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I know Set pretty well.

I think we can agree that he's unlikely to do anything because anyone/anything else tells him to.

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ehBeth wrote:

I know Set pretty well.

I think we can agree that he's unlikely to do anything because anyone/anything else tells him to.

Do you believe that Setanta knows that he will never do this, or that he believes (maybe even strongly) that he won't?

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I know.
And he knows.

The last time he did what he was told to do was in the army.

Long time passing.

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ehBeth wrote:

I know.
And he knows.

The last time he did what he was told to do was in the army.

Long time passing.

Do you know the difference between belief and knowledge?

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There's a reason I responded as I did, Implicator.

That reason is that I recognize the difference between knowledge and belief. And I accept it.

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ehBeth wrote:

There's a reason I responded as I did, Implicator.

That reason is that I recognize the difference between knowledge and belief. And I accept it.

So what is the difference between knowledge and belief?

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I believe you're trying to get me to do your homework, and I know I'm too old to fall for it Cool

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snood wrote:

Edgar, are you saying now that you had no idea what you said about Jesus would hurt the feelings of anyone?
I agree with Lash (someone mark the date) that it's hard to understand why someone would gratuitously attack something so obviously important to someone.

It's the same to me as if I say "your mom likes porn", and then "but I'm just joking".

And if you say it's just attacking something not real, what if its something someone believes in personally? Why isn't that enough to make it off limits, or at least worthy of some respect?

A bit of pot kettle going on there Snood? I doubt it would be hard to find any number of posts by you laying some pretty offensive terms on this administration. As a follower of political threads I am certain that you are aware of some over there who elevate Bush to a godlike position. Why no concern for their feelings?

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ehBeth wrote:

I believe you're trying to get me to do your homework, and I know I'm too old to fall for it

I believe you are avoiding answering a question that is crucial to supporting your earlier assertions Wink

A necessary component of knowledge is truth - that is, something must be true in order for you to claim that you know it. I know of no way for you or Setanta to demonstrate the truth of the assertion that he will never (i.e. speaking of the future) kill someone because a god tells him to do so.

Both you and he may feel very, very, very certain that he will never do such a thing. However, I see no way for either of you to support a claim to know that he will never do such a thing, as supporting such a claim requires demonstration of the truth of actions (or lack thereof) in the future.

From a less technical and more anecdotal standpoint, it can be demonstrated as "true" that people do things all the time that neither they nor others ever thought they would do. People change their mind. Circumstances arise that change the conditions that people make decisions under, thus (sometimes) changing their decisions.

Making this distinction between belief and knowledge may sound like nitpicking, but Setanta introduced this distinction in his response to Momma Angel.

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Implicator - my answer provided you with my definition.

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ehBeth wrote:

Implicator - my answer provided you with my definition.

Not really, it only gave an example of you using the two words in question.

Maybe you could provide some specifics on what the distinction is, in your mind.

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mesquite wrote:

snood wrote:
Edgar, are you saying now that you had no idea what you said about Jesus would hurt the feelings of anyone?
I agree with Lash (someone mark the date) that it's hard to understand why someone would gratuitously attack something so obviously important to someone.

It's the same to me as if I say "your mom likes porn", and then "but I'm just joking".

And if you say it's just attacking something not real, what if its something someone believes in personally? Why isn't that enough to make it off limits, or at least worthy of some respect?

A bit of pot kettle going on there Snood? I doubt it would be hard to find any number of posts by you laying some pretty offensive terms on this administration. As a follower of political threads I am certain that you are aware of some over there who elevate Bush to a godlike position. Why no concern for their feelings?

mesquite -
If you are going to include politicians and politics under "things held personally and believed in", I suppose you could say it's pot kettle. I happen to think that politics and world affairs and current events and societal observations aren't exactly the same as family members or a personal relationship with a God of one's understanding, but hey, opinions and a-holes, y'know?

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snood,
I made no mention of family members and neither did edgar. That was lash that switched to personal family bashing which I do think is a horse of a different color.

You apparently have no qualms about hitting on political ideology no matter how dearly it may be held by others. I see little difference between bashing a sitting president or a depicted deity such as biblegod. There is ample justification for both and those that are too thin skinned to take it should not be participating IMO.

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mesquite wrote:

snood,
I made no mention of family members and neither did edgar. That was lash that switched to personal family bashing which I do think is a horse of a different color.

You apparently have no qualms about hitting on political ideology no matter how dearly it may be held by others. I see little difference between bashing a sitting president or a depicted deity such as biblegod. There is ample justification for both and those that are too thin skinned to take it should not be participating IMO.

Mr. Mesquite,

How are you this fine day, Mr. Mesquite?

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You see no difference between bashing a sitting president or a depicted deity such as biblegod? Oh Mr. Mesquite, there is a great difference here. The president is a man. :wink: God is not. There are those in this world that do not put their faith in man, but in whom they believe is the Creator of us all.

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Do you really think it is a nice thing to do ~ slandering someone's most personally held beliefs Question

Mr. Mesquite, I know how much the law and rules mean to you (I get this from your posts) so I think you (and the rest of us that aren't doing it) would be one that would definitely want to stick to the guidelines and TOS here on A2K? :wink:

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.....It is not the place to attack others for their most personally held beliefs.

I read that to mean everyone. I read that to mean those that have beliefs in God or no beliefs in God. Don't you, Mr. Mesquite Idea

I hope that you have a wonderful day, Mr. Mesquite.

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mesquite--

You will have to learn that, to some, the focal point of their spiritual life is just as sacred--if not more --than their family.

And, since when is liking porn bashing?

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I leave this room for a few days and the whole place goes to hell...

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squinney wrote:

I leave this room for a few days and the whole place goes to hell...

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Lash wrote:

mesquite--

You will have to learn that, to some, the focal point of their spiritual life is just as sacred--if not more --than their family.

Yes, and those people are known as religious fanatics. If someone believes in their god to the point where their family is second to that, I mean TRULY believes it, then their views are silly at best, and dangerous at worst.

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