out of our way...


That might be your notion of 'proper' conservativism, but it is patently untrue in many instances of the sort this writer speaks of. Bush has not vetoed a single spending bill, for example, regardless of the monies directed or aimed so as to solidify political advantage across numerous constituencies.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 08:53 am
xingu wrote:
Michelle Malkin?

Geez Tico, is that the best you can do? Bush has been blabbing since 2001 that we've been tracing all of their financial transactions and now, all of a sudden, it's treason?


If you don't like Michelle, I suggest you don't read her.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 08:57 am
One should always be aware of where stupid ideas and irrational arguments come from. These things tend to spread like herpes, so it's good to know who's sleeping with who.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 08:59 am
blatham wrote:
slkshock7 wrote:
Magginkat wrote:
Quote:

But like all politicians, conservatives, once in office, find themselves under constant pressure from constituents to use government to improve their lives. This puts conservatives in the awkward position of managing government agencies whose missions--indeed, whose very existence--they believe to be illegitimate.


Here's where the author and the rest of you lefties go off track...Conservative constituents are not relying on the government to improve their lives. We fully believe and accept that we must rely on ourselves to improve our lives. The best thing the government can do is get out of our way...


That might be your notion of 'proper' conservativism, but it is patently untrue in many instances of the sort this writer speaks of. Bush has not vetoed a single spending bill, for example, regardless of the monies directed or aimed so as to solidify political advantage across numerous constituencies.


... Which demonstrates that Bush is not a "proper" conservative.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 09:00 am
FreeDuck wrote:
One should always be aware of where stupid ideas and irrational arguments come from. These things tend to spread like herpes, so it's good to know who's sleeping with who.


Do you have a problem with Malkin, FD? If so, what might that be, specifically? Too conservative for your tastes?

Or were you just making an offhand remark?
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 09:02 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Idiocy aside, ...


Why you'd want to start now, we'll never know, OB. It's all you can lay claim to for supporting these murderers/thieves.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 09:02 am
Just an offhand remark. And no, I'm not a big fan of her writing and find her arguments almost never hold up under cross-examination. I don't know her personally so I have no opinion of her.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 09:10 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Just an offhand remark. And no, I'm not a big fan of her writing and find her arguments almost never hold up under cross-examination. I don't know her personally so I have no opinion of her.


How interesting that I have a completely opposite opinion of her writings and arguments.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 09:13 am
slkshock7 wrote:


Here's where the author and the rest of you lefties go off track...Conservative constituents are not relying on the government to improve their lives. We fully believe and accept that we must rely on ourselves to improve our lives. The best thing the government can do is get out of our way...


What a load of crap. Why would there be all those conservative lobbyists? Why were all these conservatives lining up at the Abramoff trough [is that the scumbag's name; one tries to forget]?

USA-$43 billion in 2005 to farmers.

[SOURCE: Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development]


Quote:


Red States Make a Mockery Of Self-Reliance

By Steven Pearlstein
Wednesday, January 19, 2005; Page E01

In his inaugural address tomorrow, I'm guessing, George W. Bush will take a moment to reaffirm the "red state" values that returned him and the Republican congressional majority to power. You know, things like self-reliance, free markets, small government and fiscal rectitude.

Funny, that. I have in front of me the latest report from the Tax Foundation showing how much each state gets back in contracts, benefits and subsidies for every dollar of taxes paid. And it shows that, with a few exceptions, the anti-government red states are the net winners in the flow of funds while the pro-government blue states are almost all losers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19566-2005Jan18.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jul, 2006 09:21 am
Ticomaya wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Just an offhand remark. And no, I'm not a big fan of her writing and find her arguments almost never hold up under cross-examination. I don't know her personally so I have no opinion of her.


How interesting that I have a completely opposite opinion of her writings and arguments.


The completely predictable is seldom a matter of much interest.
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