Clemency for Tookie?

People can think of it how they want, of course. But I don't think the state should be motivated by vengeance.

And the fact that some states (take Texas, please) seem to run capital-punishment mills, and others hardly (or never) do it at all suggests that something's amiss, no?

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Why do you say the state is motivated by vengance? Why isn't it justice?

D'artagnan wrote:

And the fact that some states (take Texas, please) seem to run capital-punishment mills, and others hardly (or never) do it at all suggests that something's amiss, no?

Not at all. Some states and the people in those states are going to be more inclined to use the death penalty than others. That would suggest to me that state laws and regulations are working like they should.

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NAACP PRESS CONFERENCE: Announcement of New Information in Stanley Tookie Williams Case.

Compton - Gordon Bradbury Von Ellmerman, former prison cell mate George Oglesby to provide key evidence that will reveal that Stanley Tookie Williams may have been framed.

"We are calling for legislators to outlaw the use of jailhouse informants and those who may benefit by lying on others to get their sentences reduced," commented Reverend Shaw of the NAACP.

WHAT: NAACP to present information that Stanley Tookie Williams was possibly framed

WHEN: Monday, December 12 - 10:30 am

WHERE: World Literacy Crusade - 3209 North Alameda Blvd., Compton, CA

WHO: Reverend Fredrick D. Shaw Jr., President Compton NAACP, Gordon Bradbury Von Ellmerman, former prison cell mate of George Oglesby, Joint Board of Compton Community Organizations
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Source:

Reverend Fred Shaw

310-714-5093

[email protected]

Star Brown

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D'artagnan wrote:

People can think of it how they want, of course. But I don't think the state should be motivated by vengeance.

How about being motivated by a desire to completely eliminate a member of society who committed especially brutal murders? What about being motivated by a desire to tell potential future murders that this might be their fate? Those are practical considerations.

D'artagnan wrote:

And the fact that some states (take Texas, please) seem to run capital-punishment mills, and others hardly (or never) do it at all suggests that something's amiss, no?

It might require study, but it isn't clear that it implies that Texas is doing the wrong thing.

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BREAKING NEWS!

NEW EVIDENCE OF INNOCENCE

Read the Document
http://www.savetookie.org/

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Quote:

Misplaced Sympathy for Killers

Stanley "Tookie" Williams is scheduled to die by lethal injection in California's San Quentin prison next Tuesday. His death will occur nearly 27 years after he brutally murdered Albert Owens, a 7-Eleven clerk in Whittier, Calif., and three members of the Yang family -- Yen-I Yang, Tsai-Shai Yang, and their daughter, Yee-Chen Lin -- at the Brookhaven Motel in Los Angeles.

Unlike the peaceful, painless demise awaiting Williams, the deaths of his victims were horrific: He shot each of them at close range with a 12-gauge shotgun, shattering their bodies so that they died in agony. Their suffering amused him. "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him," Williams bragged after killing Albert Owens. According to the district attorney's summary of the evidence, "Williams then made gurgling or growling noises and laughed hysterically about Owens's death."

As cofounder of the deadly Crips street gang in 1971, Williams's criminal legacy goes well beyond the four murders for which he was convicted. The gang violence he unleashed 34 years ago has destroyed thousands of lives and left countless other victims scarred by rape, assault, and armed robbery. Though he now claims to have reformed and has written books with an antigang message, he has never admitted his guilt or expressed any remorse for the slaughter of Albert Owens and the Yang family. If his supposed contrition amounts to anything more than lip service, he has yet to prove it. Williams adamantly refuses to be debriefed by police about the Crips and their operations or to provide any information that could help bring other killers to justice. In fact, officials at San Quentin have said he continues to orchestrate gang activity from behind bars.

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blueflame1 wrote:

BREAKING NEWS!

NEW EVIDENCE OF INNOCENCE

Read the Document
http://www.savetookie.org/

But of course he didn't do it. Every one in jail is innocent. We should trust this website to be objective.

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D'artagnan- nothing is amiss. some of us just get tired of people who are will to take the lives of other people amd do it with so little regard, and then when its their turn, they statrt whinning and sniveling. Does the phrase "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" ring a bell. We are made up of free will and freedom to choose and act. When a person commits a violent crime the warrants and deserves the death penalty (read four shotgun murders) then they deserve to forfeit their life. Prisons are filled with people who "found Jesus" or "repent my sinful past" or "have written books against gangs." Tough! If they made those decisions before hand they would not have committed the crimes.
It is time, as they say, for these people to pay the piper.
Oh, just so you know, it is not about revenge or blood lust as you may believe. It is about the payment for the crime.

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The 9th Circus just said Tookie is toast: Court rejects appeal before Calif. execution - every court that has considered the matter has found the evidence sufficient to uphold the sentence. The wires now are saying The Governator's tender mercies have not been swayed either, it seems Tookie is to be terminated.

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alas alas, what shall Arnold do?

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Arnold said Tookie's going to die.....looks like it's going forward.

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yes Arnold yes Tookie to be terminated, I hope he has the guard lined up and armed. Frankly I don't give a damn about Tookie but this is really stupid.

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Even Arnold can see the forensics in this case are extremely tainted.

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Look for rioting(looting) in the neighborhoods where the stores which sell finer goods are located. Thugs never miss an opportunity like this to get that widescreen.

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liquor stores first, single malt scotch is safe on the shelves.

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Could be murders too, Jesse Jackson's out here now...if anyone gets between he and the TV camera, ouch.

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""revolution is taking place in the courtroom as long accepted forensic methods are challenged under the Daubert/Kumho Tire standard of scientific reliability No longer is it simply assumed that generally accepted forensic methods are in fact reliable." http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:snUOqIZcQ0sJ:www.law-forensic.com/iacdl_newsletter_spring_2003.htm+Joan+Griffin+%26+David+LaMagna,+Daubert+Challenges+to+Forensic+Evidence:+Ballistics+Next+on+the+Firing+Line&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Like with DNA if there are new forensic tests that could prove a man innocent then they should be used before we execute another innocent person. Forensic testing that has been used for years was not even applied in this case. The forensic "expert" changed his story. We may very well execute a man and then prove his innocence. And I guess that would be quite alright by many Americans.

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Doubt "finer neighborhoods" will experience much inconvenience - them folks generally confine their destructive insanity to their own environs. Prolly not real good news for inner-city Korean shop owners, though.

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No surprise. Asta la vista Arnold.

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Blueflame, to the best of my knowledge (which admitedly is imperfect), never have genetic forensics ever indicated an innocent has been executed. Not to say the execution of innocents have not occurred, of course, just that genetic forensics have not shown an innocent ever has been executed.

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