'another Letter from Jesus Christ'

Im stunned........look that quote is not Jesus from any version of the Bible!

KJV - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


jesus is not saying that those are not his words in Bible.



Secondly


2:7 Pslams David is also decreed Gods begotten son

I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Exodus 'the begotten son of God'


4:20 Moses took his wife and sons and, putting them on a donkey, set out to return to Egypt. He also took the divine staff in his hand.
4:21 God said to Moses, 'On your way back to Egypt, keep in mind all the wondrous powers that I have placed in your hand. You will use them before Pharaoh. But I will make him obstinate, and he will not allow the people to leave.
4:22 You must say to Pharaoh, 'This is what God says: Israel is My son, My firstborn.

stevewonder,

That's not the verse I was talking about. I was talking about where He said I am the Truth, the Way, and the Life. Sorry for the confusion.

How old was David when God said that? If God had just made him His begotten son, couldn't that mean "adopted"? To be begotten is to be born of.

God had a perfect plan from the start. He knew that we would need a redeemer. And God knew that without a redeemer we were dead in our sins. Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." John 3:16-17, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." God's perfect plan for our redemption was foiled without a sinless Jesus.

If it were perfect from the start, why would it need to be redeemed midway through??? What would we need to be 'redeemed' of in a perfect world?
How people swallow this tripe is beyond me...

Doktor S,

You seem to forget, man was given free will. Man messed up, not God.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Yes, without that whole 'freewill' thing, it would crumble rather quickly wouldn't it?
Good thing freewill is an ineffable truth!
Oh..wait....

Besides, freewill doesn't work within the context of christianity either. The whole omniscience thing throws a monkey wrench in there.

Christianity..cant live with freewill, can't live without it..
What to do what to do.....

Dokstor S,

As a self-proclaimed Satanist, I really didn't expect you to accept it.

No, whereas christianity is a religion of faith, Satanism champions pure doubt.
But I didn't even have to flex my doubting muscle to see the absurdity of this one.

PS MA..what does my being a Satanist have to do with anything? Do you think any other non-christian would accept it any faster?

PSS - No need to get hostile.

Doktor S,

I'm not getting hostile. Did I sound like I was? I didn't mean it to.

You do understand that Christians believe Satan is the Father of Lies, right? To me, Satan is opposite of God so I am not going to just readily accept it anymore than you would Christianity.

Satanists don't seek converts and we don't prosletize. In fact, we actively drive away people that don't cut the mustard.
No worries!

You actively drive people away? Hmmm. Seems like your numbers would dwindle then, wouldn't it?

Swelling our numbers is not an issue. Satanism is an elitist philosophy.
water seeks it's own level.

I guess that's my biggest problem with what you are saying, that is, if I am understanding you.

It seems to be centered around "self"?

You bet

Doktor S, then you and other Satanists are setting yourselves up as gods?

From what I've seen, all people who work in IT think they're god.

emphasis mine

You're parsing, you're cutting, you're trimming, but the fact remains that Christian theology teaches that the thought of anger is the sin. It doesn't matter a whit if one 'stays' in the sin, though it might make it a greater evil, the thought itself is the sin.

AND Jesus was angry at that poor fig tree and later, he acted out of resentment at the temple traders. He'd been walking by those guys for months and never gave them a thought, that day he started swinging. Why? Because he was still p'o'd at the fig tree. Anger is a sin and Jesus was guilty of it. Got it?

Oh and by the way, let's not talk about God murdering people, first let's talk about the sin of adultery and whether or not God was guilty of messing with a woman without the benefit of marriage. Poor Joseph, the first major cuckold in literature.

Joe(You say you're pregnant and who's the Father? Holy Moley!!)Nation

My understanding is that anger, jealousy, snideness, revenge, etc, are sins because they show a lack of faith.

One who has faith that these things will be handled in time by God, without a need for the person wronged to intervene, is showing true faith.

There should be no reason for a person of faith to have negative feelings when they truely believe that it will be dealt with by a higher being. That is why the Bible instructs us to turn the other cheek. That is why we are told to "turn it over" to God.

I once had a woman of excellent faith tell me a story of visiting her missionary daughter in a remote part of the world. This woman has an affliction (not sure what it is) that short term can be "treated" or have symptoms abated by eating a certain food.

Shortly after her arrival in this distant land with no comforts, her symptoms appeared. Very shortly, a neighbor arrived to welcome her and thank her for her daughters good works. She brought a gift... the exact food that the woman needed for her illness.

I said "WOW! Weren't you floored?" (Cause I was)

She said, "No. I expect God to meet my needs. If I were surprised I would be showing a lack of faith."

Now, I tell you this, MA, because it was quite useful to me in understanding the very nature of faith.

May you be blessed with understanding.

Why do we never hear about the days when Jesus pooped all day, cried and kept Mary up all night, was a terror at 2 and a brat at 4.....where is THAT in the bible?