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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2006 07:54 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:

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My generation? Are you this clueless on purpose? We did not go in with sufficient force and, thus, created a catastrophe of such proportions that the damage to our prestige and to the region is unimaginable still.

Yes, it is intrinsic to too many of your generation to adopt the superficial and simplistic view of how to solve real problems. We did not create any catastrophe. We are working to solve the problem of prohibiting a catastrophe promoted by terrorist malignancy.

Do you really believe that problem is solvable by mere numbers of USA "boots on the ground?" Rolling Eyes

Unbelievable!

The peace will be won in Afghanistan and Iraq by Afghan and Iraqi "boots on the ground." It's the USA's job to help train those "boots" to defend themselves and their people, while exterminating as many terrorist malignancy as their and our "boots" are able. This will take time greater than that available in a typical show time.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2006 08:20 pm
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2006 08:22 pm
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 03:42 am
I hope Hadley's name doesn't disappear from people's radar screens, or the press.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 10:15 am
www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/libera.htm
Quote:
STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
October 31, 1998
STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT
Today I am signing into law H.R. 4655, the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998." This Act makes clear that it is the sense of the Congress that the United States should support those elements of the Iraqi opposition that advocate a very different future for Iraq than the bitter reality of internal repression and external aggression that the current regime in Baghdad now offers.

Let me be clear on what the U.S. objectives are: The United States wants Iraq to rejoin the family of nations as a freedom-loving and law-abiding member. This is in our interest and that of our allies within the region.

The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life.

My Administration has pursued, and will continue to pursue, these objectives through active application of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions. The evidence is overwhelming that such changes will not happen under the current Iraq leadership.

In the meantime, while the United States continues to look to the Security Council's efforts to keep the current regime's behavior in check, we look forward to new leadership in Iraq that has the support of the Iraqi people. The United States is providing support to opposition groups from all sectors of the Iraqi community that could lead to a popularly supported government.

On October 21, 1998, I signed into law the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1999, which made $8 million available for assistance to the Iraqi democratic opposition. This assistance is intended to help the democratic opposition unify, work together more effectively, and articulate the aspirations of the Iraqi people for a pluralistic, participa--tory political system that will include all of Iraq's diverse ethnic and religious groups. As required by the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for FY 1998 (Public Law 105-174), the Department of State submitted a report to the Congress on plans to establish a program to support the democratic opposition. My Administration, as required by that statute, has also begun to implement a program to compile information regarding allegations of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes by Iraq's current leaders as a step towards bringing to justice those directly responsible for such acts.

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 provides additional, discretionary authorities under which my Administration can act to further the objectives I outlined above. There are, of course, other important elements of U.S. policy. These include the maintenance of U.N. Security Council support efforts to eliminate Iraq's weapons and missile programs and economic sanctions that continue to deny the regime the means to reconstitute those threats to international peace and security. United States support for the Iraqi opposition will be carried out consistent with those policy objectives as well. Similarly, U.S. support must be attuned to what the opposition can effectively make use of as it develops over time. With those observations, I sign H.R. 4655 into law.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON
THE WHITE HOUSE,
October 31, 1998.
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 10:33 am
Supporting opposition groups is hardly the same as invasion and war.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 10:39 am
Of the 23 reasons (numbered in the quote below by me) given by the USA Congress in its October 2002 resolution in the form of whereases, 13 (shown in the quote below by me with boldface numbers: 1, 2, 7, 9, 10, 11, 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, 22, 23) have been proven true. The remaining 10 are not proven lies, but have been proven false in one or more respects. Please note, that reasons (10) and (11) are each independently, sufficient and proven reasons for invading Iraq.

www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf
Congress wrote:
Public Law 107-243 107th Congress Joint Resolution Oct. 16, 2002 (H.J. Res. 114) To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq

(1) Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

(2) Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

(3) Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

(4) Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

(5) Whereas in Public Law 105-235 (August 14, 1998), Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in `material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations' and urged the President `to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations';

(6) Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

(7) Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolution of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

(8) Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;

(9) Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

(10) Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

(11) Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;

(12) Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;

(13) Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;

(14) Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 (1990) and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 (1991), repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 (1991), and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949 (1994);

(15) Whereas in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1), Congress has authorized the President `to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolution 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677;

(16) Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),' that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and `constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,' and that Congress, `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688';

(17) Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

(18) Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to `work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge' posed by Iraq and to `work for the necessary resolutions,' while also making clear that `the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable';

(19) Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

(20) Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

(21) Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

(22) Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and,

(23) Whereas it is in the national security interests of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region:

Now therefore be it, Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, Authorization for use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. 50 USC 1541 note.


In this their resolution, did Congress lie and knowingly state falsities, or did Congress not lie and not knowingly state falsities?

I cannot find any evidence that in this their resolution Congress lied and knowingly stated falsities. Therefore, in this their resolution, I believe Congress did not lie and did not knowingly state falsities.
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 10:53 am
I would hate to be married to you, ican. There is no living with individuals with your personality traits.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2006 11:17 am
First: Facts.

After 9/11/2001, and before the USA invaded Afghanistan, the Bush administration demanded that the government of Afghanistan remove al-Qaeda from its country. The government of Afghanistan did not reply to our demand. The USA subsequently invaded Afghanistan.

After the USA invaded Afghanistan, the Bush adinistration demanded that the governments of Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria remove al Qaeda from their countries. The governments of Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria agreed to our demand. The governent of Iraq did not reply to our demand. The USA subsequently invaded Iraq.

At the time we invaded Iraq, al-Qaeda was in control of 12 villages in northeastern Iraq. USA Special Forces and Special Mission Operators, leading Kurdish Peshmerga fighters invaded these al-Qaeda camps, collecting evidence, taking prisoners, and killing all those who resisted, except, unfortunately, those who escaped.

Also at the time we invaded Iraq, several hundred foreign fighters from Egypt, Sudan, Syria, and Libya were being trained in a camp south of Baghdad. After the USA invaded Iraq, USA marines killed them all. Fortunately, none escaped.

Subseqent to the USA invasion of Iraq, Iran and Syria reneged on their agreement to remove al-Qaeda from their countries.

Second: What If?

But what if none of the governments of these countries had replied to our demand to remove al-Qaeda. In that case, would it have been wise not to invade any of them, because we lacked the means to invade them all? Or would it have been wiser to invade those countries in which al-Qaeda was most actively training terrorist fighters? In that regard, Afghanistan and Iraq were the best candidates for invasion until Syria and Iran reneged on their agreement to meet our demand to remove al-Qaeda.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 6 May, 2006 07:50 am
Sanchez defends his adherence to Geneva Conventions in
Posted on Fri, May. 05, 2006
U.S. general defends his adherence to Geneva Conventions in Iraq
By Joseph L. Galloway
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - The U.S. general who commanded coalition forces in Iraq at the time of the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal said Friday that he drew the line on what was allowed by the Geneva Conventions when he briefed military interrogators at the prison in August 2003.

Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez said that a news release this week by the American Civil Liberties Union, which said that the general told interrogators they could "go to the outer limits" in getting information from Iraqi prisoners, got it wrong.

In an exclusive interview with Knight Ridder Newspapers, Sanchez said that the guidance he gave to the interrogators "was that we should be conducting our interrogations to the limits of our authority - I never used the term `to the outer limits' - and making sure that we never crossed beyond what was authorized by the Geneva Convention and the Laws of War."

Sanchez said he gave the guidance to the interrogators and Army military intelligence officials during his first visit to Abu Ghraib, the prison near Baghdad, in mid-August 2003. At that time, the prison population had grown to a point where "I realized we had a detainee and an interrogation problem that had not been faced by our military in over 50 years," he said.

He said he grilled the prison personnel on what training they'd received, how they were supervising interrogations, who was approving interrogation plans and what safeguards were in place to prevent any violation of the Geneva Conventions, which govern the treatment of war prisoners.

"It was my duty to ensure that we were using everything that was allowed by the Geneva Convention to get the intelligence needed to save my soldiers' lives on that battlefield," Sanchez added. "Every document and discussion that was held in Iraq about interrogations highlighted the fact that we were bound by the Conventions."

Sanchez said the ACLU "is a bunch of sensationalist liars, I mean lawyers, that will distort any and all information that they get to draw attention to their positions."

So how did it all go terribly wrong when he'd given orders to work within the limits of the Geneva Conventions? Sanchez blamed the military police brigade assigned to guard the prison.

"Other than the MP escort that was with us as we walked through the prison, there were no MPs when I talked to the interrogators" and military intelligence personnel. "The problem is a catastrophic failure in leadership within the MP brigade, beginning with the brigadier general," he said.

That was Army Reserve Brig. Gen. Janice L. Karpinski, the commander at Abu Ghraib, who was officially reprimanded for her failure to command her troops properly.

Sanchez's description of his instructions, however, leaves many unanswered questions about how harsher interrogation techniques migrated to Abu Ghraib from the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, when the abuse was first discovered and why it wasn't ended and the perpetrators punished immediately.

It also remains unclear whether any higher-ranking military officers or civilian officials at the U.S. Central Command, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Department of the Army, the office of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld or the White House may have given interrogators greater leeway than Sanchez did.

Sanchez told Knight Ridder that no one on his small staff was experienced in detention and strategic and operation intelligence gathering. He said that only some had field experience in tactical interrogation but no formal training.

"When I met the interrogators it immediately became crystal clear to me that they had not been trained properly, they had no mechanism for providing oversight of the interrogations . . . and they were desperate for higher headquarters guidance," Sanchez added.

That was when Sanchez said he gave them his guidance on going to the limit but no further and began the process of publishing the September and October 2003 Interrogation Rules of Engagement memos.

Sanchez, who transferred to duty in Germany as a corps commander in July 2004 after 14 months in command in Iraq, has seen the fallout from the prisoner abuse scandal halt a rapid rise in his career.

Although he's been exonerated in official investigations of the prison scandal by the Army and the Department of Defense, his nomination for a fourth star and command of the U.S. Southern Command in Miami was quietly withdrawn when it became apparent that hearings on Capitol Hill on his promotion would dissolve into a firestorm over Pentagon and White House interrogation policies. Sanchez is now expected to retire at the end of this summer and move to San Antonio in his native Texas.

He would have been only the second Hispanic to reach four-star rank in the Army. The first was retired Gen. Richard Cavazos, a south Texas native like Sanchez.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 6 May, 2006 06:50 pm
PERSPECTIVE ON THE PROBLEMS THE USA MUST SOLVE
Listed in priority order

1. The terrorist malignancy's war on American civilians.
2. The terrorist malignancy's war on non-Muslim civilians throughout the world.
3. Intelligence gathering
4. Child molestation.
5. Price of oil.
6. Federal spending.
7. Illegal immigrants.
8. Tort awards.
9. Illegal voting.
10. Campaign finance.
11. Political fraud.
12. Federal taxes.
13. Abuse of terrorist malignancy prisoners.
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 05:14 am
<snicker>

The USDA on Iraq: Everything's Coming Up Rosy

Read more of this farce at above source.

"Career appointees at the Department of Agriculture were stunned last week to receive e-mailed instructions that include Bush administration "talking points" -- saying things such as "President Bush has a clear strategy for victory in Iraq" -- in every speech they give for the department.

"The President has requested that all members of his cabinet and sub-cabinet incorporate message points on the Global War on Terror into speeches, including specific examples of what each agency is doing to aid the reconstruction of Iraq," the May 2 e-mail from USDA speechwriter Heather Vaughn began.

The e-mail, sent to about 60 undersecretaries, assistant secretaries and other political appointees, was also sent to "a few people to whom it should not have gone," said the department's communications director, Terri Teuber . The career people, we are assured, are not being asked to spread the great news on Iraq in their talks to food stamp recipients, disadvantaged farmers, enviros or other folks.

The e-mail provided language "being used by Secretary [Michael O.] Johanns and deputy secretary [Charles F.] Conner in all of their remarks and is being sent to you for inclusion in your speeches."

Another attachment "contains specific examples of GWOT messages within agriculture speeches. Please use these message points as often as possible and send Harry Phillips , USDA's director of speechwriting, a weekly email summarizing the event, date and location of each speech incorporating the attached language. Your responses will be included in a weekly account sent to the White House."

This scoreboard, of course, will ensure you give it your best shot.

Now, you might still be scratching your heads, trying to figure out how this is going to work when people expect a talk about agriculture issues. Not to worry. The attachments -- which can be viewed at http://www.washingtonpost.com/fedpage -- show how easy it is to work a little Iraq happy talk into just about anything."
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 05:42 am
more happy talk

Quote:
Death squads deepen division in Baghdad

Bombs Sunday killed at least 30; some 45 men were found slain in the capital.
By Dan Murphy | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

BAGHDAD - Three apparently coordinated car-bomb attacks in Baghdad and Karbala killed around 30 people Sunday, as Iraqi politicians said they were near agreement on cabinet posts for a new government that they promise will come to grips with the country's deteriorating security situation.

The morning blasts were accompanied by reports that the bodies of about 45 men were found in various parts of Baghdad within 24 hours from Saturday morning. Most were bound, some bearing signs of torture, and all shot in the head.

Ever since the Feb. 22 bombing of a major Shiite shrine in the city of Samarra touched off dozens of reprisal attacks on Sunni mosques, Iraqis have reported a sharp rise in attacks at the hands of both Shiite and Sunni Arab death squads.

A Baghdad health official says there have been at least 2,500 murders in the capital since the Samarra shrine attack, adding that those numbers don't include the victims of mass-casualty attacks like those Sunday.

Today, Baghdad appears to be more divided and war-torn than at any point since the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime. Most basic services are at an all-time low (Baghdad is averaging about three hours of power a day) and traditionally mixed Shiite and Sunni Arab neighborhoods continue to feel the impact of the slow seeping away of their diversity as families flee across the city's confessional front lines.

Now, in addition to the four or so well-organized and armed nongovernment militias operating in this diverse city, small armed neighborhood militias are springing up in dozens of neighborhoods.

At around 9 p.m. each night, they roll palm trunks, rusty barrels or other obstacles onto the streets, trusting their protection to no one but themselves, say many residents of Baghdad.

"We've been told over and over that the political process is going to make us safer, but all we see are parties fighting over ministries so they can get jobs and money for themselves,'' says Ahmed, who helped organize a neighborhood militia in Baghdad's Al-Amal district. "If we don't protect ourselves, no one will."

Ahmed, a Shiite who asked that his full name not be used, says his decision to take action came after two pickup trucks with machine guns mounted in the back and filled with men wearing Interior Ministry commando uniforms streamed down his street at the end of February and took 17 men away.

His father's best friend - "we weren't related but I called him uncle" - was one of the men taken, after the men came to his door and asked for him by name. And Ahmed was among the young men that found the bodies of all 17 in a ditch the next morning, most bearing signs they'd been tortured with drills before their deaths.

"We called the ministry as soon as they were taken,'' he says. "They said they didn't know anything about it."

The good news about Ahmed's group is that it is a mix of Shiites and Sunni Arabs, and is being given a relatively free hand to control the neighborhood. He says a friend in the government got them the frequencies for 20 hand-held radios that they use to coordinate their checkpoints, and US patrols don't bother them.

"The humvees just roll right on by now,'' he says. "When we started, the Americans came to us, said they know we're guards, and told us as long as we don't point our weapons at them everything should be OK."

Still, more and more of the city's residents are being pushed into the arms of militias, many of which have either political agendas, are involved in criminal activity, or both.

The owner of an auto-parts store in downtown Baghdad says he is visited once a month by a group of men with pistols tucked under their shirts, demanding $300 in protection money. "They say they're with the insurgency and that they're protecting me from worse things,'' he says. "Who knows the truth ... I just pay. We all pay."

Abu Omar, a barrel-chested Sunni Arab and former policeman, knew who his attackers were at the end of last month. He was living in Baladiyat, a neighborhood in East Baghdad on the edge of Sadr City, which has 2 million residents who are more or less controlled by Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia.

Around midnight, seven cars roared down his street. One of the vehicles, a Toyota Landcruiser, burst through his front gate while men with rifles, grenades, and black masks poured into his yard, breaking the windows in his car and at the front of his house with their rifle butts, shouting "where's Omar, where's Omar,'' the name of his 18-year-old son.

Omar scrambled over a back fence and found safety in a neighbor's house, while his father was taken away for five hours of interrogation. "They told me that they were from the Mahdi Army and I thought these were my last moments on earth,'' he says. "But after a while they got a call, and decided to let me go. But they also told me they'd kill my son when they got him."

Abu Omar says the men told them they were killing all young men named Omar and Bakar - popular Sunni names borrowed from early Islamic caliphs hated by Shiites. They said they would be back for his son. After his release he called the police for protection. "They told me that close to Sadr City there's nothing they could do for a Sunni."

The next day, like hundreds of Iraqi families, both Shiite and Sunni Arab, he fled his old neighborhood. In his case, he sought safety in a Sunni area to the west of the Tigris.

Despite promises from Iraq's new Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki that Iraq's militias would be reined in, groups like the fighters loyal to Mr. Sadr - who helped Mr. Maliki secure his new post - are becoming more assertive.

When a British helicopter was shot down in the largely Shiite southern city of Basra Saturday, killing the five men aboard, about 300 of Sadr's supporters rallied to attack British forces, who were moving to secure the wreckage and search for survivors, with Molotov cocktails and stones, setting four British armored vehicles alight.
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 06:37 am
And so, it continues.....
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 06:25 pm
The number of non-combatant civilians killed by violence since 01/01/2000, as of:
12/31/2002 (1096 days) -- total = 60,636 -- approximate average monthly rate / daily rate = 1,684.3 / 55.3;

The number of non-combatant civilians killed by violence since 01/01/2003, as of:
12/31/2005 (1095 days) -- total = 31,319 -- approximate average monthly rate / daily rate = 870.0 / 28.6;
01/31/2006 (1126 days) -- total = 31,928 -- approximate average monthly rate / daily rate = 862.9 / 28.4;
02/28/2006 (1154 days) -- total = 32,506 -- approximate average monthly rate / daily rate = 855.4 / 28.2;
03/31/2006 (1185 days) -- total = 38,161 -- approximate average monthly rate / daily rate = 978.5 / 32.2;
04/30/2006 (1215 days) -- total = 39,024 -- approximate average monthly rate / daily rate = 975.6 / 32.1.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 06:37 pm
revel wrote:
more happy talk
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Quote:
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Iraqi politicians said they were near agreement on cabinet posts for a new government that they promise will come to grips with the country's deteriorating security situation.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 06:53 pm
The central flaw in American foreign policy up to 9/11/2001 was a failure to timely and properly assess the degree of threat to the security of the American people presented by the growing terrorist malignancy.

President Carter: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1997915#1997915

President Reagan 1st term: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2000481#2000481

President Reagan 2nd term: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2001760#2001760

President Bush (41): http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2002844#2002844

President Clinton 1st term: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2007933#2007933

President Clinton 2nd term: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2009392#2009392

President Bush (43) 1st term: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2011221#2011221

The central flaw in American foreign policy after 9/11/2001 was a failure to timely and properly assess the degree of threat to the security of the people of Afghanistan and Iraq presented by the growing terrorist malignancy.

President Bush (43) 2nd term: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2012505#2012505

Rates of Iraqi civilians killed by violence: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2025231#2025231
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sumac
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 03:20 am
What point (s) are you implying within the context of the same, repetitive postings from your clipboard of the same citations (with dates), and statistics about cumulative and average killings?
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sumac
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 03:23 am
There are those within this administration who obviously are adherents of the position that if you say something with conviction often enough, then you can make a great number of people believe that it is true. Or worse, then you can actually make it true in reality.

Is that your position?
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 07:44 am
Your right Ican in that it is a plus that some decisions on who gets what were able to be made. There are still some decision left to make and it remains to be seen what effect having a formed government will have on stemming the killings carried out among the factions. I am hopeful that at some point these differences can be worked out for the good of Iraqis. Personally I think the divisions among the Kurds, Sunnis and the Shiite's is too strong to be able to really work together.

Key Obstacle in Forming Iraq Govt Resolved

Quote:
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq's prime minister-designate said Tuesday the main stumbling blocks to forming a new Cabinet have been overcome and he expects to present his team to parliament for approval by the end of the week.

Nouri al-Maliki said representatives of the country's political parties had agreed on what factions would hold the "main posts" but were still discussing the distribution of "a few" of them. Those included the ministries of oil, trade and transportation, he said.

The incoming prime minister declined to spell out the distribution of ministries, including key posts of interior, which controls police, and defense, which runs the army. U.S. and British officials have insisted those posts go to people without ties to sectarian militias, believed responsible for many of the revenge killings of Sunnis and Shiites.

"The direction we took, and which was agreed upon by the political groups, was that the two who will occupy these posts be independent and unaffiliated with a party or a militia," he said at a news conference.

Al-Maliki, a Shiite, said he hoped to present the Cabinet to parliament by the end of the week. Parliament must approve each minister by a majority vote.

Since he was nominated prime minister last month, Al-Maliki has struggled to complete the final step in establishing the new Iraqi government.

U.S. officials hope the formation of a unity government will help calm sectarian tensions, lure Sunni Arabs away from the insurgency and eventually allow the withdrawal of some American forces.

But the process has been plagued by ethnic and sectarian tension and deadly attacks by insurgents, and al-Maliki has been working to balance the conflicting interests of Shiite, Sunni Arab and Kurdish legislators.

The Interior Ministry, currently headed by Bayan Jabr, a Shiite, has come under criticism from Sunnis who say that Shiite "death squads" are routinely targeting their community.

Sunni Arabs also have jockeyed for key ministries such as oil and finance. But those posts had largely been allocated to the United Iraqi Alliance, the Shiite bloc with the largest number of seats in the parliament.

As for the prominent Foreign Ministry, lawmakers have repeatedly said that this portfolio will remain in the hands of the Kurds, who also hold the presidency.

Meanwhile, the Committee to Protect Journalists condemned the killing of an Iraqi reporter and a media worker whose bodies were discovered south of Baghdad on Monday. Violence continued in the volatile area with the discovery of the headless corpses of three Iraqi soldiers floating in the Tigris River, apparently the latest victims of death squads that had kidnapped and killed hundreds of Sunnis and Shiites in recent months.

Laith al-Dulaimi, a reporter for the privately owned TV station Al-Nahrain, and Muazaz Ahmed Barood, a telephone operator for the station, were kidnapped by men disguised as police officers while driving home to Madain, a town 12 miles southeast of Baghdad, said Abdulkarim al-Mehdawi, the station's general manager.

Their bodies were discovered at al-Wihda district, 20 miles south of Baghdad. Both men, in their late 20s, had been shot in the chest, al-Mehdawi said.

In the last year alone, at least 35 Iraqis have been killed in and around Madain, a tense Shiite-Sunni area, according to an Associated Press count.

"We are saddened by the loss of our colleagues Laith al-Dulaimi and Muazaz Barood," said Ann Cooper, executive director of the Committee to Protect Journalists. "Their senseless murder reflects the continuing dangers for journalists working in Iraq.

Al-Dulaimi became a reporter for Al-Nahrain four months ago. Barood had been working at the station since it was established just over a year and a half ago.

Al-Mehdawi told the committee that neither the station nor the journalists had ever received threats, and the motive behind the killings was unclear.

The New York-based organization said 69 journalists and 25 media support workers have been killed in Iraq since the war began in March 2003, making it the deadliest conflict for the media in recent history.

In other violence reported by police Tuesday,

• Two drive-by shootings killed three Iraqis in Baghdad.

• The tortured bodies of 12 Iraqis were found, four in the capital, one in northern Iraq, and seven in a river 30 miles south of Baghdad.

• A roadside bomb hit a police car in Baghdad, killing one officer and wounding two.
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