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O'Reilly - "Very Secret Plan to Diminish Christianity"

 
 
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 03:13 am
Only for you, sweetums, only for you....
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 03:20 am
Wow...I'm getting a lot of brainstorm assistance here. Thanks guys.


Like Deb, I'm unsettled by this one below. It not just that the whole vista conjures up the greatest of imaginable evils - Dick Cheney at Altamont - but even moreso that a god would have such bad taste that she'd go and hang Robert Goulet from her pussy.

http://www.iloveulove.com/images/kali10g.jpg
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 03:38 am
Mr Stillwater wrote:
Kali is the Goddess of PMS??


That's funny too. I'm going to tell that one to Lola in...oh...eight days or so. She'll laugh and laugh.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 03:39 am
blatham wrote:
Mr Stillwater wrote:
Kali is the Goddess of PMS??


That's funny too. I'm going to tell that one to Lola in...oh...eight days or so. She'll laugh and laugh.


And stab you. If you're lucky.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 03:42 am
If you think that fellow 'napping' still has his goolies intact - think again.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 05:08 am
Quote:
This Season's War Cry: Commercialize Christmas, or Else

By ADAM COHEN
Published: December 4, 2005

Religious conservatives have a cause this holiday season: the commercialization of Christmas. They're for it.

The American Family Association is leading a boycott of Target for not using the words "Merry Christmas" in its advertising. (Target denies it has an anti-Merry-Christmas policy.) The Catholic League boycotted Wal-Mart in part over the way its Web site treated searches for "Christmas." Bill O'Reilly, the Fox anchor who last year started a "Christmas Under Siege" campaign, has a chart on his Web site of stores that use the phrase "Happy Holidays," along with a poll that asks, "Will you shop at stores that do not say 'Merry Christmas'?"

This campaign - which is being hyped on Fox and conservative talk radio - is an odd one. Christmas remains ubiquitous, and with its celebrators in control of the White House, Congress, the Supreme Court and every state supreme court and legislature, it hardly lacks for powerful supporters. There is also something perverse, when Christians are being jailed for discussing the Bible in Saudi Arabia and slaughtered in Sudan, about spending so much energy on stores that sell "holiday trees."

What is less obvious, though, is that Christmas's self-proclaimed defenders are rewriting the holiday's history. They claim that the "traditional" American Christmas is under attack by what John Gibson, another Fox anchor, calls "professional atheists" and "Christian haters." But America has a complicated history with Christmas, going back to the Puritans, who despised it. What the boycotters are doing is not defending America's Christmas traditions, but creating a new version of the holiday that fits a political agenda.

The Puritans considered Christmas un-Christian, and hoped to keep it out of America. They could not find Dec. 25 in the Bible, their sole source of religious guidance, and insisted that the date derived from Saturnalia, the Roman heathens' wintertime celebration. On their first Dec. 25 in the New World, in 1620, the Puritans worked on building projects and ostentatiously ignored the holiday. From 1659 to 1681 Massachusetts went further, making celebrating Christmas "by forbearing of labor, feasting or in any other way" a crime.

The concern that Christmas distracted from religious piety continued even after Puritanism waned. In 1827, an Episcopal bishop lamented that the Devil had stolen Christmas "and converted it into a day of worldly festivity, shooting and swearing." Throughout the 1800's, many religious leaders were still trying to hold the line. As late as 1855, New York newspapers reported that Presbyterian, Baptist and Methodist churches were closed on Dec. 25 because "they do not accept the day as a Holy One." On the eve of the Civil War, Christmas was recognized in just 18 states.

Christmas gained popularity when it was transformed into a domestic celebration, after the publication of Clement Clarke Moore's "Visit from St. Nicholas" and Thomas Nast's Harper's Weekly drawings, which created the image of a white-bearded Santa who gave gifts to children. The new emphasis lessened religious leaders' worries that the holiday would be given over to drinking and swearing, but it introduced another concern: commercialism. By the 1920's, the retail industry had adopted Christmas as its own, sponsoring annual ceremonies to kick off the "Christmas shopping season."

Religious leaders objected strongly. The Christmas that emerged had an inherent tension: merchants tried to make it about buying, while clergymen tried to keep commerce out. A 1931 Times roundup of Christmas sermons reported a common theme: "the suggestion that Christmas could not survive if Christ were thrust into the background by materialism." A 1953 Methodist sermon broadcast on NBC - typical of countless such sermons - lamented that Christmas had become a "profit-seeking period." This ethic found popular expression in "A Charlie Brown Christmas." In the 1965 TV special, Charlie Brown ignores Lucy's advice to "get the biggest aluminum tree you can find" and her assertion that Christmas is "a big commercial racket," and finds a more spiritual way to observe the day.

This year's Christmas "defenders" are not just tolerating commercialization - they're insisting on it. They are also rewriting Christmas history on another key point: non-Christians' objection to having the holiday forced on them.

The campaign's leaders insist this is a new phenomenon - a "liberal plot," in Mr. Gibson's words. But as early as 1906, the Committee on Elementary Schools in New York City urged that Christmas hymns be banned from the classroom, after a boycott by more than 20,000 Jewish students. In 1946, the Rabbinical Assembly of America declared that calling on Jewish children to sing Christmas carols was "an infringement on their rights as Americans."

Other non-Christians have long expressed similar concerns. For decades, companies have replaced "Christmas parties" with "holiday parties," schools have adopted "winter breaks" instead of "Christmas breaks," and TV stations and stores have used phrases like "Happy Holidays" and "Season's Greetings" out of respect for the nation's religious diversity.

The Christmas that Mr. O'Reilly and his allies are promoting - one closely aligned with retailers, with a smack-down attitude toward nonobservers - fits with their campaign to make America more like a theocracy, with Christian displays on public property and Christian prayer in public schools.

It does not, however, appear to be catching on with the public. That may be because most Americans do not recognize this commercialized, mean-spirited Christmas as their own. Of course, it's not even clear the campaign's leaders really believe in it. Just a few days ago, Fox News's online store was promoting its "Holiday Collection" for shoppers. Among the items offered to put under a "holiday tree" was "The O'Reilly Factor Holiday Ornament." After bloggers pointed this out, Fox changed the "holidays" to "Christmases."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/opinion/04sun3.html?hp
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 08:43 am
blatham, quoting the New York Times' Adam Cohen, wrote:
It does not, however, appear to be catching on with the public. (discreet emphasis added, T.)

Do you want me to cross-post this sentence to Lola's 'Religious Right' thread along with some sickeningly self-righteous smiley? Or did she read it already?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 09:04 am
thomas

So long as you continue using that avatar, sickening self-righteousness precedes every word you type like the chrome of a fifties Buick grille preceded all else.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 09:11 am
I think one of the reasons O'Reilly's campaign is not working is that it is pretty stupid.

The phrase "the holidays" for that week of Christmas and New Year's has always been used. Even people who are unaware of Hanukah or other holidays, or are unconcerned with the effect Christmas might have on believers of other faiths or agnostics, still call it "the holidays", and always have.

The song, "There's No Place Like Home For The Holidays" was written in 1954, certainly many years before even O'Reilly can trace back his "anti-Christmas" lunacy.

O'Reilly is fighting a losing battle if he thinks he can get the country to see the Christmas season referred to as "the holidays" and have people say, "Ah-hah! Part of the anti-Christmas conspiracy!".
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 09:18 am
O'reilly, in order to maintain his "victim" image, needs constant conflict with the "enemy." the fact that the "enemy" is inside his head makes it easy for him to do battle with, otherwise unseen, villians. I'm expecting him to stage a battle between father christmas and jesus.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 01:00 pm
blatham wrote:
So long as you continue using that avatar, sickening self-righteousness precedes every word you type like the chrome of a fifties Buick grille preceded all else.

Georgeob1 said something similar about my last avatar. Nothing wrong with a little chrome, eh?

dyslexia wrote:
O'reilly, in order to maintain his "victim" image, needs constant conflict with the "enemy." the fact that the "enemy" is inside his head makes it easy for him to do battle with, otherwise unseen, villians. I'm expecting him to stage a battle between father christmas and jesus.

Which only makes sense. Christianity has been highjacked by this long-haired, peacenik, business-hostile Jesus dude for too long. It's high time O'Reilly did something about that and recovered the true faith. It's time to invite the money-changers back into the temple.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 02:24 pm
dyslexia wrote:
O'reilly, in order to maintain his "victim" image, needs constant conflict with the "enemy." the fact that the "enemy" is inside his head makes it easy for him to do battle with, otherwise unseen, villians. I'm expecting him to stage a battle between father christmas and jesus.


Father Christmas is a lot younger.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 02:37 pm
Can anyone provide me with a progress report on the dimunition of christianity? I am anxious to assure myself that we are making progress . . .
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 02:40 pm
Why? What exactly is the problem if it turns out that Christianity lasts until the last of humankind?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 02:44 pm
well, I would like to see a liberal elected to the presidency of the US of A just once before the end of humankind.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 02:46 pm
dys,

I think it would be fair to say you are going to get what you want.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 03:18 pm
MA, I doubt it very much.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 03:22 pm
Care to make a small wager on that, dys? Well, let me revise that a bit. I believe there will come a time that pretty much what anyone wants to do is going to be legal to do.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 03:28 pm
well MA I guess you and I have different ideas about the definition of "Liberal"
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 4 Dec, 2005 03:33 pm
Perhaps we do, dys. I will do some research on it.
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