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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

 
 
Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2006 02:16 pm
http://www.alternet.org/rights/32647/
Detention centers

Plus, there was that curious development in January when the Army Corps of Engineers awarded Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root a $385 million contract to construct detention centers somewhere in the United States, to deal with "an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs," KBR said.

Later, the New York Times reported that "KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space."

Like most news stories on the KBR contract, the Times focused on concerns about Halliburton's reputation for bilking U.S. taxpayers by overcharging for sub-par services. "It's hard to believe that the administration has decided to entrust Halliburton with even more taxpayer dollars," remarked Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.

Less attention centered on the phrase "rapid development of new programs" and what kind of programs would require a major expansion of detention centers, each capable of holding 5,000 people. Jamie Zuieback, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, declined to elaborate on what these "new programs" might be.

Only a few independent journalists, such as Peter Dale Scott and Maureen Farrell, have pursued what the Bush administration might actually be thinking.

Scott speculated that the "detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law." He recalled that during the Reagan administration, National Security Council aide Oliver North organized Rex-84 "readiness exercise," which contemplated the Federal Emergency Management Agency rounding up and detaining 400,000 "refugees," in the event of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States.

Farrell pointed out that because "another terror attack is all but certain, it seems far more likely that the centers would be used for post-911-type detentions of immigrants rather than a sudden deluge" of immigrants flooding across the border.

Vietnam-era whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said, "Almost certainly this is preparation for a roundup after the next 9/11 for Mid-Easterners, Muslims and possibly dissenters. They've already done this on a smaller scale, with the 'special registration' detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantanamo."
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2006 07:22 pm
revel wrote:

...
... How do you think journalist have been able to write the news if some of them are not actually in Iraq and Afghanistan themselves? Journalist have been putting it on the line and some have been killed or kidnapped in the attempt to do it.
...

Some journalists are in Iraq and are "putting it on the line and some have been killed or kidnapped in the attempt to do it."
Some journalists are not in Iraq and are not "putting it on the line" and are not being "killed or kidnapped in their attempt to" not do it.

Some journalists in Iraq are representing the true opinion of the great majority of our troops in Iraq that the Iraq war is necessary.
Some journalists in Iraq are mis-representing the true opinion of the great majority of our troops in Iraq that the Iraq war is necessary.

Some journalists in America are representing the true opinion of the great majority of our troops in Iraq that the Iraq war is necessary.
Some journalists in America are mis-representing the true opinion of the great majority of our troops in Iraq that the Iraq war is necessary.

I previously recommended that those journalists in America that are mis-representing the true opinion of the great majority of our troops in Iraq that the Iraq war is necessary, go to Iraq to learn the true opinion of the great majority of our troops in Iraq that the Iraq war is necessary.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2006 07:32 pm
THE WAR ON MALIGNANCY

The war in Iraq and Afghanistan is a necessary war on a malignancy.

The malignancy forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are mass murdering civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is Evil!

The anti-malignancy forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are mass murdering malignancy forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is Good!
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2006 07:50 pm
The closest thing that I have seen to a malignancy is that thing squatting in the oval office. He's been like a nasty cancer rapidly spewing his nasty rotting cells world wide.

Then too, those who cheer & call for never ending war would certainly qualify as some sort of malignancy.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2006 08:39 pm
Magginkat wrote:

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those who cheer & call for never ending war would certainly qualify as some sort of malignancy.


"Those who cheer & call for never ending war" are in fact malignancy.

Some allege that malignancy grows in the middle east because America contained, stabilized, and supported tyrants in the middle east.

Some allege that malignancy grows in the middle east because America removed tyrants in the middle east.

Some allege that malignancy grows in the middle east because American troops are based in the middle east.

Some allege that malignancy grows in the middle east because Americans reside in the middle east.

I allege that the malignancy grows in the middle east because of what it has designed and made itself to be.

Malignancy’s doctrine is a doctrine of death that despises doctrines of life, because it hates itself and its own responsibility for the state of its own life. Malignancy has nothing to blame for the state of its own life but itself. Malignancy seeks to escape its responsibility for the state of its own life by sacrificing some of its own life to destroy or gain control of the human life it envies. Americans seek to limit the destruction of human life in order to free human life. That, and the capabilities and accomplishments of Americans is the primary reason Americans are despised by malignancy.

Here’s but one of many reasons I allege what I allege:
1. Osama Bin Laden "Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places"-1996.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
Quote:
I say to you ... These youths [love] death as you love life. …
Those youths know that their rewards in fighting you, the USA, is double than their rewards in fighting some one else not from the people of the book. They have no intention except to enter paradise by killing you. An infidel, and enemy of God like you, cannot be in the same hell with his righteous executioner.
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2006 09:40 pm
Tico, really, Reilly is really out there. He threatened to call security for because someone called and mentioned Olbermann's name.

Quote:
O'REILLY: Orlando, Florida, Mike, go.

CALLER: Hey Bill, I appreciate you taking my call.

O'REILLY: Sure.

CALLER: I like to listen to you during the day, I think Keith Olbermann's show --

O'REILLY: There ya go, Mike is -- he's a gone guy. You know, we have his -- we have your phone numbers, by the way. So, if you're listening, Mike, we have your phone number, and we're going to turn it over to Fox security, and you'll be getting a little visit.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200603030010

Also it is entirely typical that deaths and kidnapping of the journalist and Laura Ingraham's statement about hotels would go right over your head.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2006 10:58 pm
revel wrote:
Tico, really, Reilly is really out there. He threatened to call security for because someone called and mentioned Olbermann's name.


We don't know what that caller said because they cut him off, but based on E.D. Hill's reaction, you know as well as I that he said more than Olbermann's name.
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 07:11 am
Tico, look at the transcript, it is clear and plain that the caller merely mentioned Keith Olbermann's name and then O'Reilly went beserk.

Quote:
CALLER: I like to listen to you during the day, I think Keith Olbermann's show --


and the O'Reilly said:

Quote:
O'REILLY: There ya go, Mike is -- he's a gone guy. You know, we have his -- we have your phone numbers, by the way. So, if you're listening, Mike, we have your phone number, and we're going to turn it over to Fox security, and you'll be getting a little visit.


But in any event, I don't want to derail this thread so never mind.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 09:39 am
revel wrote:
Tico, look at the transcript, it is clear and plain that the caller merely mentioned Keith Olbermann's name and then O'Reilly went beserk.

Quote:
CALLER: I like to listen to you during the day, I think Keith Olbermann's show --


and the O'Reilly said:

Quote:
O'REILLY: There ya go, Mike is -- he's a gone guy. You know, we have his -- we have your phone numbers, by the way. So, if you're listening, Mike, we have your phone number, and we're going to turn it over to Fox security, and you'll be getting a little visit.


But in any event, I don't want to derail this thread so never mind.


Actually, what was said is neither clear nor plain. You do understand radio talk shows have a standard seven-second delay built in to prevent people like Mike from saying live on the air whatever it was he said that caused him to get cut off, don't you? So, what Mike really said to get cut off occurred in the 7 seconds following his utterance of "Olbermann's show..." You claim it was just the mentioning of Olbermann's name that caused O'Reilly to react, but if that were true it doesn't explain why O'Reilly would have waited 7 seconds to hit the dump button. Obviously something else was said that we aren't privy to.

[/derail]
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 11:11 am
It was made plain and clear a night or two later when the young man appeared on Olbermann's show with the recording of the coversation...... He said nothing but Olbermann's name!
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 11:12 am
Magginkat wrote:
It was made plain and clear a night or two later when the young man appeared on Olbermann's show with the recording of the coversation...... He said nothing but Olbermann's name!


Yes ... I understand that's what he claimed on Olbermann's show.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 12:01 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Magginkat wrote:
It was made plain and clear a night or two later when the young man appeared on Olbermann's show with the recording of the coversation...... He said nothing but Olbermann's name!


Yes ... I understand that's what he claimed on Olbermann's show.


...and you have no reason to believe otherwise, save your anecdotal understanding of live cable broadcast practices, and ideological prejudice that favors O'Reilly.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 12:34 pm
snood wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Magginkat wrote:
It was made plain and clear a night or two later when the young man appeared on Olbermann's show with the recording of the coversation...... He said nothing but Olbermann's name!


Yes ... I understand that's what he claimed on Olbermann's show.


...and you have no reason to believe otherwise, save your anecdotal understanding of live cable broadcast practices, and ideological prejudice that favors O'Reilly.


... and the fact that seven seconds went by after he said Olbermann's name until O'Reilly hit the dump button ... and the reaction of E.D. Hill, who cuts O'Reilly no slack, to what "Mike" said ... and my sense that because of his ideological prejudice, "Mike" would say just about anything to make O'Reilly look bad.

And you have no reason to believe he was being upfront and honest, other than your ideological prejudice to believe anything that makes O'Reilly look bad.
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 12:56 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
revel wrote:
Tico, look at the transcript, it is clear and plain that the caller merely mentioned Keith Olbermann's name and then O'Reilly went beserk.

Quote:
CALLER: I like to listen to you during the day, I think Keith Olbermann's show --


and the O'Reilly said:

Quote:
O'REILLY: There ya go, Mike is -- he's a gone guy. You know, we have his -- we have your phone numbers, by the way. So, if you're listening, Mike, we have your phone number, and we're going to turn it over to Fox security, and you'll be getting a little visit.


But in any event, I don't want to derail this thread so never mind.


Actually, what was said is neither clear nor plain. You do understand radio talk shows have a standard seven-second delay built in to prevent people like Mike from saying live on the air whatever it was he said that caused him to get cut off, don't you? So, what Mike really said to get cut off occurred in the 7 seconds following his utterance of "Olbermann's show..." You claim it was just the mentioning of Olbermann's name that caused O'Reilly to react, but if that were true it doesn't explain why O'Reilly would have waited 7 seconds to hit the dump button. Obviously something else was said that we aren't privy to.

[/derail]


Has O'Reilly claimed anything different with any kind of proof? The other guy has a recording of his conversation.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 02:07 pm
Back on topic:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/26/iraq.main/index.html

Quote:
Police: U.S. troops battle Shiite militia
At least 20 Mehdi Army members reported killed


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- At least 20 members of the militia loyal to a radical Shiite Muslim cleric have been killed in ongoing clashes with the U.S. military in Baghdad, Iraqi police said Sunday.

The U.S. military had no immediate comment.

Baghdad emergency police said members of the U.S. military surrounded Mustafa mosque, which includes Muqtada al-Sadr's Baghdad office, on the northern edge of the Sadr City district.

Police said U.S. forces tried to enter the mosque and Mehdi Army guards on the roof started shooting. U.S. troops returned fire and killed some guards, the police said.

Some militia members then rushed outside to attack the military, and the U.S. forces shot back, killing more Mehdi Army members, according to the police.


The Mehdi Army -- with perhaps as many as 10,000 men -- is loyal to al-Sadr, the son of the late religious figure for whom Sadr City is named.

Sadr City is home to many poor Shiites. In recent weeks, with sectarian violence escalating, the Mehdi Army had been patrolling the streets of Sadr City.

Al-Sadr also has called several times for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq.

Beheaded corpses found

Thirty beheaded bodies were found along a road in southern Baquba, the Iraqi Army said Sunday.

The Interior Ministry, which oversees the Iraqi national police, said it had not heard about the finding.

Baquba is about 30 miles (48 kilometers) north of Baghdad.

Other developments

A body was found in southern Baghdad near the Dora neighborhood. The person appeared to have been killed execution style, police said.

Two police were wounded when a roadside bomb hit their patrol in eastern Baghdad, police said.

Two police in the town of Wajihiya, north of Baghdad, were killed and three guards of the mayor were wounded, police said. Gunmen attacked the police station, killing the police; the mayor's guards were wounded when an roadside bomb exploded as they were en route to the police station.

Two bodies were found in the city of Khalis, also north of Baghdad. Police said these bodies were also found bound and shot in the head.

Another round of negotiations over the formation of a unity government more than three months after parliamentary elections failed to provide any relief for Iraqis, Reuters reported. "In practical terms, there is not a complete agreement nor is there total disagreement," secular Shiite politician Wael Abdul Latif told reporters as talks persisted.


Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 02:08 pm
THE WAR ON MALIGNANCY

Mass murderers of civilians, their abettors, their advocates and their tolerators are a malignancy.

The war in Iraq and Afghanistan is a necessary war on that malignancy.

The malignancy forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are mass murdering civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is Evil!

The anti-malignancy forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are mass murdering malignancy forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is Good!

Malignancy must be exterminated before it infects more humans and exterminates all the rest of the human race.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 02:13 pm
Brought to you by the American Committees on Foreign Relations ACFR NewsGroup No. 687, Monday, March 27, 2006.
Quote:
Victor Davis Hanson: National Review on Line http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200603240726.asp

Hard Pounding
Who will keep his nerve?


If I could sum up the new orthodoxy about Iraq, it might run something like the following: “I supported the overthrow of the odious Saddam Hussein. But then the poor postwar planning, the unanticipated sectarian strife and insurrection, the mounting American losses, the failure to find weapons of mass destruction — all that and more lost my support. Iraq may or may not work out, but I can see now it clearly wasn’t worth the American effort.”

Aside from the old rehash over disbanding the Iraqi army or tardiness in forming a government, three observations can be made about this “readjustment” in belief. First, the nature of the lapses after March 2003 is still the subject of legitimate debate; second, our mistakes are no more severe than in most prior wars; and third, they are not fatal to our cause.

Consider the most frequently alleged errors: the need for more troops; the need to have restored immediate order; and the need to have had up-armored vehicles and some tactical counterplan to improvised explosive devices.

In none of these cases, was the manner of the solution all that clear-cut — especially since on the first day of the war the United States was trying to avoid targeting civilians, avoiding infrastructure as much as possible, and waging a supposed war of liberation rather than one of punitive annihilation.

Had we brought in another 200,000 troops to secure Iraq, the vast increases in the size and cost of American support might not have been commensurate within an increased ability to put down the insurrection, which from the beginning was decentralized and deliberately designed to play off larger concentrations of conventional patrolling Americans — the more targets the better.

The insurrection broke out not so much because we had 200,000 rather than 400,000 troops in country; but rather because a three-week strike that decapitated the Baathist elite, despite its showy “shock and awe” pyrotechnics, was never intended, World War II-like, to crush the enemy and force terms on a shell-shocked, defeated, and humiliated populace. Many of our challenges, then, are not the war in Iraq per se, but the entire paradox of postmodern war in general in a globally televised world.

And if the point of Iraq was to stress “Iraqification” and avoid too large an American footprint in the Middle East, then ubiquitous Americans may have posed as many problems as they solved — with two or three Green zones rather than one. Instead of drawing down to 100,000 we might now be talking of hoping to keep below 300,000 troops.

Past history suggests that military efficacy is not so much always a question of the number of troops — but rather of how they are used. Especially large American deployments can foster dependency rather than autonomy on the part of the Iraqi security forces. Each month, fewer Americans are dying in Iraq, while more Iraqis are fighting the terrorists — as it becomes clear to them that some enormous occupation force is not on its own going to save the Iraqis’ democracy for them.

The looting should have been stopped. But by the same token, after the statue fell, had the U.S. military begun immediately to shoot looters on sight — and that was what restoring order would have required — or carpet bombed the Syrian and Iranian borders to stop infiltration, the outcry would have arisen that we were too punitive and gunning down poor and hungry people even in peace. I fear that 400,000 peacekeepers, given the rules of postbellum engagement, would have been no more likely to shoot thieves than would 200,000.

We forget that one of the reasons for the speed of the American advance and then the sudden rush to stop military operations — as was true in the first Gulf War — was the enormous criticism leveled at the Americans for going to war in the first place, and the constant litany cited almost immediately of American abuses involving excessive force. Shooting looters may have restored order, but it also would have now been enshrined as an Abu-Ghraib-like crime — a photo of a poor “hungry” thief broadcast globally as an unarmed victim of American barbarism. We can imagine more “Highway of Death” outrage had we bombed concentrations of Shiites pouring in from Iran or jihadists from Syria going to “weddings” and “festivals” in Iraq.

Throughout this postmodern war, the military has been on the horns of a dilemma: Don’t shoot and you are indicted for being lax and allowing lawlessness to spread; shoot and you are gratuitously slandered as a sort of rogue LAPD in camouflage. We hear only of the deliberately inexact rubric “Iraqi civilian losses” — without any explanation that almost all the Iraqi dead are either (1) victims of the terrorists, (2) Iraqi security forces trying to defend the innocent against the terrorists, or (3) the terrorists themselves.

Legitimate questions arise as to whether America’ army is too small, or whether requisite political support for military operations is too predicated on the 24-hour news cycle. But all those are issues transcending the war in Iraq. In retrospect, up-armoring humvees would have been wise from the very outset — so would having something remotely comparable to a Panzerfaust in 1943, more live than dud torpedoes in 1942, or deploying a jet at the beginning of the Korean War that could compete with a Russian Mig 15.

So again, the proper question is not whether there were tragic errors of judgment in Iraq — but to what degree were they qualitatively different from past errors that are the stuff of war, to what degree were they addressed and corrected, and to what degree did their commission impair the final verdict of the mission?

Instead of this necessary ongoing discussion, we are left with former hawks that clamor ad nauseam for the secretary of Defense’s resignation as a sort of symbolic atonement for their own apparently collective lament that the postwar did not turn out like the aftermaths of Panama, Kosovo, Afghanistan, or Gulf War I. All that angst is about as helpful as perpetually damning Turkey for not letting the 4th ID come down from the north into the Sunni Triangle at the beginning of the war.

It is often said we had no plan to deal with postwar Iraq. Perhaps. But the problem with such a simplistic exegesis is that books and articles now pour forth weekly from disgruntled former constitutional architects and frustrated legal experts who once rushed in to draft Iraqi laws, or angry educationists and bankers whose ideas about school charters or currency regulations were not fully implemented. Somebody apparently had some sort of plan — or the legions that went into the Green Zone in Spring 2003 wouldn’t have been sent there immediately in the first place.

Yes, we had zillions of plans alright — but whether they were sufficient to survive the constant and radically changing cycles of war is another matter, especially in a long-failed state plagued with fundamentalism, tribalism, chaos, insurrection, and Sunni, Shiite, and Baathist militias whose leadership had been routed rather than its military crushed. The best postwar plans do not work as they should when losing enemies feel that they won’t be flattened and a successful attacker feels it is can’t really flatten them.

In March 2004 perhaps our initial manner of enacting the “plan” — train the Iraqi security forces, craft a consensual government, and put down the terrorists — was thwarted by our inexperience and naiveté. But by March 2006, the identical plan seems to be working far better — precisely because, as in all wars, we have adapted, modified, and nuanced our way of fighting and nation-building, as American fatalities decrease and Iraqis step up to fight for their freedom.

Nothing in this war is much different from those of the past. We have fought suicide bombers in the Pacific. Intelligence failures doomed tens of thousands — not 2,300 — at the Bulge and Okinawa. We pacified the Philippines through counterinsurgency fighting. Failure to calibrate the extent of Al Zarqawi’s insurrection pales before the Chinese crossing of the Yalu.

Even our current clinical depression is typically American. In July 1864, Lincoln was hated and McClellan and the Copperheads who wished a cessation of war and bisection of country canonized. Truman left office with the nation’s anger that he had failed in Korea. As George Bush Sr. departed, the conventional wisdom was that the budding chaos and redrawing of the map of Eastern Europe would prompt decades of instability as former Communists could not simply be spoon fed democracy and capitalism. During Afghanistan by week five we were in a quagmire; the dust storm supposedly threatened our success in Iraq — in the manner that the explosion of the dome at Samarra marked the beginning of a hopeless civil war that “lost” Iraq.

The fact is that we are close to seeing a democratically elected government emerge, backed by an increasingly competent army, pitted against a minority of a minority in Zaraqawi’s Wahhabi jihadists.

While we worry about our own losses, both human and financial, al Qaeda knows that thousands of its terrorists are dead, with its leadership dismantled or in hiding — and most of the globe turning against it. For all our depression at home, we can still win two wars — the removal of Saddam Hussein and the destruction of jihadists that followed him — and leave a legitimate government that is the antithesis of both autocracy and theocracy.

Syria is out of Lebanon — but only as long as democracy is in Iraq. Libya and Pakistan have come clean about nuclear trafficking — but only as long as the U.S. is serious about reform in the Middle East.

And the Palestinians are squabbling among themselves, as democracy is proving not so easy to distort after all — a sort of Western Trojan Horse that they are not so sure they should have brought inside their walls. When has Hamas ever acted as if it has a "sort of" charter to "sort of" destroy Israel? We worry that Iran is undermining Iraq. The mullahs are terrified that the democracy across the border may undermine them — as if voting and freedom could trump their beheadings and stonings.

Ever since 9/11 we have been in a long, multifaceted, and much-misunderstood war against jihadists and their autocratic enablers from Manhattan to Kabul, from Baghdad to the Hindu Kush, from London and Madrid to Bali and the Philippines. For now, Iraq has become the nexus of that struggle, in the heart of the ancient caliphate, rather than the front once again in Washington and New York. Whose vision of the future wins depends on who keeps his nerve — or to paraphrase the Duke of Wellington at Waterloo, “Hard pounding, gentlemen; but we will see who can pound the longest.”


— Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is the author, most recently, of <http://www.nationalreview.com/redirect/amazon.p?j=1400060958> A War Like No Other. How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War <http://www.nationalreview.com/redirect/amazon.p?j=1400060958> .
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sumac
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 02:20 pm
I see that the usual parties are still gathered around the water cooler.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 03:10 pm
revel wrote:
Quote:
But the desire among so many of our political elites to repudiate Mr. Bush and his foreign policy is creating a dangerous public pessimism that could yet lead to defeat--a defeat whose price would be paid by all Americans, and for years to come.



Blaming the media for the failures of Iraq is just another strategy for Bush administration and right wing bloggers and pundits. It's bunk of course, but not surprising. It's just another way to deflect blame by the Bush administration and it's many failures, something they are very good at having so much practice.


amazin' isn't it ? with these guys, it's always somebody else's fault.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 03:15 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
revel wrote:
Got the link from Crooks and Liars in the Olbermann slams Ingraham section at the bottom where Olbermann says this:

Quote:
Keith said: "A note about Laura Ingram's comments. I've known her a long time. I'll in fact give you the caveat that I've know her socially. But that hotel balcony crack was unforgivable. In was unforgivable to the memory of David Bloom, it was unforgivable in considerable of Bob Woodruff and Doug Vought, unforgivable in light of what happened to Michael Kelly and what happened to Michael Weiskopft. It was unforgivable with Jill Carroll still a hostage in Iraq. And it was not only unforgivable of her; it was desperate and it was stupid."


http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/03/22.html#a7625


Desperate and Stupid is a fair characterization of Olbermann, a wacko leftist, obsessed with Fox News and Bill O'Reilly -- which one presumes this is mainly because of his comparatively poor ratings. But the above rant highlights more media hypocrisy where they believe Bush and the war ought to be questioned and challenged, but find it unforgivable when someone questions them and the way they present the story.


sorry dude. there are 80, count 'em, 80 journalists that covered iraq that would say that laura ingram is totally full of crap.

that is if they hadn't been killed in iraq covering laura's good news...
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