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Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 12:43 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
There was a farmhouse visible from the place where the car went off the road and the people were home. I can't remember if any other cars went by that could have been flagged down. But the reports are clear that there was a bubble of air available to Mary Jo for some time after the car submerged, and had Kennedy not left the scene of the accident but had summoned help, it is very possible that Mary Jo could have been saved.


Got a link about that "bubble of air"

Anon


Go here...

http://www.ytedk.com/index.htm

And click on the part that says Photo's and Evidence.
There you will see the actual police report,as well as photo's from the scene and other evidence.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 12:56 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:
Lash wrote:
It was glaring evidence of his character--the lengths he would go to save his hide.

Saving her would have, at worst, given his wife a good case to clean his clock in a divorce. The reckless vehicular homicide--or whatever the charge would have been there, would have been easy to buy off. So, he let that girl drown for money.


How long does it take to drown Lash?

Anon

Depends on the pocket of air you may have access to and how long before the car moves.

He got out. Most men, and some women, wouldn't have left her there. They would have tried to save her.

...and I see this is the same thing MM has already said.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 12:59 pm
But since I said it,anon considers it an automatic lie.

Thats ok,I am done with him.

BTW Lash,did you get that PM?
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 12:59 pm
FROM MM's "PROOF" Rolling Eyes


Quote:
"Farrar thrust himself through the open window and into the car. Looking up, he found the body of a young woman. Her head was cocked back, her face pressed into the footwell. Both hands gripped the front edge of the back seat to hold herself in conformity with its upholstered contours. It was not the position assumed by a person knocked unconscious by the impact of a crash, Farrar said. "If she had been dead or unconscious, she would have been prone, sinking to the bottom or floating on top. She definitely was holding herself in a position to avail herself of the last remaining air that had to be trapped in the car."


Let's see... she had a large bubble of air, enough to "last her for two hours".

If she had that much time, why did a fully concious, totally aware MaryJo not leave through the same open window that Kennedy did?? She had TWO HOURS of air to figure it out ... she was "awake', "aware", "fully concious", and every bit as capable as the totally drunk Kennedy, to LEAVE through the OPEN WINDOW!

Why didn't she??

Anon
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 01:04 pm
To be honest,that is a good question,BUT,that still doesnt change the fact that Teddy abandoned her.

Why did he do that?

Look at the photo's.There was a house 450' away,and Kennedy KNEW it was there.
Why did he go AWAY from the house after the accident?
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 01:09 pm
mysteryman wrote:
To be honest,that is a good question,BUT,that still doesnt change the fact that Teddy abandoned her.

Why did he do that?

Look at the photo's.There was a house 450' away,and Kennedy KNEW it was there.
Why did he go AWAY from the house after the accident?


We've been through all that MM. I wish A2K were easier to search so I could find this discussion we've already had and save the time!!

Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 01:12 pm
Maybe she just thought, Gee, I think I'll stay here and drown to prove what a scumbag Teddy Kennedy is!!

Anon
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 01:13 pm
One time in a large public pool I got trapped under an enormous seagoing rubber raft. It's dark, it's scary, and I couldn't seem to be able to get out from under it as I was running out of air. Drowining seemed a distinct possibility at that time. I came up into an air pocket under the boat and was able to get a deep breath to try again to swim out. Which I did. But it was tough leaving that air pocket.

Naval pilots are trained in a device that crashes them upside down into water. They not only have to hold their breath long enough to disengage themselves from the device but figure out which way is up and get to the surface in time. Quite a few of these young men who are sober and in top physical condition are too disoriented to do that and have to be rescued.

Mary Jo had been drinking, was submerged after midnight--it would be quite dark--following a crash into water cold enough that hypothermia was definitely a problem. Once she found an air pocket she would likely have no diea what part of the car it was in or where the 'exits' might be, and would not likely leave the air pocket.

There is no guarantee that Kennedy absolutely could have gotten help in time to have saved her. But he didn't even try.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 01:40 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
But he didn't even try.


There is no way for you to know that! He may have been too drunk to be able to help her, but you can't know he didn't try ... Just as no one else here can.

Anon
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 01:48 pm
I know he didn't try because he testified he didn't try. Is that good enough? And I don't consider being drunk an excuse for anything. If he was too drunk to know to get help to help her, he damn sure had no business driving that tnight. Either way it is criminal negligance.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 02:14 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I know he didn't try because he testified he didn't try. Is that good enough? And I don't consider being drunk an excuse for anything. If he was too drunk to know to get help to help her, he damn sure had no business driving that tnight. Either way it is criminal negligance.


FROM MM's PROOF

Quote:
The following is the written statement given by Ted Kennedy to Police Chief Dominick Arena on the morning of July19,1969. Throughout the legal proceedings, the Senator stuck to this version of events despite contradictory evidence and witness testimony. Perhaps as important as the inaccuracies within the statement is the fact that so many important details are conspicuously absent.

"On July 18, 1969, at approximately 11:15 PM in Chappaquiddick, Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, I was driving my car on Main Street on my way to get the ferry back to Edgartown. I was unfamiliar with the road and turned right onto Dike Road, instead of bearing hard left on Main Street. After proceeding for approximately one-half mile on Dike Road I descended a hill and came upon a narrow bridge. The car went off the side of the bridge. There was one passenger with me, one Miss Mary ________( There was a blank space here because Kennedy was not sure of the spelling of the dead girl's last name, and instead offered a rough phonetic approximation ), a former secretary of my brother Sen. Robert Kennedy. The car turned over and sank into the water and landed with the roof resting on the bottom. I attempted to open the door and the window of the car but have no recollection of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt. I was exhausted and in a state of shock. I recall walking back to where my friends were eating. There was a car parked in front of the cottage and I climbed into the back seat. I then asked for someone to bring me back to Edgartown. I remember walking around for a period of time and then going back to my hotel room. When I fully realized what had happened this morning, I immediately contacted the police."


According to his statement, he did try (in red). Let's see your link that says he testified that he didn't try to help her. Notice I'm using MM's proof to question your statements. Frankly, I don't think a website designed to destroy someone as a valid source, but I'll use it because it anyway ... and it IS MM's "PROOF"!!

It's a simple drunk driving accident ... a misdemeanor ... at best. Anything beyond that is rightwing mental masturbation!!

Anon
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 02:32 pm
If I remember right (because I have the same strong impression you do, Fox), Ted changed his story. He didn't try to help, and then, he did...

MM-- Yes. I'm ducking in and out, and working on coursework, but I plan to read it. Thank you.

I'll look around to see what gives us that impression.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 02:36 pm
Lash wrote:
If I remember right (because I have the same strong impression you do, Fox), Ted changed his story. He didn't try to help, and then, he did...

MM-- Yes. I'm ducking in and out, and working on coursework, but I plan to read it. Thank you.

I'll look around to see what gives us that impression.


I'm just quoting from the "PROOF" that MM has supplied us with. If you have some different version of the rightwing "PROOF", I'll be glad to look at it!

Anon
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 02:52 pm
Where in your 'proof' do you see "called for help"; 'tried to flag down cars', 'went to the nearby cottage where the lights were on?' or any other 'proof' that he made any attempt to get help? My comment specfically referenced that he made no attempt to get any help to save her.

If his account of 'walking back to where his friends were eating', 'climbing into the back seat of the car at the cottage', or "got somebody to drive him back. . . .' are accurate; where is the part where he took anybody back to the scene and tried to rescue her that night?

If you as a concerned citizen couldn't see inside the car, didn't know where she was, and failed to determine that by diving, wouldn't your next instinct be to get help?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 03:06 pm
That story is crazy. His cousin, who used to cover things up for him (and brothers), tells a pretty damning account.

Whether or not cousin is honest, Ted's own account is damning.


and fruity.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 03:08 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Where in your 'proof' do you see "called for help"; 'tried to flag down cars', 'went to the nearby cottage where the lights were on?' or any other 'proof' that he made any attempt to get help? My comment specfically referenced that he made no attempt to get any help to save her.

If his account of 'walking back to where his friends were eating', 'climbing into the back seat of the car at the cottage', or "got somebody to drive him back. . . .' are accurate; where is the part where he took anybody back to the scene and tried to rescue her that night?


If we are to believe that she had two hours air as it is said by the site, she should have been able to escape without his help.

If she didn't, the longest known case of an adult surviving a "cold drowning" is 38 minutes.

If you want to believe MM's PROOF, it states that he tried to save her, and after diving several times and trying to find her, he sat down on the shore for 20 minutes out of exaustion and confusion. Don't forget now, I'm quoting MM's TRUTH!! She was dead before he left the shore.

So, no matter which "TRUTH" of MM's "TRUTH"you want to consider, she either was injured and drowned, or she was awake, aware, capable, and had two hours to escape!!

With either "PROOF" of MM's that you want to consider, it wasn't anything more than a simple drunk driving accident ... a misdemeanor, at best. Anything beyond that is as I said ... right wing mental mastrubation!!

Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 03:09 pm
Lash wrote:
That story is crazy. His cousin, who used to cover things up for him (and brothers), tells a pretty damning account.

Whether or not cousin is honest, Ted's own account is damning.


and fruity.


Link please ...

Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 03:12 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Where in your 'proof'


It's not MY proof, I'm quoting from MM's site!! Like I said before, if you want to enter some other version of rightwing "TRUTH", I'm happy to look at it!!

Anon
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Stradee
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 03:14 pm
ok, Laura got upset with her boyfriend and offed him at an intersection.

Ted was drunk, drove off a bridge, and probably forgot there was a passenger in the car!

Can we please stop the stupid argument cause nobody from the forum was even there!
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Stradee
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2006 03:19 pm
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