Abortion

Ok, I realize that I have come across as very narrow-minded on this particular thread. Let me try one more time...

I acknowledge that technically, it is the right of the woman to do what she wishes. With that said, I do not respect a woman that insists on an abortion, when there is a responsibile, stable father who wants to raise the child.

Armageddon, it's nice that that in your first thirty seconds on this forum you are already passing judgement on me. Sorry to disappoint you, but you will find that I do not convienently fall into a category like "pro-life" or "pro-choice." It's not that simple.

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John Creasy wrote:

Ok, I realize that I have come across as very narrow-minded on this particular thread.

Heh! You shouldn't speak and listen only to the image you see in your mirror, there are others here as well! :wink:

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

John Creasy wrote:
Ok, I realize that I have come across as very narrow-minded on this particular thread.

Heh! You shouldn't speak and listen only to the image you see in your mirror, there are others here as well! :wink:

you lost me on that one chief

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John Creasy wrote:

joefromchicago wrote:
John Creasy wrote:
Uh, no I wouldn't. The only time I said I would fight to keep a baby from being aborted is if it was consentually conceived by ME and a woman. I might not like abortion, but I wouldn't try to tell a woman that doesn't carry my baby anything. Let alone a woman that was raped. Comprende???

Even if the rapist-father offered to take and raise the baby?

Don't be an ass dude.

I could say the same about you, but then I don't know enough about your position to make a determination. That's why I asked my question.

And given your stated position, I don't think it was a frivolous question at all. If the father has as much right to decide on an abortion as the woman, then why would the circumstances of the conception play any role in limiting the scope of that right? If you have a principled reason to distinguish between the caring, nurturing boyfriend who will take and raise his child and the caring, nurturing rapist who will do the same, then you need to make it clear.

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In my opinion, life begins at conception.

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Momma Angel wrote:

In my opinion, life begins at conception.

So do I. The cells of the embryo are alive. But at that point in its development, is it HUMAN life? That is the question.

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And therein lies the rub, Phoenix. I would think it safe to say that if that question could be answered we would have no controversy.

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flushd said,

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Bottom line is always: It is a woman's body to do with as she likes.

TRue,and that goes back to my original point.
If she has an abortion,she pays for it.
If she decides to have the baby,she pays for it.

Remember,since its her body,she is 100% responsible for any and all choices she makes.

The father can not be forced to suppport the child unless he wants to,period.

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joefromchicago wrote:

If the father has as much right to decide on an abortion as the woman, then why would the circumstances of the conception play any role in limiting the scope of that right? If you have a principled reason to distinguish between the caring, nurturing boyfriend who will take and raise his child and the caring, nurturing rapist who will do the same, then you need to make it clear.

This statement speaks for itself.

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
In my opinion, life begins at conception.

So do I. The cells of the embryo are alive. But at that point in its development, is it HUMAN life? That is the question.

An arm is full of cells. An arm is human. So, in amputating an arm, you are committing murder.

Sorry, I had to get that out. Along the same lines of is a miscarriage or stillbirth the act of a mother committing murder?

Anyway, my answer to your question is both. It is human life, but not its own human life. It is merely an extention of the mother's life, along the same lines of a limb, or even hair, if you can see eggs as something that disposable.

Of course you can't. Otherwise, you wouldn't hold your position.

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When does it become its own human life?
When its born?
When it can survive on its own?

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At the point of self-dependency. If it could survive outside the whom, then it is alive. This occurs about the fifth to sixth month of pregnancy. I say, it's not alive in the first and second trimester, during which, abortion should be legal. After that, it shouldn't be allowed.

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how many human eggs would it take to make an omelette?

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That's really not something we want to know.

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John Creasy wrote:

This statement speaks for itself.

As does yours.

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blueveinedthrobber wrote:

how many human eggs would it take to make an omelette?

ewww......a delicacy only Trump could love.

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blueveinedthrobber wrote:

I think only certain women who are physically ideal for child bearing and are attractive and have a minimum IQ of 110 should be allowed to be impregnated.

The remaining attractive women or women generously endowed in erotic areas should be kept as concubines for men, and all other women should be utilized as domestic or agricultural laborers and of course be sterilized.

I thing only men who are physically ideal and are attractive and have a minimum IQ of 150 should be allowed to impregnate.

The remaining men should be vanquished to a farm and checked out when needed for manual labor and of course be sterilized and brainwashed to no longer be predators. Stepford men - bring it on!

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Cool! A feisty one! Welcome to A2K!

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mimilaura wrote:

blueveinedthrobber wrote:
I think only certain women who are physically ideal for child bearing and are attractive and have a minimum IQ of 110 should be allowed to be impregnated.

The remaining attractive women or women generously endowed in erotic areas should be kept as concubines for men, and all other women should be utilized as domestic or agricultural laborers and of course be sterilized.

I thing only men who are physically ideal and are attractive and have a minimum IQ of 150 should be allowed to impregnate.

The remaining men should be vanquished to a farm and checked out when needed for manual labor and of course be sterilized and brainwashed to no longer be predators. Stepford men - bring it on!

Iron my shirt woman.

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I feel like I'm back at the trailor park....

Rolling Eyes

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