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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 05:47 pm
4. 9-11 Commission, 9/20/2004. Includes reports of administration and congressional declarations and resolutions regarding reaction to 9/11 plus al-Qaeda history in Afghanistan and Iraq.
www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm
Quote:
Chapter 2.4 BUILDING AN ORGANIZATION, DECLARING WAR ON THE UNITED STATES (1992-1996)
In the late 1990s, these extremist groups suffered major defeats by Kurdish forces. In 2001, with Bin Ladin's help they re-formed into an organization called Ansar al Islam. There are indications that by then the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al Islam against the common Kurdish enemy.54


12. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ANSAR AL-ISLAM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam
Quote:
Ansar al-Islam (Arabic: انصار الاسلام, Supporters or Partisans of Islam) is a Kurdish Sunni Islamist group, promoting a radical interpretation of Islam and holy war. At the beginning of the 2003 invasion of Iraq it controlled about a dozen villages and a range of peaks in northern Iraq on the Iranian border. It has used terrorist tactics such as sucide bombers in it's conflicts with the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan and other Kurdish groups.

Origins
Ansar al-Islam was formed in December 2001


8. "American Soldier," by General Tommy Franks, 7/1/2004
"10" Regan Books, An Imprint of HarperCollins Publishers;
Described the Coalition attacks on al-Qaeda training camps in northeastern Iraq, and on another terrorist training camp south of Baghdad. See pages 483, and 519.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 06:52 pm
Donald Rumsfeld is not competent to lead our armed forces. ...
he has shown himself incompetent strategically, operationally
and tactically, and is far more than anyone else responsible for
what has happened to our important mission in Iraq. Mr Rumsfeld
must step down.

-- Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton (ret.), US general in charge of training
the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004, writing in The New York
Times, 19 March 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/opinion/19eaton.html
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 07:15 pm
Cicerone,

I heard parts of two interviews on Cable New today, one with Rummy and one with Cheney. I think it's a toss-up as to which is more qualified for the loony bin.

These two old goats should have been put out to pasture yrs ago.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 07:16 pm
Cicerone,

I heard parts of two interviews on Cable New today, one with Rummy and one with Cheney. I think it's a toss-up as to which is more qualified for the loony bin.

These two old goats should have been put out to pasture yrs ago.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 07:40 pm
CORRECTION OF LINKS

MY PRINCIPAL SOURCES:

1. Osama Bin Laden "Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places"-1996.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html

2. Osama Bin Laden: Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans-1998
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 08:50 pm
Change the author from Osama bin Laden to George W. Bush, and we have the realities for this country.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 09:17 pm
I'd like to hear the Bush apologists' explanation of why our government is making so little effort to supply the troops with protective gear.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 09:20 pm
edgar, Bush apologists overlook those simple necessities of fighting a war, because none of them ever fought a "real" war nor served in our armed services. They also can't see their incompetence in everything they have done from the time they started the war till now; three years later. Just because the loss of our military has slowed a little, doesn't help the Iraqis live a secure, normal life.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 09:26 pm
Once a person's brain is contaminated, it is permanent?

March 20, 2006
On Anniversary, Bush and Cheney See Iraq Success
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 09:30 pm
We have idiots running our country that doesn't even know what a "civil war" is!
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:14 am
In the Independent today, a third anniversary edition, well worth paying the subscription for if it's not on your newsstands

http://www.independent.co.uk/

The March of Folly That Has Led To A Bloodbath
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:03 am
A Collapsing Presidency
By Paul Craig Roberts
The latest national survey by the PewResearchCenter finds that President Bush's support among the American people has fallen to 33%
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:27 am
Quote:
Neocons do not believe in the US Constitution, civil liberties, the separation of powers, or the Geneva Conventions. According to published reports, President Bush described the Constitution as "a scrap of paper." Bush's attorney general, vice president, and secretary of defense have openly defended the Bush administration's practice of torture, violations of habeas corpus, and illegal spying. These high officials, in violation of their oath of office, have openly declared that Bush, as commander-in-chief, is above the law.

What American ever expected to see the safeguards against tyranny put in place by the Founding Fathers removed in the name of providing security against terrorists by a president who purports to believe in original intent?


What a load of BS.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:30 am
McG, Your response is no response. Show us what is BS?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 10:53 am
Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53
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Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53
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Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53
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Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53
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Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53
Email this article
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Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53
Email this article
Printer friendly page


Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper." cont. at site

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 11:11 am
Isn't it intresting that Doug Thompson is the only person to have reported this controversy? I wonder why CNN, Reuters, UPI, etc never picked up this important story?

Oh, wait, nevermind. I figured it out... Doug Thompson is a political hack with an axe to grind! I should have known.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 11:13 am
And you know this how? On the "it takes one to know one" basis?
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 11:16 am
McGentrix wrote:
Isn't it intresting that Doug Thompson is the only person to have reported this controversy? I wonder why CNN, Reuters, UPI, etc never picked up this important story?

Oh, wait, nevermind. I figured it out... Doug Thompson is a political hack with an axe to grind! I should have known.


C'mon, McG - you can admit it. Even if this were verifiably true to what ever standard you like, it wouldn't bother you, would it?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 11:18 am
McG doesn't have any axe to grind; he uses a mallet with someone with no brains to activiate it.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 11:23 am
McG makes a comment about the legitimacy of Doug Thompson's unsubstantiated smear article (inexplicably posted by Amigo in this thread), and he's immediately attacked on a personal level by three leftists.

Awfully typical of late on this site.
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