Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

Ticomaya wrote:

blatham wrote:
slkshock7 wrote:
Magginkat wrote:
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But like all politicians, conservatives, once in office, find themselves under constant pressure from constituents to use government to improve their lives. This puts conservatives in the awkward position of managing government agencies whose missions--indeed, whose very existence--they believe to be illegitimate.

Here's where the author and the rest of you lefties go off track...Conservative constituents are not relying on the government to improve their lives. We fully believe and accept that we must rely on ourselves to improve our lives. The best thing the government can do is get out of our way...

That might be your notion of 'proper' conservativism, but it is patently untrue in many instances of the sort this writer speaks of. Bush has not vetoed a single spending bill, for example, regardless of the monies directed or aimed so as to solidify political advantage across numerous constituencies.

... Which demonstrates that Bush is not a "proper" conservative.

Which immediately presents the obvious sentence-in-need-of-completion...

"George Bush is a proper ____________."

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Did anyone read the piece on Bush/Cheney in yesterday's Financial Times?

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Funny, that. I have in front of me the latest report from the Tax Foundation showing how much each state gets back in contracts, benefits and subsidies for every dollar of taxes paid. And it shows that, with a few exceptions, the anti-government red states are the net winners in the flow of funds while the pro-government blue states are almost all losers.

That might be addressing an imbalance in the other direction from earlier years and might not even go near correcting it.

The red states provide most of the food don't they and they deserve to be not taken for granted by the city slickers who provide other things.

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Ticomaya wrote:

How interesting that I have a completely opposite opinion of her writings and arguments.

What's truly interesting, nay astonishing, is how you and the gang of pseudo-cons cling to the talking points of these wingnuts.

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blatham wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Just an offhand remark. And no, I'm not a big fan of her writing and find her arguments almost never hold up under cross-examination. I don't know her personally so I have no opinion of her.

How interesting that I have a completely opposite opinion of her writings and arguments.

The completely predictable is seldom a matter of much interest.

Then feel free to ignore me, Bernard. :wink:

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Tico is coming around to our side, Bernie. I can tell.

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All conservatives aren't stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.

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I sincerely believe that Tico is a fairly intelligent conservative who realizes he is being misrepresented but hasn't had the courage to admit such a fact at the present time.

But he will.

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Eventually.

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Tico is ok in my book.

Just confused.

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gustavratzenhofer wrote:

Tico is ok in my book.

Just confused.

I refuse to sit back and be called "confused" by someone who believes "Graveyard Train" is CCR's best song, when "Walk on the Water" clearly holds that title.

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Unfortunately, I must admit that Tico is right ... here, and only with his judgement on CCR's songs.

I mean, Gus, this really coined your bad image.

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blatham wrote:

Which immediately presents the obvious sentence-in-need-of-completion...

"George Bush is a proper ____________."

Noun.

"George Bush" is a proper noun.

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slkshock7 wrote:

Magginkat wrote:
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But like all politicians, conservatives, once in office, find themselves under constant pressure from constituents to use government to improve their lives. This puts conservatives in the awkward position of managing government agencies whose missions--indeed, whose very existence--they believe to be illegitimate.

Here's where the author and the rest of you lefties go off track...Conservative constituents are not relying on the government to improve their lives. We fully believe and accept that we must rely on ourselves to improve our lives. The best thing the government can do is get out of our way...

Yeah, right! You are living in your dream world that you are all going to realize that American dream and be as rich as king george and then you won't have to pay taxes but will have tax breaks and money handed to you hand over fist. That's the conservative for you! How the hell do you plan to do that with jobs leaving this country by the thousands every week.
Face it loser.......... you will more than likely be struck by an asteriod than you will ever get any of those breaks and the stolen money. You will be paying these bastards the rest of your miserable lives thinking that you are going to be one of them. HA! Hell will freeze over first!

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Ticomaya wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:
Just an offhand remark. And no, I'm not a big fan of her writing and find her arguments almost never hold up under cross-examination. I don't know her personally so I have no opinion of her.

How interesting that I have a completely opposite opinion of her writings and arguments.

Surprise! Surprise! NOT!

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gustavratzenhofer wrote:

Tico is ok in my book.

Just confused.

Very CoNfUsEd

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Pop quiz ... which of the following is Magginkat: a, b, c, or d?

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/1286/pessimist8du.gif

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Ticomaya wrote:

blatham wrote:
Which immediately presents the obvious sentence-in-need-of-completion...

"George Bush is a proper ____________."

Noun.

"George Bush" is a proper noun.

"George Bush is an im-proper a**hole", among other things!

George W. Bush Is Dead To Me
Nation cringes as the worst president ever continues long, painful slog to the end
- By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Friday, July 7, 2006

It is like some sort of virus. It is like some sort of weird and painful rash on your face that makes you embarrassed to walk out the door and so you sit there day after day, waiting for it to go away, slathering on ointment and Bactine and scotch. And yet still it lingers.

Some days the pain is so searing and hot you want to cut off your own head with a nail file. Other days it is numb and pain-free and seemingly OK, to the point where you think it might finally be all gone and you allow yourself a hint of a whisper of a positive feeling, right up until you look in the mirror, and scream.

George W. Bush is just like that.

Everyone I know has had enough. Everyone I know is just about done. There is this threshold of happy deadened disgust, this point where the body simply resigns itself to the pain, a point where the disease, the poison has seeped so deeply into the bones that you just have to laugh and shrug it all off and go for a drink. Or 10.

I was having cocktails recently with a group of people, among whom were two lifetime Republicans, each in his 60s, corporate businessmen, one admittedly slightly more moderate than the other (to the point where, after once hearing a senator read off a long list of Bush's hideous environmental atrocities, actually let his conscience lead his choice and ended up voting for Kerry) but nevertheless both devoted members of the party.

Bush came up, as a topic, as a cancer, as a fetid miasma in the air. They were both shaking their heads. They were sighing heavily. They were both, in a word, disgusted. The more staunchly conservative of the two even went so far as to say he was so embarrassed and humiliated by this president, by this administration, so appalled at all the war atrocities and the wiretapping and the misuse of law, the fiscal irresponsibility and the abuse of the lower classes and the outright arrogance, that if the Dems could somehow produce a decent moderate candidate with a brain, he'd have zero problem switching allegiances and voting for him. Or her.

It may not sound like much. It may not seem like a major shift. But it is, in its way, sort of massive. For thoughtful Repubs with a conscience (they actually exist, I have seen them), there is little left to defend. There is little this administration has done among all categories of ostensible GOP values that they can look to with any sort of pride. Medicare? Shrinking the budget? Smaller government? Less intervention in our lives? Reduced spending? Increased respect in the international community? Responsible international citizen? Ha. Name your topic, BushCo has failed. Spectacularly. Intentionally.

Indeed, countless Dems were disappointed with Clinton's behavior during Monicagate. Many were ashamed that he would cheapen the office so badly by such trashy moral behavior.

But that was just a cheap little affair (our allies never understood all the fuss anyway). This was never the attitude toward Clinton's politics, his capacity to understand complex issues, his astounding political savvy. No one anywhere doubted he made the country richer, more environmentally conscious, more stable, more respected and admired. Clinton was globally adored not only for his charisma but for his contributions to world peace. Plus he could actually point to Afghanistan on a map.

What a difference a handful of years makes. Now, overseas, we are a joke. A threat. A toxin. We are considered reckless and arrogant and ignorant, dangerous not just to the rest of the world but to the overall health of the planet. No one anywhere understands how a man like Bush can be the leader of the Free World, stolen election or no.

Sure, smarter Europeans know full well that the United States is deeply divided between the pseudo-religious right-wing warmongers who control a tiny cadre of the powerful elite, and, well, everyone else. It does not matter. America's reputation as a powerful and respected diplomatic peacekeeper, as the nation that sets the standards for human rights and economic freedom and choice, is hobbled. Crippled. Is very nearly dead. How quickly can we recover? How much damage has been done? History will tell, and it will be ugly indeed.

Interesting feature interview with Al Gore in Rolling Stone recently. Gore mentions two amazing things: one is the discussion he's had with generals regarding Iraq, with one coming right out and admitting that Bush's disastrous Iraq war will go down as the worst invasion in American history, our greatest misstep, our most costly and debilitating mistake. Among top brass in the know, of this there is little question.

The other was about the discussions Gore's had with various major corporate CEOs about Gore's pet issue, global warming, and how obvious it is that 15 minutes after BushCo leaves office, we will have a radically new global warming policy. In other words, Bush won't do a thing about it in the next two years, despite how obvious it shall become that we are in crisis, simply because he can't risk finally coming out and admitting yet another enormous policy disaster. Not to mention how nearly six years of enviro policy abuse, from air quality to water to forestry to pollution deregulation on all his industrial pals, can't be undone with a smirk and a prayer.

Which is just another way of saying we are currently stuck. We are swirling around the bottom of the drain, clinging on to anything that might hold us from going under for just a little while longer. We have to let the neocon disease run its course, and just pray that at the end of it all the scarring and the pain and damage will not be so permanent, and so hideous, that we can't be seen in public for a decade.

This is where it stands: Bush can in no way risk alienating the ultra-right-wing bonk-job contingent that put him in office (they are, considering Bush's 32-percent approval rating, the only ones left even remotely supporting him -- even though, according to many estimates, they're starting to abandon him, too), and hence all policy and all agenda items from here on out will be even more vicious and desperate in an attempt to shore up the base. Hence trying to mutilate the Constitution to ban gay marriage. Hence attacking the New York Times and claiming newspapers are endangering American lives.

In other words, Bush's latest nasty, Rove-designed salvos and upcoming attacks to save a sliver of power and pride and sneering GOP control are just the beginning.

However -- praise Jesus and pass the scotch -- they are the beginning of the end.

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"Bush is the amalgamation of all the hideous and sad parts of the Republican Party. He is a Republican Frankenstein. He has the temperament of Barry Goldwater, the integrity of Richard Nixon, and the brains of Dan Quayle" - Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks

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