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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 01:37 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
Those who libel or slander Americans by claiming them to be "a Terrorist Malignancy" are in fact abettors and advocates of Terrorist Malignancy, and thus are themselves terrorist malignancy.


Just calling things as they are ... wake up and smell the stench!!
Anon

I don't think so! I don't think you are calling things as they are. I think you are calling things as either you want them to be, or as you pretend you think them to be.

The stench you smell may be a product of your own hysteria. I advise you to seek counseling at your earliest convenience.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 02:08 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:
ican711nm wrote:
Those who libel or slander Americans by claiming them to be "a Terrorist Malignancy" are in fact abettors and advocates of Terrorist Malignancy, and thus are themselves terrorist malignancy.


Just calling things as they are ... wake up and smell the stench!!
Anon

I don't think so! I don't think you are calling things as they are. I think you are calling things as either you want them to be, or as you pretend you think them to be.

The stench you smell may be a product of your own hysteria. I advise you to seek counseling at your earliest convenience.


I see ... I'm just pretending all those troops have been killed or wounded. I see Rolling Eyes

Anon
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 02:39 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Since you insist on using the Cancer analogy, wouldn't you agree that:

1, there are many different types of 'malignancies' and lumping them all together, from a treatment point of view, doesn't make sense;

2, even for the same types of malignancies, there are several different ways to treat/cure them.
Yes, I do agree with both points 1 and 2!

Now will you agree, that the objective of all these treatments of malignancy is to cure it or at least stop its spread?

While I'm not a medical expert, I nevertheless bet that the only way to cure or stop the spread of malignancy of any kind is to kill it where it exists or remove it from where it exists (which kills it too). The treatment then varies only in the method chosen to kill it.

The longer the cure or stoppage is delayed, the greater the damage the malignancy does and the more difficult it is to cure or stop its spread. The longer the delay, the more likely its victim will not survive.

The human race is the victim of the Terrorist Malignancy. Killing the Terrorist Malignancy sooner than later will save the lives of more human beings.


That being said, a multiple-vector approach is probably the one which is going to be the most successfull; a mixture of police action, economic action, humanitarian aid to the region, and military intervention when absolutely neccessary only will be neccessary to combat this persistent threat to our way of life.
Yes, a mixture of ways demonstrated to cure or stop the spread of Terrorist Malignancy should be employed.

To continue the analogy, any doctor will tell a cancer patient that if they don't want further occurance of cancer, they should watch their diet; in our case, the same advice holds true. A penetrating and frank assessment of our 'intake' will show that there are behavioural changes that we can make in order to practice preventive medecine, and will have the side benefit of leading to greater health in other, non-terrorist related aspects of our American life.
This is a very important point. Once the cure is obtained or the spread stopped, we must look to ways to reduce re-occurrence including, but not limited to, behavioral changes. However, one thing we know that doesn't work for long is quarantine or surgical removal of the infective parts (e.g., isolating or killing potential Terrorist Malignancy victims).

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 02:58 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:

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I see ... I'm just pretending all those troops have been killed or wounded. I see Rolling Eyes Anon

No you don't see or are pretending to not see. All those troops that have been killed or wounded volunteered to risk their lives to protect ours from Terrorist Malignancy. Also, what you see and don't care about, or pretend to not see, are all those human beings being killed or wounded by Terrorist Malignancy. You prefer to blame the would-be doctors trying to treat the desease rather than the desease itself.

The standard chant of Liebrals is that the desease is caused by our trying to treat it; if we the would-be doctors would just leave, the desease would quit on its own.

That's insane!

If all the Terrorist Malignancy really wants is for the would-be doctors to leave, then the best way to accomplish that is for the Terrorist Malignancy to stop killing and maiming. Would-be doctors don't hang around where there is no desease to treat.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:03 pm
liebrals

Laughing
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:21 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:

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I see ... I'm just pretending all those troops have been killed or wounded. I see Rolling Eyes Anon

No you don't see or are pretending to not see. All those troops that have been killed or wounded volunteered to risk their lives to protect ours from Terrorist Malignancy. Also, what you see and don't care about, or pretend to not see, are all those human beings being killed or wounded by Terrorist Malignancy. You prefer to blame the would-be doctors trying to treat the desease rather than the desease itself.

The standard chant of Liebrals is that the desease is caused by our trying to treat it; if we the would-be doctors would just leave, the desease would quit on its own.

That's insane!

If all the Terrorist Malignancy really wants is for the would-be doctors to leave, then the best way to accomplish that is for the Terrorist Malignancy to stop killing and maiming. Would-be doctors don't hang around where there is no desease to treat.
Trying to put a fire out with gasoline, thats insane, thats Iraq.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:50 pm
Amigo wrote:

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Trying to put a fire out with gasoline, thats insane, thats Iraq.

No, that's not Iraq. That's just another Liebral insane characterization of Iraq.

We're trying to cure Terrorist Malignancy in Iraq. We are shooting and bombing it. While gasoline might work too, I favor more directable ordnance that is safer for would-be doctors to use.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 08:09 pm
Me and Icann711nm
Quote:
Quote:
And there are those who think the present insurgency is being waged by forces from outside of Iraq, they are looking through some telescope from some distant edge of the earth. I hope they don't fall off the edge. They have already fallen out of reality.
Who are those folks that think that? I think al-Qaeda is inside Iraq joined with the Saddamists et al waging war inside Iraq principally against the civilian population inside Iraq.


Who are those folks? TIME magazine reports in their March 13th issue :

"72% --Proportion of U.S. troops in Iraq who say a total pullout should occur in the next year.
85% -- Proportion who say the main mission in Iraq is to retaliate for Saddam's role in 9/11."

I guess the President has still got the troops buffaloed.

Joe(they forgot the part about establishing a democracy)Nation
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:14 pm
ICAN'T7COME11,

You're so cute! You remind me of my grandkids when they were 5 and 6, trying to make sense of things that were just too big for them to understand. They would try so hard, but it was just ... sooo big!!



ican711nm wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:

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I see ... I'm just pretending all those troops have been killed or wounded. I see Rolling Eyes Anon

No you don't see or are pretending to not see. All those troops that have been killed or wounded volunteered to risk their lives to protect ours from Terrorist Malignancy.

All those troops that have been killed or wounded are just part of the CURRENT Terrorist Malignancy, sent by the CURRENT Bush Administration. They are busy fighting the AL QUEDA Terrorist Malignancy that was created, trained, funded, and instigated by the LAST BUSH ADMINISTRATION, AND THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION before that.

Also, what you see and don't care about, or pretend to not see, are all those human beings being killed or wounded by Terrorist Malignancy. You prefer to blame the would-be doctors trying to treat the desease rather than the desease itself.

Actually ICAN'T7COME11, if the BUSH/REAGAN ADMINISTRATIONS hadn't created the AlQueda Terrorist Maliganacy in the first place, they wouldn't be there killing people. If the Would-Be Doctors (the CURRENT U.S. Terrorist Malignancy) hadn't taken out the Saddam Government THAT THE REAGAN/BUSH ADMINISTRATIONS had installed as a U.S. PUPPET DICTATOR Government, AlQueda wouldn't be there killing people either.


The standard chant of Liebrals is that the desease is caused by our trying to treat it; if we the would-be doctors would just leave, the desease would quit on its own.

THE UNITED STATES (BUSH NEO-CON FASCIST TERRORIST ADMINISTRATION) IS THE DISEASE !!!!

That's insane!

YES, THE UNITED STATES IS INSANELY EVIL ... THAT MUCH IS TRUE!!

If all the Terrorist Malignancy really wants is for the would-be doctors to leave, then the best way to accomplish that is for the Terrorist Malignancy to stop killing and maiming. Would-be doctors don't hang around where there is no desease to treat.


THE ONLY REAL TERRORIST MALIGNANCY IS THE FASCIST NEO-CON BUSHCO RIGHT WING OF THE UNITED STATES !!!!


Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:17 pm
McGentrix wrote:
liebrals

Laughing


AND OF COURSE ... MCGENTRIX

Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:26 pm
Joe,

GWB said he wanted the ones that could be fooled all of the time ... I would say he got his wish with some of the geniuses on this forum Rolling Eyes

Anon
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:46 pm
Bush may be history, but sadly his work will outlast him
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:03 pm


We should take the people like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and the whole bloody bunch of them and start peeling the skin off these f*ckers. I mean it, there isn't anything evil enough that can be done to them for doing this to the American people ...the bastards!!

Anon
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:00 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:


We should take the people like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and the whole bloody bunch of them and start peeling the skin off these f*ckers. I mean it, there isn't anything evil enough that can be done to them for doing this to the American people ...the bastards!!

Anon


Ssshhhh, you might upset the sensibilities of the keyboard warriors such as icann.
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:04 pm
Bull in the China Shop

by Eric Margolis

The mood across the Mideast could not be grimmer. Criss-crossing the region and meeting with politicians, intelligence officials and businessmen reveals a pervasive feeling events are fast spinning out of control.

The destruction of a key Shia shrine in Samarra last week brought Iraq to the edge of all-out civil war. Some security officials here believe rogue Shia government troops blew up the mosque to steal the gold encrusting its dome. This criminal act provoked a Shia/Sunni bloodbath that left at least 1,300 dead.

Saudi Arabia and Jordan are quietly aiding Sunni forces in Iraq to counter growing Iranian influence over the Shia-run regime in Baghdad. Fears are even being expressed that Iraq's civil conflict might ignite a Sunni/Shia war across the Mideast. Things are so bad in Iraq that a leading Israeli general just observed that overthrowing Saddam Hussein had been a mistake.

Even America's staunchest Arab allies are deeply dismayed by the Bush administration's destabilizing policies. Washington has become the proverbial bull in the Mideast china shop.

Neo-conservatives around Bush were working to overthrow Syria's isolated regime. But just as another "regime change" appeared likely, they pulled back when it was clear the only alternative to Syria's Asad regime was the long-persecuted underground Muslim Brotherhood.

Washington's support of minority, anti-Syrian factions in Lebanon and clumsy political machinations there risk re-igniting the ferocious civil war of 1975-1990.

Meanwhile, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's recent Mideast trip designed to financially and politically strangle the democratically elected Hamas government in Palestine roused widespread rage and contempt.

America is being denounced as arrantly hypocritical for first pretending to promote democracy, then trying to crush its results. Hamas' hard-line policies are not particularly popular in the region, but people feel the deepest anguish for the misery, suffering and dehumanization of Palestinians.

While the Bush administration trumpets Hamas' refusal to so far accept Israel's existence, Arabs keep asking why no pressure is put on Israel to withdraw to its pre-1967 borders, as the UN resolved, stop colonizing the West Bank and Golan, and dismantle its covert nuclear program. (While the U.S. threatens war against Iran over its limited nuclear program, it winks at Israel's large nuclear arsenal. This glaring double standard is a primary cause of anti-American rage across the Muslim world.)

Egypt's formerly petrified political system is beginning to wobble as Islamists gain momentum in spite of repression and vote-rigging. The Saudis escaped a potentially serious attack last week on their main oil complex. In Jordan, security is intense after the recent deadly bombing of an Amman hotel. The Danish cartoon drama enflamed anti-government passions from Morocco to Pakistan, shaking the entire region.

America's allies in the Arab world and Pakistan are pleading with Washington to show some support for Palestinian rights and tone down what is seen across the Mideast as Bush's anti-Islamic crusade. But Washington is heedless to the dangers faced by its allies.

Keynote speaker

The appearance of Vice President Dick Cheney as keynote speaker before the powerful Israel lobbying group AIPAC - which has been under FBI investigation for passing U.S. secrets to Israel - is being viewed, rightly or wrongly as ultimate proof of who really runs U.S. Mideast policy.

Most Mideasterners blame the U.S. for their current woes. Few blame themselves or the inept policies of Arab governments. Anti-American feeling has reached a boiling point as the region waits with dread for more upheavals and violence.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:10 pm
Well, at least America wasn't responsible for the Danish cartoons.
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:25 pm
McTag wrote:
Well, at least America wasn't responsible for the Danish cartoons.

At least. Laughing
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 7 Mar, 2006 11:53 am
Anon-Voter wrote:
ICAN'T7COME11,

You're so cute! You remind me of my grandkids when they were 5 and 6, trying to make sense of things that were just too big for them to understand. They would try so hard, but it was just ... sooo big!!

O' my God! You have grandchildren! What a terrible example you are providing them. Instead of trying to rebut my arguments with facts and logic, you libel me and the USA.

Dontcha know? That's tantamount to declaring you believe what you want to believe or pretend to believe, and not what you can rationally justify.

Your capitulation, despite its camouflage by you, is accepted! Now for the sake of your grandchildren show them a better example. I recommend that you start with a modicum of effort to either rationally rebut the following or confess you cannot:


ican711nm wrote:

What you see and don't care about, or pretend to not see, are all those human beings being killed or wounded by Terrorist Malignancy. You prefer to blame the USA, the would-be doctors, trying to treat the desease rather than the desease itself.

...

The standard chant of Liebrals is that the desease is caused by our trying to treat it; if we the would-be doctors would just leave, the desease would quit on its own.

...

If all the Terrorist Malignancy really wants is for the would-be doctors to leave, then the best way to accomplish that is for the Terrorist Malignancy to stop killing and maiming. Would-be doctors don't hang around where there is no desease to treat.

...

FACT: The state of Afghanistan allowed sanctuary to al-Qaeda Terrorist Malignancy from May 1996 to October 2001 (one month after 9/11), when the USA invaded Afghanistan to end their sanctuary in Afghanistan.

FACT: Al-Qaeda Terrorist Malignancy murdered 3,000 American civilians in America five and a half years after it obtained sanctuary in Afghanistan.

FACT: The state of Iraq allowed sanctuary to al-Qaeda Terrorist Malignancy from December 2001 to March 2003, when the USA invaded Iraq to end their sanctuary in Iraq.

QUESTION: If USA had not invaded Iraq, how many years after al-Qaeda Terrorist Malignancy obtained sanctuary in Iraq would al-Qaeda Terrorist Malignancy have murdered more American civilians in America?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 7 Mar, 2006 01:50 pm
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=3889&R=C495A28
While Saddam Hussein was president of the Iraq government, his regime murdered Iraqi civilian men, women, and children.

Over the 24 years or 8766 days from 1979 to 2003, Saddam Hussein’s regime murdered more than 576,000, or on average, more than 2,000 per month.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1039115/posts
Over the 12 years or 4383 days from 1991 to 2003, Saddam Hussein’s regime murdered more than 288,000 , or, on average, more than 2,000 per month.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
While the coalition prepared to invade, invaded and is working to secure the Iraq government, the Saddamists & al-Qaeda et al murdered and the Coalition killed non-combatant Iraqi civilians.

The number of non-combatant civilians murdered or killed since 01/01/2003 as of:

10/31/2005 (1034 days) -- total = 30,373 -- average monthly rate approximately = 894;
11/30/2005 (1064 days) -- total = 30,934 -- average monthly rate approximately = 884;
12/31/2005 (1095 days) -- total = 31,319 -- average monthly rate approximately = 870;
01/31/2006 (1126 days) -- total = 31,928 -- average monthly rate approximately = 863;
02/28/2006 (1154 days) -- total = 32,506 -- average monthly rate approximately = 856.

It’s admittedly terribly slow progress, but it is nevertheless measurable progress.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 7 Mar, 2006 02:01 pm
Don't forget folks, we made that long expensive trip to the sandy wastes of Iraq because Saddam was a very, very bad man.
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