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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jan, 2007 07:44 pm
January 18, 2007
Anti-American Rhetoric vs. Reality
By Victor Davis Hanson

When Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman pulled up to Savannah, Ga., after
his legendary March to the Sea in December 1864, he was savagely
slandered in the Southern press as a renegade leader of a "vandal
horde."

But at that same time, leading Confederate officers privately appealed
to him, hoping he would guarantee the safety of the relatives they had
left behind in Savannah. Why, Sherman wondered, would his sworn
enemies trust that such an enemy might be kind to their loved ones --
unless they knew that their own slurs about him were mere rhetoric?

That same sort of pretense is evident in the Middle East, where the
leaders of countries and organizations hostile to or critical of the
United States often trust us far more than they let on.

Nabih Berri, the Lebanese Amal militia chief who is now allied with
both the anti-American Hezbollah and Syria, has much of his family
residing in Dearborn, Mich.

Amr Salem, until recently a cabinet minister in Bashar Assad's
anti-American government in Syria, was a senior program manager at
Microsoft. His family still lives in the U.S.

Bilal Musharraf, son of Pakistan strongman Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has
been a Boston-based consultant and a Stanford business and education
student. Meanwhile, his father's government is either unwilling or
unable to arrest on his soil the remnants of al-Qaida, among them,
most likely, Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Prince Bandar bin Sultan, former Saudi ambassador to the United States
and high cabinet official in a monarchy that funds much of the world's
radical Islamist madrassas, is selling his 56,000-square-foot mansion
in tony Aspen. The asking price is $135 million -- the most expensive
home ever put up for sale in the United States.

What are we to make of these incongruities and others like them?
First is the obvious hypocrisy. Allying with radical Shiites in
Lebanon, anti-American Syrians or Islamists in Pakistan and Saudi
Arabia does not seem to disqualify Middle Eastern politicos from
appreciating the freedom, security and opportunity of the United
States.

For all the talk of America's faults, no Middle Easterner worries
about vengeful Americans kidnapping or car-bombing his relatives. And
few seem to consider that if the worldview of a present-day Lebanese
militia or Saudi Arabia ever sweeps the globe, there would be no
Dearborn or Aspen for their kin to find sanctuary.

Second, the wide gap between what many in the Middle East say and do
should be a reminder that much anti-Americanism is poorly thought out
or mostly for show. Many who decry America to the press and cameras
privately prefer to send their loved ones here to take advantage of
our success brought about by secular education, gender equality,
meritocratic democracy and the primacy of law.

Third, the families of leaders of autocratic nations often hostile to
the United States are kept safe and sound in this country precisely
because of our openness and respect for guests and foreigners. Unlike
most of the Middle East, where it is nearly impossible for Christians,
single women or homosexuals to live openly and freely, Americans are a
tolerant people who are not captive to tribal, religious or sectarian
vengeance.

Americans may also think that these personal ties of Middle East
authoritarians to the United States will lead to either liberalization
back home or at least more favorable impressions of us there. Sadly,
that hasn't happened. In the case of Syria's Amr Salem, his tenure at
Bill Gates' Microsoft seems to have made him only a more perfect
minister of computer surveillance.

Indeed, sometimes exposure to American culture creates feelings of
ambiguity -- a sense of guilt among conservative arrivals at their
newfound liberal appetites. In other cases, the perception arises that
someone or something must have prevented the Middle East from enjoying
what Americans take for granted.

The United States probably will not -- and probably should not -- deny
entry to the families of Lebanese militia leaders, Pakistani
dictators, Saudi sheiks or Syrian high officials. But we should at
least point out to them, as Gen. Sherman once did to his grandstanding
detractors, that there is certainly a reason why Bandar, Berri,
Musharraf and Salem want their children over here -- and apparently as
far away as possible from the countries where they themselves are in
charge.

Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover
Institution, Stanford University, and author, most recently, of "A War
Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian
War." You can reach him by e-mailing [email protected].
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jan, 2007 07:51 pm
The war the U.S. has lost: Ideas and, yes, propaganda
By Sol Sanders
SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Friday, January 19, 2007

It would be hard to exaggerate Washington’s problems in a 1945 devastated Europe, a demoralized Europe. Not enough, the U.S. was suddenly faced with a new totalitarian threat. And the West quickly harvested a series of disastrous wartime politico-military decisions. [In Spring 1945 as a callow youth I saw British forces turning back Lower Austria at the same time the U.S. was backing out of Czechoslovakia and abandoning northern Germany to Stalin.]

But there were more insidious problems Communism had infiltrated European intellectuals for a half century and taken control of debate: if fascism were wrong and defeated, wasn’t the answer its most bitter enemy, Communism?

Americans, mercifully not given to ideological argument, have left it to Germans and French — and hypocritical Indians and Third Worlders. [Does anyone remember Barzan el-Takriti, Sadam Hussein’s evil half-brother who just had his head severed during hanging, once presided over the UN Human Rights Commission? or at the UN Indians defending the 1956 Soviet Hungarian invasion?]

In Germany 1945, American Military Government amateurs fiddled..[In the democratic satire tradition it’s okay to laugh now at Bell for Adano but then it was a critically serious matter.] Not only was there an enemy, but — as the saying goes — "G__d deliver me from my friends". Germany’s largest political movement, the social democrats were ambivalent. Traditional wisdom said they would be the permanent German government party if there was reunification because they represented the Protestant majority and held the northern cities. Even the few stalwart veterans who staggered out of Nazi death camps said they wanted neutrality in the Cold War blossoming only three years after WWII slaughter ended.

Harry Truman responded to socialist Ernest Bevin’s plea for a coordinated economic rebuilding. But few in American government took seriously reconstructing European minds — dragged through collaborationist filth or catalepsy as six million Jews at the heart of European civilization were murdered.

But wonderful American pragmaticism took over. In Berlin, Radio RIAS [Radio in the American Sector] with the world’s greatest orchestra appealed to the oppressed under Communism. A sharp, young New Yorker ex-Trotskyist, Melvin Laski, with the backing of U.S. military ["using Hamiltonian methods for Jeffersonian ends" is the way German professor Michael Hogeschwender puts it; so much for the argument you can’t instill democracy in Iraq by the sword!], started an intellectual magazine. Der Monat, revolutionizing debate anong endlessly bickering German illuminati taking places left by Hitler’s persecutions and the war.

A patchwork grew up — Radio Liberty to reach into the Soviet Union, Radio Free Europe called Central Europeans [whom President Gerald Ford claimed were not under Communist domination in a famous malapropism which may have cost him the election and the U.S. its credibility in the Carter Era of total foreign policy confusion]. The CIA-funded Congress for Cultural Freedom globalized Der Monat as Encounter and a half dozen other publications and hundreds of gabfests before being exposed by a successful Soviet black operation, Bombay’s Blitz.

Ronald Reagan finally came along throwing the final firecrackers imploding an ostensible impregnable Soviet empire, appeased over decades by Henry Kissinger and the supposedly hard-nosed, practical realists. Even among Bush’s critics’ opposition to "Iraq", of even his "war" on terror ["we must get to fundamental causes", that line runs, as for example, perhaps, the fundamental evil of some human beings?] Few argue against the theoretical importance of propaganda and the importance of ideas. The Charles River crowd talks incessantly of it.

But not to put a fine point on it, one looks around in vain at the current war on terror for anything resembling the audacity and the effectiveness of the Cold War campaign. The Administration has had a penchant for turning this one over to incompetent ladies ["soft power"?, what a sexist thought!] The first, an advertising executive, spent millions on movies not permitted to be shown in the Islamic world. The second, a Washington apparatchik, retreated to Wall St. [as so many have], using the "fundamental issues” alibi. Bush’s acknowledged domestic media mavim, the third candidate, appears to have dissolved into a flood of tea with Arab ladies and State Dept.’s fear of actual public diplomacy.

At the outset of this contest, the usual suspects [G__d forbid they should be called Cold Warriors or neoconservatives!] tried clumsily to mount such an effort in Rumsfeld’s Pentagon. But his own media chief either presided over, or encouraged, a rabid campaign against it led — of course by The New York Times, who else? It might, they said, create a blowback whereby U.S. propaganda would infiltrate the American media. These same guardians of the holy grail of journalistic integrity have correspondents rarely outside Baghdad’s Green Zone, who depend on Iraqi "stringers" [part-time correspondents] and interpreters whose loyalties they never check, or, in fact, who apparently sometimes do not exist.

A half-hearted effort has been made at Arab-language electronic services beyond a diminished Voice of America. [At the same time that Al Jazeera English, pays former foreign service officers for interviews!] But where is that Arabic journal for intellectuals? Where is the militantly anti-Jihadist network of academic conferences? Where is the avalanche of cheap, popular Arabic anti-jihadist publications and entertainment films? Where is the attempt to amplify anti-jihadist Moslem South Asia intellectuals?

Alas! "Fostering Intellectual And Human Capital By Creating An Expert Community Of Counterterrorism Professionals . . ." is a cumbersomely bundled item mentioned in Bush’s December 2006 announcement of new tactics. The hour is late.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 07:29 am
Army Says Improper Orders by Colonel Led to 4 Deaths

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Although the colonel's "miscommunication" of the rules contributed to the deaths of four unarmed Iraqis, General Maffey wrote, formal charges were not warranted "in light of his honest belief of the correctness of the mission R.O.E." The general recommended that Colonel Steele be admonished, a lesser punishment than the formal reprimand he eventually received.

Several soldiers have said in sworn statements that Colonel Steele told them to kill all military-age males. Colonel Steele and two lawyers representing him did not respond to several e-mail and phone messages requesting comment on the case. But in testimony he gave on June 3 to General Maffey and another investigator at an Army garrison in Tikrit, Colonel Steele said he did not use "specific language" to order his soldiers to kill all military-age males, and that "we don't shoot people with their hands up."

On June 10, an investigative report by the 101st Airborne Division's lawyers concluded: "Although clearly unintentional, confusion regarding the R.O.E. was the proximate cause of the death of at least four unarmed individuals, none of whom committed a hostile act or displayed hostile intent."

In his June 3 testimony, Colonel Steele said he told his men that Army intelligence had shown that the island held dozens of fighters for Al Qaeda. "Guys, you are going to get shot coming off the helicopter," Colonel Steele said he told them before the raid. "If you don't get shot, you ought to be surprised."

As it turned out, the assault occurred without encountering any hostile fire, and the soldiers found only unarmed men, women and children. Only excess caution by Colonel Steele's troops spared the Iraqi civilians from being shot, General Maffey wrote in his report.

The military's investigations of Colonel Steele's actions before and after the raid also determined that the fourth Iraqi man killed in the assault was 70 years old, unarmed and not a legitimate target.

After the raid, several soldiers noticed blindfolds and plastic handcuffs on the bodies of three of the men who were killed. Colonel Steele testified that he ordered a junior officer to begin an investigation into the deaths but to avoid reporting any findings to the division commander until the colonel returned from leave a few weeks later.

The formal reprimand Colonel Steele received effectively blocks any chance for his promotion, according to former and current military officers. "When you're looking to go from colonel to general, and it's a 2 percent selection rate, you're looking to throw people out, and that's an easy one," said John D. Hutson, the former judge advocate general of the Navy.

In November, Colonel Steele was reassigned out of Iraq and the 101st Airborne Division to an administrative assignment at Fort McPherson, Ga., where the Army Forces Command oversees the readiness of United States-based active-duty and Army Reserve soldiers. He will work in the unit responsible for Army operations and training, including developing methods of teaching soldiers how to handle enemy detainees, an Army spokesman said.

In addition to the trial of the four soldiers charged in the killings during the raid, an investigation is continuing into whether at least 10 other soldiers from Colonel Steele's former brigade lied to cover up three of the deaths, according to a classified report in December by the Army's Criminal Investigative Division. A division spokesman declined to comment on its investigation.


About the paragraph in italics, unbelievable, the Colonel was not charged but only reprimended because he believed in the correctness of his mission even though he was the one who encouraged the ones who were charged with the crime he believed was correct. Rolling Eyes And then people wonder why there is so much anti-American sentiment both within and without the US.
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 09:06 am
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"A person cannot be targeted on status simply by being present on an objective deemed hostile by an on-scene commander," General Maffey wrote in his June 16 report.


I wonder if this applies to homes we declare as "safe houses" for terrorist which we have had periodically bombed killing a number of women and children. Don't know if that is still practiced but it was at one time in Iraq.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 10:13 am
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 11:45 am
BBC wrote:
At least 100 people have been killed in two separate attacks on busy street markets in Baghdad and Baquba.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:06 pm
With Bush's temporary surge in our troops, we will be seeing more violence, killings, and maiming in Iraq. Bush still hasn't received the message that we are uninvited occupiers.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:16 pm
Now with links and story -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6286459.stm

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Scores die in Iraq bomb attacks
At least 100 people have been killed in two separate attacks on busy street markets in Baghdad and Baquba.

Eighty-eight people died and 160 were injured in a double car bombing at a second-hand clothes market in Baghdad, the worst such attack this year.

A further 12 died in a bomb and mortar attack in the nearby city of Baquba.

The attacks came as the first of over 21,000 extra US troops ordered by US President George W Bush arrived in Baghdad on a mission to boost security.

The 3,200 troops sent to Baghdad are the advance guard of a 21,500-strong deployment ordered by the president this month.

Choked with traffic

The first big attack on Monday came in the Haraj market, which sells second-hand clothing and DVDs, shortly after midday (0900 GMT). Columns of thick smoke immediately covered the area.

One unconfirmed account of the attacks said that a bomb in a parked car was followed seconds later by a suicide bomber ploughing his car into the terrified crowd.



At least 12 vehicles were set ablaze, said a photographer for the AFP news agency at the scene.

He said there were so many victims that the wounded were piled up alongside the dead on wooden market carts.

Bodies could be seen covered in blue sheeting outside a Baghdad mortuary, while doctors at al-Kindi Hospital worked frantically to save the lives of the badly injured.

Relatives of the dead could be seen crying and weeping nearby.

The BBC's Mike Wooldridge in Baghdad says the market is popular with the many Baghdad residents on low incomes.

It is also a busy transport junction, and was choked with traffic at the time, he added.

At about 1700 (1400 GMT) there was a second attack, this time on a market near the town of Baquba, north-east of Baghdad.

Police said a bomb went off, followed by a mortar attack, leaving at least 12 civilians dead and 26 injured.

Lieutenant Ahmed Mohammed told AFP the bomb was hidden in a vegetable cart and exploded as people shopped late in the day at Khalis market.

Five minutes later further carnage was wrought in the shape of an incoming missile.

New tactics

The attacks are seen as highlighting the challenges faced by US forces as they prepare to try to rein in the Sunni and Shia fighters who have been carrying out deadly tit-for-tat attacks.

Previous attempts to stop the killings in the capital have failed, in part, analysts say, because coalition and Iraqi troops have not stayed in an area once insurgents have been cleared.

Under the new plans, once an area is taken, the extra US troops will stay behind, backing up Iraqi forces to hold the area.

Doubts, however, remain as to whether there will be enough extra troops to stabilise a city of more than six million people, while among Baghdad residents there are fears the presence of the troops will simply inspire more violence.

US troops have suffered significant losses in recent days. On Saturday, 25 soldiers were killed - one of the worst days for the US army since the invasion


Cycloptichorn
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:38 pm
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Tomgram: Adam Hochschild, Over the Top in Iraq

It's been a repetitive phenomenon of these last years -- when fears about disaster (or further disaster, or even the farthest reaches of disaster) in Iraq rise, so does the specter of Vietnam. Despite the obvious dissimilarities between the two situations, Vietnam has been the shadow war we're still fighting. The Bush administration began its 2003 invasion by planning a non-Vietnam War scenario right down to not having "body counts," those grim, ridiculed death chants of that long-past era. His administration, as the President put it before the November mid-term elections, wasn't going to be a "body-count team." But the Vietnam experience has proven nothing short of irresistible in a crisis. Within the last month, after Bush himself bemoaned the lack of a body count in the vicinity, the body count slipped back into the news as a way to measure success in Iraq.

And that was only the beginning. With the recent plummeting of presidential approval ratings and the dismal polling reactions to Bush's "new way forward" in Iraq, the Vietnam scenario is experiencing something like a renaissance. Sometimes, these days, it seems as if top administration officials are simply spending their time preparing mock-Vietnam material for Jon Stewart's The Daily Show. The recent "surge" plan, for instance, brought that essential Vietnam vocabulary word, "escalation," back into currency. (It was on Democratic lips all last week.) Even worse, the President's plan was the kind of "incremental escalation" that military commanders coming out of Vietnam had sworn would never, ever be used again.

Guess they didn't count on an ex-alcoholic dyslexic president who conned a large segment of the American public into thinking inflexible uncompromising ridgidness is a sign of strength.

In any case, when Republican Senator (and surge opponent) Chuck Hagel questioned Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice about the E-word last week, she denied it was an appropriate moniker. Here's what she suggested instead. "I would call it, Senator, an augmentation that allows the Iraqis to deal with this very serious problem that they have in Baghdad." (And, of course, Stewart promptly pounced…)

But that, too, was only the beginning. Hagel, a Vietnam veteran, called the President's plan "the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam." Lt. Gen. David H. Petraeus, just appointed senior military commander in Iraq in charge of the Baghdad "surge," turned out to have written a doctoral thesis, much publicized last week, entitled "The American Military and the Lessons of Vietnam: A Study of Military Influence and the Use of Force in the Post-Vietnam Era." ("Don't commit American troops, Mr. President unless… You have established clear-cut, attainable military objectives for American military forces… [and] you provide the military commander sufficient forces and the freedom necessary to accomplish his mission swiftly...")

Part of the plan Petraeus is evidently to put into effect involves an urban version of what Los Angeles Times reporter Julian E. Barnes labels "a spectacular failure" of the Vietnam War, the "strategic hamlet" program in which whole communities were to be sealed off from the "insurgents" of that era. For Baghdad, the military is now redubbing these -- with another obvious bow to Stewart's show -- "gated communities." ("'You do it neighborhood by neighborhood,' said the Defense official. 'Think of L.A. Let's say we take West Hollywood and gate it off. Or Anaheim. Or central Los Angeles. You control that area first and work out from there.'")

Fears that Iraq's collapse into civil war (or a U.S. withdrawal) might knock down other states in the region like so many ten pins, as former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski reminded us in a Washington Post op-ed, "Five Flaws in the President's Plan," brought another Vietnam classic back to the fold: "the (falling) domino theory." With the President's latest threats against Syria and Iran -- "We will disrupt the attacks on our forces. We'll interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq…" -- yet another oldie but goodie from that era has reappeared: "hot pursuit": As in pursuing the commies (or Islamo-fascists or Shiite renegades or al-Qaeda terrorists) across the Cambodian or Syrian or Iranian border. And speaking of Cambodia, Congress did at one point prohibit the use of funds to pursue war in that country, exercising its constitutionally guaranteed power of the purse, a thought that only in the last weeks has made it back from the critical wilderness into the mainstream as a respectable, debatable position for any politician.

But perhaps it's no more complicated than this: In a world in which self-determination and nationalism are bedrock values, once you've tried to occupy a country, whether under the banner of anti-Communism or anti-Islamo-fascism, whether claiming to be in support of the "Free World" or "freedom" itself, it may no longer matter which counterinsurgency tactics you use or strategies you adopt, or whether you count bodies or not. Once you've taken such a path -- as long as you don't make the decision to withdraw -- you may always find yourself in that limited land of options that we like to call "Vietnam."

In fact, Vietnam wasn't the only war in the vicinity in these last weeks. Adam Hochshild, author of King Leopold's Ghost (which the President claimed to have read in a recent interview) and a remarkable history of the British anti-slavery movement, Bury the Chains, is now at work on a new book on World War I. And here's what he noticed... Tom

To read more and for additional links go to

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=159067
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:44 pm
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"The Big Push"
Mired in the Trenches of the Iraq Fiasco
By Adam Hochschild

If we needed more evidence that those surrounding President George W. Bush have a tin ear for the lessons of history, it came ten days ago when National Security Advisor Stephen J. Hadley referred to increasing the number of American troops in Iraq as "the big push" that would bring victory closer.

"The Big Push" is a phrase that came into the language with another troop surge that was supposed to bring another war to victory. For months beforehand, the Big Push was how British cabinet ministers, propagandists, generals, and foot soldiers talked about the 1916 Battle of the Somme. (It is even the title of a later book on the subject.)

The First World War had been in a deadly stalemate for the better part of two years. A string of horrific battles had revealed the huge toll of trench warfare: Defenders could partially protect themselves by building deeper trenches, concrete pillboxes, and reinforced dugouts far underground. But when you went "over the top" of the trench to attack, you were disastrously vulnerable -- out in the open, exposed to deadly, sweeping machine-gun fire as you clambered slowly across barbed wire and bypassed water-filled artillery-shell craters.

So, what did the Allies do? They attacked. At the time, in numbers of men involved, it was history's largest battle. The plan was to break open the German defense line, send the cavalry gloriously charging through the gap, and turn the tide of the war. The result was a catastrophe.

The British army lost nearly 20,000 killed and some 40,000 wounded or missing on the first day alone. German machine gunners, after waiting out the long preliminary bombardment in their fortified bunkers underground, returned to the surface in time to mow down the advancing soldiers. After four and a half months of fighting, British and French troops had suffered more than 600,000 casualties. The Big Push had gained them roughly five miles of muddy, shell-pocked wasteland.

Like the Big Push of the Somme, the Big Push in Iraq is a reapplication of tactics that have already proven a calamitous failure. As the outspoken retired U.S. Army Lieutenant General William Odom, former director of the National Security Agency, puts it, it's like finding yourself in a hole and then digging deeper.

Every piece of evidence from these past nearly four bloody years makes clear that many Sunnis and Shiites alike are driven to rage by the very presence of American soldiers walking Iraqi streets, barging into Iraqi homes, and arresting or killing people who may or may not be insurgents. Furthermore, the people arrested or killed, however unsavory, are sometimes the only force protecting their communities against attacks from the opposite side in an extremely bitter civil war. Therefore, as sociologist Michael Schwartz explained the matter some six weeks ago, a previous joint U.S.-Iraqi counterinsurgency drive in Baghdad, of exactly the type now being planned, actually increased civilian casualties.

There are huge differences, of course, between the First World War and the current fighting in Iraq. But, even beyond the optimistic talk of the Big Push, there is another eerie resemblance between the two conflicts. In both cases, a great power was itching to launch an invasion, and seized on a handy excuse to do so. For the Bush administration, of course, the excuse was September 11th. From a long string of insider revelations, we know that its top officials were hungry to invade Iraq, looked eagerly for the most far-fetched connections between Saddam Hussein and 9/11, and -- even then not finding them -- invaded anyway, while continuing to vaguely imply the connections were there.

Something remarkably similar happened in 1914. Austria-Hungary was a shaky empire of restless ethnic minorities ruled by a German-speaking elite in Vienna. Nearly half the population was Slavic, including many Serbs. As a result, the imperial rulers in Vienna felt threatened by the very existence on their border of the independent nation of Serbia, small though it was. They were determined to invade it, possibly partition it, and so stamp out pan-Slavic and Serb nationalism once and for all.

They drew up detailed invasion plans. Then, most conveniently, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary, the Emperor's nephew and heir to the throne, was assassinated while on a visit to the provincial city of Sarajevo. Like the White House after 9/11, the imperial palace in Vienna promptly began an eager search for a connection to the Serbian government. Frustratingly, however, the Archduke had been killed on Austro-Hungarian soil by Gavrilo Princip, an Austro-Hungarian citizen. The assassin, an ethnic Serb, had indeed had help from a shadowy secret organization of Serb nationalists, but no connection to the government of Serbia was ever proved. No matter. Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia anyway. Other countries quickly jumped in on both sides, and a conflagration began that remade the world.

Part of that remaking, ironically, was the post-war cobbling together of three provinces of the defeated Ottoman Empire into what was first a British protectorate and then, after 1932, independent Iraq.

There is a final resemblance between the present bloodshed there and the First World War. Both conflicts were fought for a curiously shifting set of noble-sounding goals. With Iraq, the Bush administration has tried on for size finding weapons of mass destruction, liberating the Iraqis, combating Islamist terrorism, and installing democracy in the Arab world. In the First World War, the Allies initially talked of coming to the defense of innocent, invaded little Belgium, then of defeating German militarism and defending the British and French way of life. Once Woodrow Wilson brought the United States into the conflict, he spoke of "the war to end all wars."

It didn't. The humiliation of the losers and the catastrophic loss of life on both sides did nothing to end all wars and much to light the fuses of later ones -- especially the Russian Civil War and the Second World War. The longer the war in Iraq goes on, and the more American troops are planted by Big Pushes in a highly combustible part of the world, the more we will continue to stoke a widespread humiliation and anger whose consequences are already guaranteed to haunt us for decades to come.

Adam Hochschild is the San Francisco-based author of six books include Bury the Chains: Prophets and Rebels in the Fight to Free an Empire's Slaves, a finalist for the National Book Award, and King Leopold's Ghost. He is writing a book on the First World War.


Copyright 2007 Adam Hochschild

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=159067
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 03:55 pm
Speaking of strawman arguments:
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Guess they didn't count on an ex-alcoholic dyslexic president who conned a large segment of the American public into thinking inflexible uncompromising ridgidness is a sign of strength.


The US will not pull out of Iraq unless and until a better alternative is described and is thought to be a better alternative.

While we wait for that better alternative, the mass murder in Iraq continues along with the hurling of epithets at George Bush, because he is responsible for convincing so many of us that an invasion of Iraq was necessary to protect our security.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 08:18 pm
Protect our security from WMDs that never existed? WOW~!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 08:35 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Protect our security from WMDs that never existed? WOW~!

Protect our security from terrorists who have declared war against us and did wage war against us ... and also protect us from WMDs that did exist in Iraq prior to 1992 but not after, and were believed by some to still exist.

The US will not pull out of Iraq unless and until a better alternative is described and is thought to be a better alternative.

While we wait for that better alternative, the mass murder in Iraq continues along with the hurling of epithets at George Bush, because he is responsible for convincing so many of us that an invasion of Iraq was necessary to protect our security.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 09:34 am
I am glad bush admitting to mistakes concerning Iraq but I am waiting for is the admission that he should not have rushed into war with Iraq. He does that, and I will promise I will not continue to hurl epithets at George Bush for the invasion of Iraq.

For the umpteenth time there was hardly any AQ in Iraq before the invasion of Iraq, and the little camp that was there we had the opportunity without plunging us and Iraq into this horrible mess of a war of which now there are no good answers or alternatives. We could have continued to have inspections and watched Hussein, if he ever got out of line, we and a heck of a lot more of the world could have dealt with him then. We could have taken one thing at a time as situations develops the way sensible people deal with problems instead of trying to change the whole middle east in a day by force and intimidation and insults and swaggers.

In other words the Plan for the New American Century is a failure and now we just have to deal with mess we created.
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 10:51 am
The problem here is Bush is not admitting to making the mistakes. He says mistakes were made and he will take responsibility. He did not say 'I made the mistakes.' He's implying that others screwed up and he has to be responsible for their screw ups.

At no time will you ever hear him say the invasion of Iraq was not necessary. Of course it wasn't, but he and the warmongers will never admit to it.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 10:58 am
Why would Bush ever admit the invasion was not necessary? It obviously was but the pacifist doves will never admit it.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 12:36 pm
xingu wrote:
The problem here is Bush is not admitting to making the mistakes. He says mistakes were made and he will take responsibility. He did not say 'I made the mistakes.' He's implying that others screwed up and he has to be responsible for their screw ups.

At no time will you ever hear him say the invasion of Iraq was not necessary. Of course it wasn't, but he and the warmongers will never admit to it.


Tell me,do you have access to EVERY bit on intelligence and information Bush saw?
Do you have access to EVERY bit of intelligence and information that the rest of the world had,when they also said Iraq had WMD?

So,since you dont,you can only say "in your opinion" that the war was not neccessary.

Only history will determine for sure.
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 12:44 pm
Scant evidence found of Iran-Iraq arms link
U.S. warnings of advanced weaponry crossing the border are overstated, critics say.
By Alexandra Zavis and Greg Miller, Times Staff Writers
January 23, 2007 http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fnews%2Fnationworld%2Fworld%2Fla-fg-iraniraq23jan23%2C0%2C1896346%2Cfull.story%3Fcoll%3Dla-home-headlines
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 12:50 pm
mysteryman wrote:
xingu wrote:
The problem here is Bush is not admitting to making the mistakes. He says mistakes were made and he will take responsibility. He did not say 'I made the mistakes.' He's implying that others screwed up and he has to be responsible for their screw ups.

At no time will you ever hear him say the invasion of Iraq was not necessary. Of course it wasn't, but he and the warmongers will never admit to it.


Tell me,do you have access to EVERY bit on intelligence and information Bush saw?
Do you have access to EVERY bit of intelligence and information that the rest of the world had,when they also said Iraq had WMD?

So,since you dont,you can only say "in your opinion" that the war was not neccessary.

Only history will determine for sure.


I know enough to know that there was a great deal of intelligence avaiable to Bush that told him those WMD's did not exist. I know there were inspectors in Iraq before the invasion that could inspect wherever they wanted. They found nothing. They were kicked out of Iraq by Bush so he could invade the country. I know that Bush said that invasion was the last option. He lied. It was the only option.
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 12:55 pm
xingu said...

Quote:
I know enough to know that there was a great deal of intelligence avaiable to Bush that told him those WMD's did not exist. I know there were inspectors in Iraq before the invasion that could inspect wherever they wanted. They found nothing. They were kicked out of Iraq by Bush so he could invade the country. I know that Bush said that invasion was the last option. He lied. It was the only option.


No,if you were honest,you would say you "think you know".
You dont know all of that for an absolute fact because you dont have ALL of the information Bush had.

I am not saying you are wrong,I am saying that you should be honest enough to admit you dont know with the 100% certainty you are claiming to have.

If future events prove you wrong,then how will you explain that what you "KNEW" was wrong?
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