Maybe he means like when Mothers swear they were told by God to drown their children in the bathtub.
you know. That kinda thing. But, I'm just guessing.
That's not spirituality-- that's schizophrenia.
Agreed Lash. That is definitely not spirituality.
Lash wrote:That's not spirituality-- that's schizophrenia.
But maybe god did tell her to drown her own kids... How can you be sure ?
I happen to know someone so spiritually attached to God that she attempted to hurt herself and her children. She thought it would be good to be with God.
At what point is the line drawn between what is spirituality and what is mental illness? Can't be "harming oneself or others" 'cause supposedly God told GW to invade Iraq.
Are people that believe in ghosts mentally ill? Or spiritually in-tuned? How is that different from believing in God?
(stirring the pot a bit. Don't want anything getting scorched at the bottom of the pan.)
The only biblical examples we have are:
Abraham, who was not permitted to go through with the sacrifice of Isaac.
Baal worshipers, who played cymbals to drown out the screams of children as they were burned alive.
So which god are you referring to?
all them gods is pretty much the same.
Lash wrote:mesquite--
You will have to learn that, to some, the focal point of their spiritual life is just as sacred--if not more --than their family.
I never said it wasn't, I merely pointed out that to some, devotion to their president is as sacred--if not more --than their family. My point was only why should those with attachments to mythological characters be given special consideration over those with attachments to real people?
Lash wrote:And, since when is liking porn bashing?
To me it is not, and neither is wearing army boots, even though I was a USAF guy. Did you make that remark to edgar as term of endearment?
Lash wrote:How do you arrive at that conclusion?
Crap. I can't concentrate long enough to really answer this right now. I hope you'll be around later, or maybe even this weekend, when I finally get a chance to get back to you about this.
neologist wrote:The only biblical examples we have are:
Abraham, who was not permitted to go through with the sacrifice of Isaac.
Baal worshipers, who played cymbals to drown out the screams of children as they were burned alive.
So which god are you referring to?
Are you certain those are the only two?
neologist wrote:The only biblical examples we have are:
Abraham, who was not permitted to go through with the sacrifice of Isaac.
Baal worshipers, who played cymbals to drown out the screams of children as they were burned alive.
So which god are you referring to?
How about old scumbag?
Deuteronomy:21
Quote:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
I cringe whenever I see discussion of the punishment of children intermingled with biblical talk. You never know how deep the delusions run.
Quote:Commandments from God
She knows it was wrong now, but Deanna Laney was unremorseful and sincerely believed she was carrying out God's will even six days after she stoned two of her sons to death last year, jurors learned from a videotaped interview Thursday.
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Hello Everyone,
Well, I see some have really taken the title of this thread to heart!
There are many things to many people that are very sacred to them. To some, it is their family, to some it is money, to some it is the law, to some it is their spiritual beliefs.
Isn't the main point that we are all different? Is it so wrong for all of us to be different? If it is wrong for us to be different, then why do so many get upset if they perceive someone to be homophobic, sexist, racist, etc? Yes, a person's spiritual beliefs are a choice. We are given that right by the constitution. We are given the right to either have beliefs or choose not to have beliefs.
Is it right to demean or ridicule anyone for exercising their constitutional rights? For those of you that stick to the constitution so staunchly, are you following the spirit of the constitution?
There are many prejudices in this world. For some reason, it seems religious bigotry does not seem to be an accepted concept by some.
I may not agree with the Muslims (and Mesquite, before you go looking, yes, I made a disparaging remark about the Muslims. I also apologized for this and my apology was accepted.) or with Buddhists or with Moonies or atheists, etc., but that does not give me the right legally nor morally IMO to ridicule them for that.
Honestly everyone, why do you feel it is okay to ridicule someone for what they believe in? I am asking this question in the spirit of this thread. I desperately would like to understand this more fully.
Well, MA, when religion is such a divisive issue, even to the point of slaughter, folks understandably speak out against it in the strongest terms.
Ridicule would seem preferable to a suicide bombing, would it not?
As for skeeter's railings against what is written in the OT, I can understand it simply as his lack of understanding of the reasons for the Mosaic law. (But, then again, most believers don't understand it either)
He and CI have already declined my offer of explanation. I can understand that, too.
Gotta maintain those barriers, you know. The consequence might be seeing a responsibility to God.
I undertsand, Neo. I just don't understand how some feel it's not okay to ridicule one thing but okay to ridicule another.
MA,
You have always had a hard time separating the ridiculing of a ridiculous argument from the ridiculing of the person.
By the way I am glad to see you looking in and participating in the Islam threads. I hope it helps you to see the difficulty of arguing against a faith and why it is important to keep faith and governance separate.
neologist wrote:As for skeeter's railings against what is written in the OT, I can understand it simply as his lack of understanding of the reasons for the Mosaic law. (But, then again, most believers don't understand it either)
The fact that you have found a way to rationalize away what is clearly written is no reason to excuse what is written. The fact that you rail against what priests have taught yet readily accept the book that the priests assembled has seemed odd to me, but I like you just the same.
neologist wrote:He and CI have already declined my offer of explanation. I can understand that, too.
Gotta maintain those barriers, you know. The consequence might be seeing a responsibility to God.
Say what? Reference please.
What it is really teaching me, Mesquite, is that I should respect a person for what they believe. Part of that respect is not ridiculing their argument. It is obviously not ridiculous to them. I am trying to stick to just showing them what I believe and why and they are doing the same with me. Why is that a problem with some?
Don't you think a person with faith and beliefs might also think a person with no faith and no beliefs might have a ridiculous argument also?
It's just that we are different, Mesquite. That's all. Justifying it by saying it is not the person you are ridiculing doesn't cut it with me, I'm sorry. I have no right to ridicule you and you have no right to ridicule me either. That's my opinion, yes.
Uhmm. This little charade that you have been engaged in for a few days with the MR. this and Mr. that barrage has not been your little miss nicey nice way of ridiculing?
No Mesquite, it is not.
I have been trying to pick out things in what has been said and look at them positively. I am not going to meet rancor with rancor anymore. It does disservice to everyone.
I have been trying to meet negativity with with humor and lightheartedness.
You have been dragging your fingernails down the blackboard and you "dadburn" well know it.
