Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

Go right ahead. But I do reserve the right to point out when you make a mistake.

Lets see...Documented Clinton lies?
This could be fun,can I play?
I hope so,so lets start with these...


At a press conference July 21, 1999, Bill Clinton stated:
"John Kennedy had actually not been back to the White House since his father was killed, until I had became president - and first he was on an advisory committee that made a report to me, and he came back to the Oval Office where he saw the desk that he took the famous picture in - you know, coming through the gate, for the first time since he was a little boy."

In an interview with Chris Matthews February 5, 1996 when asked about the time President Nixon hosted a dinner party in 1971, John F. Kennedy, Jr. described it in these words:

"He had invited my mother to the White House privately, and she accepted and brought all of us, Caroline and me, back. He was very warm and he was a wonderful host and we saw the rooms where we had lived. My sister (I was sort of a hyperactive child) and my sister had a bet with me that either I would spill my milk or my shirttail would be untucked because that used to happen with great frequency. So I had gotten through most of the dinner and shirttail was in and milk was upright and I think we were at dessert. Something caught my attention and the milk went over - right over his lap and he just was very - you know - just didn't blink and just kind of wiped it up - and I lost the bet ... it was a memorable evening."

So which person told the truth - and which person "embellished" to bolster his own image! The story of the Nixon party was written by Chris Matthews in a book which the President displays in his bookcase.

Or this one...

"President Clinton should think twice before accepting invitations to strap on a loincloth for any Thanksgiving re-enactment," says U.S. News & World Report's Paul Bedard.

"You see, he recently claimed that his grandmother's grandmother was Cherokee. 'My grandmother was one-quarter Cherokee,' said Mr. Clinton. His claim came as some Indians were criticizing his initiative on race for ignoring them. If his claim were true, that would make him one-sixteenth Cherokee, but tribal authorities doubt his claim. Cherokee Heritage Center genealogist Tom Mooney says, 'If you lived in Arkansas ... give it up,' because the roots of the tribe are Oklahoma-, Texas-, and North Carolina- based." "Worse, the White House didn't find his kin's name to compare against the official Cherokee rolls."
Source: Inside Politics, News and political dispatches from around the nation By Greg Pierce THE WASHINGTON TIMES November 23, 1998

Or this one...

Bill Clinton, January 27, 1992, speaking about the allegations that he had a 12 year affair with Gennifer Flowers..."They've been exposed as the trash they are"
Arkansas Gazette
January 1998, Bill Clinton admits under oath in the Paula Jones deposition that he had an affair with Gennifer Flowers

or this one...

I am the only President in who knew something about agriculture when I got there." (Bill Clinton, Washington Post, 4/26/95)
Ummm...geee Mr. Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Harry Truman, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington who were all farmers before they were Presidents.


Do you want more lies,or is this enough to start?

mysteryman, I think enumerating all of Clinton's lies is really a non-starter and people are tired of it. I think even the liberals know Clinton was a pathological liar, whether they admit it or not. Don't you remember articles being written during the Clinton years concerning lying, that perhaps it was even good for the soul, and that good lying was beneficial for those that were wise enough to engage in it. You see, Clinton was a genius, and so clever, and was justified in all the lies he told.

My theory is that the Democrats knew all of this, but chose to defend their party, regardless of moral standards. Republicans are sort of more noted for moral standards, and Democrats have a basic belief that moral standards are sort of outdated and that everybody lies and cheats. Don't you remember the mantra that everybody does it, and after all if you lie about sex and your "personal life," that is to be even admired?

Because of this mindset, there was a decision, whether totally conscious or not, that if and when Republicans were in power, the Democrats were going to have their revenge and point out every lie, every moral downfall, every scandal that can be dredged up, and they intended to pound on it day after day, incessantly. Well, guess what? That is exactly what happened. And if good scandals can't be found, they would be invented, such as AWOL, forged documents, Bush lied about WMD, on and on, outing a secret CIA agent, I've forgotten all the scandals that have been trumped up, examined with a fine tooth comb, and when none seem to gain traction because none amount to much of a hill of beans, on to the next one. The latest are New Orleans, spying on Americans, and the Arabs running the ports. Frankly, I think most informed Americans have caught on long ago and are growing tired of the Democrats that have no program, no platform, nothing positive whatsoever.

Can you guys find nothing positive of Bush in the Bush aftermath supporter thread to talk about? You got to first bring up Kerry, then the old standby, Clinton? What's next? Oh, I know, Kennedy getting away with murder. Anything to distract from Bush low poll numbers which I understand don't mean anything except when his poll numbers are high.

Comparing Bush to Kerry is a very positive thing for Bush.

And, in some ways, comparing Bush to Clinton is a very positive thing for Bush.

...and for Clinton.

Anyhoo, MM, the format is tit for tat. Of all you posted I (the self-appointed referee) can only give you credit for one -- the Gennifer Flowers one -- as the others appear to be either mistakes (how would he have known that JFK junior went to dinner with Nixon?) or unproven lies (the Cherokee grandmother, unlikely, but not a proven to be a lie).

Since we have more participants, I'm going to change the scoring to:

Clinton: 3
Bush: 2

It's Cyclops(Bush) turn.

Folks,

I was initially going to post this into this thread, but I didnt want to create a whole thread within a thread - and besides, you've got a contest going on here ;-)

But I was primarily (tho of course not only) looking for responses from the conservatives/Republicans here, so indulge me and do give it a thought:

A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

I'm going to San Fran this week, so I'll be in and out. Anyone else who wants to keep the game going, feel free to chime in.

Cheers

Cycloptichorn

Oh, but before I go:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/feb06vs05.pdf

Cable ratings; Fox has fallen greatly over the last few months, while CNN and MSNBC are way up. A sign of changing national ideas?

Cycloptichorn

Does CNN have half the viewership Fox does (total day)? If I'm reading that right, if you add CNN and MSNBC together it doesn't equal Fox.

I didn't realize Fox was leading by that much.

Freeduck,he would have known because he had the book in his own collection.
I have read every book I own,so I think its safe to say that he has read every book he owns.

This is from the article I posted...

"The story of the Nixon party was written by Chris Matthews in a book which the President displays in his bookcase."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/09/01/BL2005090100915.html



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060302/ap_on_go_pr_wh/katrina_video

While Bush was busy vacationing, fundraising and pretending to play a guitar, people died:

Hmm, I bet every last one of us were having breakfast, going to work, going to the gym, having sex, and/or otherwise going about our lives while people died too.

Of course the press is frequently misrepresenting the issue too. Watch for many to say that Bush knew the levees coule likely be 'breached'. But if you look closely, the worry was that the lake would top the levees, and there was less worry that the levees would break.

Also if one watches closely, it is obvious the President was concerned, asked many questions, and was assured FEMA etc. had it under control.

It's nice that people think a president has these godly powers and is capable of doing absolutely everything if he just wants to. Apparently he is supposed to have some kind of crystal ball that tells him exactly what to do, where to be, when to do it, etc. while he plugs the dykes, stops a hurricane, and does everybody else's job for them as he is obviously supposed to know that nobody else will do their job.

Huh?

Thats like, two weird assertions in one. I like the last one best: "I do something, so I think it's safe to say that someone else does the same thing." Uh, no, it's not. Just because you always take the car to work / have read every book you own / like to have sex on Monday afternoons does not make it "safe to say" that someone else does the same thing.

I, for one, own lots and lots of books, and I've read perhaps two-thirds of them; in some categories even only half. My reading just cant keep up with my curiosity. I think its safe to say (heh) that in the case of someone with as busy a job as President or Governor, that may well be even more true. (Not to mention that in the case of a President, it's probably some PR manager who gets to decide which books are displayed in his bookcase...)

So no, you wont get that "lie" scored unless you come up with a better argument why it should.

And what exactly was the government closest to the people doing to protect their citizens again???

It isn't ignorance of facts that causes people to just look to the feds to solve all mankinds problems. It stupidity.

On my pro and con score card, I've already named Hillary Clinton as opposed to the port sale deal. Now it appears that former President Clinton is on the pro sale side:

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