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O'Reilly - "Very Secret Plan to Diminish Christianity"

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 07:25 pm
Lash wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
is that one of condi's torture implements?


I'd respond, but then lash'd drop past and accuse me of being politically incorrect.

Rolling Eyes

If it isn't one of your best nigger jokes, it's ok with me.


To which ehBeth replied, rather nastily:

I'm canajun. I don't think I know any.
Maybe you could tell me one.

To which I must say how surprising it is that Canada has no racists. That's very special. I'm sure they have no drug abusers, government corruption or clouds, as well.

To leave the stupid insults, however, and get back to her remark, which started the whole thing-- Lash won't accuse you of being politically incorrect re Condi unless you make some insulting bigoted racial remark.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 07:26 pm
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
blatham wrote:
finn

Perhaps you have a definition of racism which does not mean preference for one's own and discomfort with the other.


That's a bit light.

I would suggest it's the belief that a given race is superior to others or a given race is inferior to others. Although unlikely, it's possible for a black man to be a white supremacist. The given race one believes is superior need not be one's own.

Depicting Jesus or The Buddha as a member of one's nationality or race does not imply a belief that one's nationality or race is superior to others, or that the other races or nationalities (even if historically accurate) are inferior.

It may signal a narrow perspective and/or a comfort with the familiar, but its a stretch to conclude that it is racism.


It kinda hurts, but I agree.


That is the exact same point I was making.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 07:28 pm
Lash wrote:
Lash wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
is that one of condi's torture implements?


I'd respond, but then lash'd drop past and accuse me of being politically incorrect.

Rolling Eyes

If it isn't one of your best nigger jokes, it's ok with me.


To which ehBeth replied, rather nastily:

I'm canajun. I don't think I know any.
Maybe you could tell me one.

To which I must say how surprising it is that Canada has no racists. That's very special. I'm sure they have no drug abusers, government corruption or clouds, as well.

To leave the stupid insults, however, and get back to her remark, which started the whole thing-- Lash won't accuse you of being politically incorrect re Condi unless you make some insulting bigoted racial remark.


Sorry. Should have also said: Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 07:36 pm
Since you didn't get what I was saying, I'll have to assume you don't know much about Canada, lash. We know newfie jokes.

There was nothing nasty intended.

I'm not clear why you thought I was planning to make some kind of racial comment. Racist jokes, of any tenor, aren't in my playbook. Blonde jokes, maybe. Feminist jokes, maybe. Even the above-mentioned newfie jokes, if I can remember how they go.

~~~~~

edit. trying to joke with you is too tiring.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 08:39 pm
The alleged joke:

I'd respond, but then lash'd drop past and accuse me of being politically incorrect.

Rolling Eyes
______________________

To increase the odds of your next "joke" being recognized as such, leave off the Rolling Eyes .

Try this, instead:

Laughing

Course, in this case, I'm not sure it would have helped.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 06:39 am
dlowan wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
blatham wrote:
finn

Perhaps you have a definition of racism which does not mean preference for one's own and discomfort with the other.


That's a bit light.

I would suggest it's the belief that a given race is superior to others or a given race is inferior to others. Although unlikely, it's possible for a black man to be a white supremacist. The given race one believes is superior need not be one's own.

Depicting Jesus or The Buddha as a member of one's nationality or race does not imply a belief that one's nationality or race is superior to others, or that the other races or nationalities (even if historically accurate) are inferior.

It may signal a narrow perspective and/or a comfort with the familiar, but its a stretch to conclude that it is racism.


It kinda hurts, but I agree.

That is the exact same point I was making.


It's quite ok if someone points out holes in my noggin. Clearly 'racism' has the meaning you specify and it's a common enough (and dangerous enough) instance of the "X" we are talking about that the term has real value. My concern is that the "X" gets obfuscated or bypassed when we focus only on the one instance of it. Imagine, if possible, how differently we might mentally frame this matter if our histories were minus the black slavery experience and the anti-semitic experience. Or if we were to consider whether social conflict occurs with any less frequency in situations (say, polynesian history) where racial difference plays no part whatsoever. In any case, I'm just yakking about something not on topic because I don't have it clear and I'm not certain how to talk or think about it most profitably.

But we did come to this from my suggestion that portrayals of christ as caucasian likely have a 'racist' element. Perhaps 'xenophobic' or some other word would be more appropriate.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 06:42 am
Quote:
'Holiday' Cards Ring Hollow for Some on Bushes' List

By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 7, 2005; Page A01

What's missing from the White House Christmas card? Christmas.

This month, as in every December since he took office, President Bush sent out cards with a generic end-of-the-year message, wishing 1.4 million of his close friends and supporters a happy "holiday season."

Many people are thrilled to get a White House Christmas card, no matter what the greeting inside. But some conservative Christians are reacting as if Bush stuck coal in their stockings.

"This clearly demonstrates that the Bush administration has suffered a loss of will and that they have capitulated to the worst elements in our culture," said William A. Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.

Bush "claims to be a born-again, evangelical Christian. But he sure doesn't act like one," said Joseph Farah, editor of the conservative Web site WorldNetDaily.com. "I threw out my White House card as soon as I got it."

Religious conservatives are miffed because they have been pressuring stores to advertise Christmas sales rather than "holiday specials" and urging schools to let students out for Christmas vacation rather than for "winter break." They celebrated when House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) insisted that the sparkling spectacle on the Capitol lawn should be called the Capitol Christmas Tree, not a holiday spruce.

"Certainly President and Mrs. Bush, because of their faith, celebrate Christmas," said Susan Whitson, Laura Bush's press secretary. "Their cards in recent years have included best wishes for a holiday season, rather than Christmas wishes, because they are sent to people of all faiths."
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 10:30 am
Christmas is just about the only thing that makes me wish I was a Muslim.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 10:32 am
Well, there's the not having to shave part, too.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:21 am
Office Christmas Party:


December 1...To All Employees
I'm happy to inform you that the company Christmas Party will be held
on December 23rd at Luigi's Open Pit Barbecue. There will be lots of
spiked eggnog and a small band will play traditional carols...feel free
to sing-along. And don't be surprised if our CEO shows up dressed as
Santa Claus to light the Christmas tree.
Exchanging gifts among employees can be done at this time. Please
remember to keep gifts to the agreed $10 limit.
Merry Christmas to you and yours,
Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director

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December 2...To! All Employees
In no way was yesterday's memo intended to exclude our Jewish
employees. We recognize that Hanukkah is an important holiday and
often coincides with Christmas (although not this year). However, from
now on we're calling this party our Holiday Party. The same policy also
applies to employees who are celebrating Kwanzaa at this time. There
will be no tree or Christmas carols sung.
Happy holidays to you and yours.
Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director

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December 3...To All Employees
Regarding the anonymous note I received from a member of Alcoholics
Anonymous requesting a non-drinking table, I'm happy to accommodate
your request but please remember that if I put a sign on the table that
reads "AA Only" you won't be anonymous any more
In addition, we'll no longer be having a gift exchange because union
members feel that $10 is too much money.
Patti Lewis, Human Resources Director

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December 7...To All Employees
I have arranged for members of Overeaters Anonymous to sit farthest
away from the dessert table and for pregnant members to sit closest to
the restrooms. Gays are allowed to sit with each other. Lesbians do not
have to sit with gays; each group will have its own table. And, yes,
there will be a flower arrangement for the gay men's table.
Happy now?
Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director

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December 9...To All Employees
People! People! Nothing sinister was intended by wanting our CEO to
play Santa Claus. Even if the anagram for "Santa" does happen to be
"Satan." There is no evil connation to our own little "man in a red suit."
Patti Lewis, Human Resources Director

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December 10...To All Employees
Vegetarians! I've had it with you people. We're holding this party at
Luigi's Open Pit Barbecue whether you like it or not. You can just sit
at the table farthest from the "Grill of Death" as you call it, and
you'll get salad bar only including hydroponics tomatoes. Tomatoes have
feelings ! too, you know. They scream when you slice them. I can hear
them now. I hope you have a rotten holiday. Drive drunk and die, you
hear me?
The Bitch from Hell

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December 14...To All Employees
I'm sure I speak for all of us in wishing Patty Lewis a speedy recovery
from her stress-related illness I'll continue to forward your cards to
her at the sanitarium In the meantime management has decided to cancel
the Holiday Party and give everyone the afternoon of the 23rd off with
full pay.
Terri Bishop, Acting Human Resources Director
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:26 am
Good one Tico
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:28 am
Yes, and an old one, too . . .
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:37 am
I thought you didn't like your age being mentioned? Cool
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:43 am
Can you post it in dog years?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:59 am
Great one, Tico. Unfortunately, that is just how far this kind of thing can and has gone. The last company I worked at tried Diversity Training. What a mess!
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 12:07 pm
Yes really, if there's anything I hate it's diversity and bigots. (and clones)
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 12:09 pm
It appears to have been ineffective training. But clones are fine, or will be once all the damned mexicans are gone.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 12:15 pm
blatham wrote:
It appears to have been ineffective training.

Probably a liberal trainer (who allowed diversity among the students)
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 12:29 pm
Dys,

You totally misunderstood me. It's a long story but the problem with the Diversity Training we had was then every single difference (no matter how large or small) came to the surface. The whole point of the Diversity Training was to point out the SIMILARITIES of everyone. It wasn't supposed to divide the employees the way it did. In this case, if things had been left the way they originally were (the standards and code of ethics, etc.) of the company, it would not have had the negative effect on morale as the diversity training had. They company eventually dropped the diversity issue altogether.

It had nothing at all to do with bigotry. The company tried very hard to accomodate everyone. Unfortunately, it was not possible.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 03:34 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Dys,

You totally misunderstood me. It's a long story but the problem with the Diversity Training we had was then every single difference (no matter how large or small) came to the surface. The whole point of the Diversity Training was to point out the SIMILARITIES of everyone. It wasn't supposed to divide the employees the way it did. In this case, if things had been left the way they originally were (the standards and code of ethics, etc.) of the company, it would not have had the negative effect on morale as the diversity training had. They company eventually dropped the diversity issue altogether.

It had nothing at all to do with bigotry. The company tried very hard to accomodate everyone. Unfortunately, it was not possible.


He doesn't misunderstand you Momma.

Dys and his Fellow Travellers worship at the alter of Diversity.

Their priests have pronounced that Diversity is holy and therefore anyone who might even suggest that there is something bogus about the way the concept is enforced in our daily lives must be a heretic, or worse ---a bigot (or racist - eventually the epithet will find its way into the mix).

Your company's Diversity Training was doomed from the start if it attempted to focus on similarities. Any meaningful discussion of diversity, whether applied socially or ecologically, must be based on differences, not similarities.

In the post-modern world, Diversity and Tolerance go hand in hand, and are the tenets of a religion every bit as fundamental as the extreme sects of Islam and Christianity.

Begin with the premise that there are no absolutes. Everything is relative. If the actions of the individual are to be judged, they must be judged within the context of that person's life experiences.

In such a world where every moral judgement is, in some way, legitimate (unless of course it is made by a Republican) how can there be any more important concepts to embrace than diversity and tolerance?

It is the philosophy of those who are either hopelessly optimistic or moral cowards.
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