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Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 09:06 am
In the USA what the president proposes and what the president gets are two different things. The president cannot put a single item into the budget. That is purely the prerogative of Congress. Virtually all presidential budget proposals are declared mostly dead on arrival when Congress receives them. There is nothing on the record that the Louisiana delegation in any way protested the lowered allocations or offered any proposal to replace them.

What the Louisiana congressional delegation is not mentioning is that much monies that Louisiana has already received for the levees was diverted, by Louisiana, to other purposes. In other words, the levees were obviously not a high priority item to Louisiana. Also any budget passed after 2003 would still be a year away from implementation and had the entire federal budget been allocated to those levees, there would not have been time to rebuild them.

Did FEMA screw up. Most probably as all huge bureacratic agencies screw up. Can all this be laid at the feet of the President. No way.

And no I don't have time to hunt up all the links again to support this so I'll offer it as my opinion.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 09:15 am
Foxfyre wrote:
In the USA what the president proposes and what the president gets are two different things. The president cannot put a single item into the budget. That is purely the prerogative of Congress.

True, so it's also the responsibility of Congress that, eg, there was a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project.

However, that does not change the fact that President Bush himself worked for exactly that result, by himself proposing only "a sixth of what local officials sa[id] they need."

One can lay the responsibility for his very own proposals at the President's feet, no? "It's not really my fault that the budget for the chief hurricane project was slashed because, well, I may have proposed exactly that but, like, they could have opposed me, couldn't they?" - just doesnt come across like too convincing a defence to me.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 09:19 am
So it doesn't matter to you that the Louisiana delegation didn't think it important enough to fight for? That Louisiana wasn't using the monies they had already been allocated to shore up the levees? The president should just ignore that and arrange his priorities in favor of Louisiana anyway?
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 09:23 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Hmm, I bet every last one of us were having breakfast, going to work, going to the gym, having sex, and/or otherwise going about our lives while people died too.

Of course the press is frequently misrepresenting the issue too. Watch for many to say that Bush knew the levees coule likely be 'breached'. But if you look closely, the worry was that the lake would top the levees, and there was less worry that the levees would break.

Also if one watches closely, it is obvious the President was concerned, asked many questions, and was assured FEMA etc. had it under control.

It's nice that people think a president has these godly powers and is capable of doing absolutely everything if he just wants to. Apparently he is supposed to have some kind of crystal ball that tells him exactly what to do, where to be, when to do it, etc. while he plugs the dykes, stops a hurricane, and does everybody else's job for them as he is obviously supposed to know that nobody else will do their job.


Quote:
Bush Was Warned of Flooding From Katrina
by DarkSyde
Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 05:47:16 PM PDT
Crooks and Liars has a video up of what appears to be a Presidential video conference recorded a day or more before Katrina made landfall and flooded the city of New Orleans. The video shows both FEMA Director Mike "Heckuva job" Brownie saying he had a gut feeling this would be the "big one" and storm meteorologist Max Mayfield standing in front of a radar image indicating a breach in the levees, specifically from Lake Pontchartrain driven by high winds, was a concern:


[Link] "I don't think any model can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not but that is obviously a very, very grave concern," Mayfield told the briefing.

Bush on Good Morning America, Thursday Sep 1, three days after Katrina made landfall:


[Source WAPO] "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. They did anticipate a serious storm. But these levees got breached. And as a result, much of New Orleans is flooded. And now we are having to deal with it and will."


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/1/194716/0679

Of course I understand this story is just once again the bad ole media out to get your poor misunderstood boy George. Just like the unrest right now in Iraq is a product of the media as well. Rolling Eyes
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 09:37 am
Foxfyre wrote:

Did FEMA screw up. Most probably as all huge bureacratic agencies screw up. Can all this be laid at the feet of the President. No way.

And no I don't have time to hunt up all the links again to support this so I'll offer it as my opinion.[/[/size]quote]

Of course you don't since it is entirely a figment of your imagination.

Bush: The buck stops anywhere but here.

Foxfyre's bizarre rants continue to flabbergast me.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 09:42 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Hmm, I bet every last one of us were having breakfast, going to work, going to the gym, having sex, and/or otherwise going about our lives while people died too.



Speak for yourself. I was totally riveted, emotionally devastated and unable to focus on day-to-day life. It's called compassion and something that the narcissistic Bush apologists lack.

And I am not the POTUS!!!
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 09:45 am
woiyo wrote:
And what exactly was the government closest to the people doing to protect their citizens again???

It isn't ignorance of facts that causes people to just look to the feds to solve all mankinds problems. It stupidity.


Funny that the real morons are the ones alkways accusing everyone of being stupid.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 09:49 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
While Bush was busy vacationing, fundraising and pretending to play a guitar, people died:

http://www.bu.edu/globalbeat/jpg/Bush-guitar.jpg


See how concerned he looks. It is outrageous that anyone would try to defend this clown's actions during Katrina.

Remember the pictures of the photo ops in which he had rescue workers pose instead of doing their job.

You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie!
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 10:08 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
woiyo wrote:
And what exactly was the government closest to the people doing to protect their citizens again???

It isn't ignorance of facts that causes people to just look to the feds to solve all mankinds problems. It stupidity.


Funny that the real morons are the ones alkways accusing everyone of being stupid.


Again, what exactly was the government closest to the people doing to protect their citizens???
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 10:18 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
See how concerned he looks. It is outrageous that anyone would try to defend this clown's actions during Katrina.


I opened up the paper this morning and front page headline is "Bush and Chertoff were warned about Katrina." I came to work and checked Fox online, and headline is "Bush, Chertoff warned about Katrina." Then I check this forum and read stuff like the above.

Am I in the twilight zone here? This is the very reason the news media is viewed as a bunch of absolute idiots. I remember very clearly that everybody was warned about Katrina, for days. Warnings about the levees were in place for years, if not decades. Liberals, wake up you absolute dopes. Are you so absolutely helpless to do anything for yourselves? Do you blame every last shred of everything on George Bush? I am losing patience with this insanity. It is so patently stupid, I have to pinch myself to see if you are actually saying some of this nonsense. Grow up.

Thanks for this forum. I feel better.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 10:29 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Hmm, I bet every last one of us were having breakfast, going to work, going to the gym, having sex, and/or otherwise going about our lives while people died too.



Speak for yourself. I was totally riveted, emotionally devastated and unable to focus on day-to-day life. It's called compassion and something that the narcissistic Bush apologists lack.

And I am not the POTUS!!!


So those are the qualities you seek in the POTUS? Someone who gets emotionally involved to the point of being devastated, and who is unable to focus due to that emotional devastation?
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 10:31 am
woiyo wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
woiyo wrote:
And what exactly was the government closest to the people doing to protect their citizens again???

It isn't ignorance of facts that causes people to just look to the feds to solve all mankinds problems. It stupidity.


Funny that the real morons are the ones alkways accusing everyone of being stupid.


Again, what exactly was the government closest to the people doing to protect their citizens???


Gee, if I wasn't so stupid I could figure out how to link it. Look it up yourself.

Red herrings, blame-shifting and denials is all you got, even someone as stupid as I am can see that.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 10:34 am
Roxxxanne wrote:

Red herrings, blame-shifting and denials is all you got, even someone as stupid as I am can see that.


I get it. Its George Bush's fault, everybody. EVERYTHING is Bush's fault.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 10:35 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Hmm, I bet every last one of us were having breakfast, going to work, going to the gym, having sex, and/or otherwise going about our lives while people died too.



Speak for yourself. I was totally riveted, emotionally devastated and unable to focus on day-to-day life. It's called compassion and something that the narcissistic Bush apologists lack.

And I am not the POTUS!!!


So those are the qualities you seek in the POTUS? Someone who gets emotionally involved to the point of being devastated, and who is unable to focus due to that emotional devastation?


What part of I am not the POTUS didn't you understand? Do I need to post it in a bigger font? A feeble attempt at a red herring BTW. Are you this incompetent in court. Little wonder that you have so few billable hours that you fiddle away your business day at a2k.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 10:37 am
Quote:
S.F. supervisors ask lawmakers to impeach Bush
- Edward Epstein, Charlie Goodyear, Chronicle Staff Writers
Wednesday, March 1, 2006

San Francisco's supervisors jumped into national politics Tuesday, passing a resolution asking the city's Democratic congressional delegation to seek the impeachment of President Bush for failing to perform his duties by leading the country into war in Iraq, eroding civil liberties and engaging in other activities the board sees as transgressions.

...

Supervisor Chris Daly, one of the most progressive members of the board, sponsored the resolution, which also calls for the impeachment of Vice President Dick Cheney. Daly said the measure is justified in light of the administration's case for and handling of the war in Iraq, the federal government's inadequate response to Hurricane Katrina and recent revelations about a domestic wiretapping program.


LOL. You have to give San Francisco credit for being on the cutting edge of the leftist wacko fringe in this country.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 11:26 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
woiyo wrote:
And what exactly was the government closest to the people doing to protect their citizens again???

It isn't ignorance of facts that causes people to just look to the feds to solve all mankinds problems. It stupidity.


Funny that the real morons are the ones alkways accusing everyone of being stupid.


Again, what exactly was the government closest to the people doing to protect their citizens???


Gee, if I wasn't so stupid I could figure out how to link it. Look it up yourself.

Red herrings, blame-shifting and denials is all you got, even someone as stupid as I am can see that.


So is THAT what the government closest to the people were doing? Blame shifting, denials?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 11:49 am
woiyo wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Gee, if I wasn't so stupid I could figure out how to link it. Look it up yourself.

Red herrings, blame-shifting and denials is all you got, even someone as stupid as I am can see that.


So is THAT what the government closest to the people were doing? Blame shifting, denials?


Yes, and don't forget they were emotionally involved to the point of being devastated, and unable to focus due to that emotional devastation.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 12:16 pm
Tico writes (to Roxxanne)
Quote:
So those are the qualities you seek in the POTUS? Someone who gets emotionally involved to the point of being devastated, and who is unable to focus due to that emotional devastation?


I wonder what our GNP would be if the entire country was immobilized by every disaster or impending disaster? When at virtually all times some people in the country will be in harm's way in a tornado warning or in the path of an oncoming wildfire, or a river is rising, or landslides are occurring after drenching rains or a hurricane is on its way or a massive earthquake is overdue, if we were all supposed to stop in our tracks and be immobilized by 'compassion', nothing would ever get done ever. The President would be spending all his time focused on disasters and impending disasters instead of him doing his job and expecting those in charge to be doing theirs.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 01:03 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Tico writes (to Roxxanne)
Quote:
So those are the qualities you seek in the POTUS? Someone who gets emotionally involved to the point of being devastated, and who is unable to focus due to that emotional devastation?


I wonder what our GNP would be if the entire country was immobilized by every disaster or impending disaster? When at virtually all times some people in the country will be in harm's way in a tornado warning or in the path of an oncoming wildfire, or a river is rising, or landslides are occurring after drenching rains or a hurricane is on its way or a massive earthquake is overdue, if we were all supposed to stop in our tracks and be immobilized by 'compassion', nothing would ever get done ever. The President would be spending all his time focused on disasters and impending disasters instead of him doing his job and expecting those in charge to be doing theirs.


Hey...It gonna snow today up in the Northeast. How come the Homeboy Security Dept is not mobilizing the National Guard to shovel the snow. What do these politicians expect from us? I pay my taxes, and gosh darnit, I want the sidewalks shoveled! GW SUCKS!
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Stradee
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2006 01:54 pm
GW is shovelin' darlin' - only it ain't snow...
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