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Re: The Portrayal of Blacks in Popular Media

 
 
littlek
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 06:18 pm
I took a course in college about the portrayal of different racial groups in film. Mostly the focus was on african and native americans. I didn't realize the subtlties of the relationships until I took that course, but by then I knoew that something was way off.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 06:26 pm
native americans don't have this problem.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 06:28 pm
Well, i was glad to see this thread--it's a topic about which i had always wondered, which is to say a black man's perception of the media. I'd be interested to know what your reaction was to the "black-sploitation" genre of motion pictures in the 70's. You know, like Shaft, Uptown Saturday Night. I'd also be interested to know what films you thought were good, either for presenting blacks without either undue emphasis, nor invisibilty--or, films which centered around blacks, and which you thought were good representations of the lives black people lead.

I'd find your stuff a lot more easy to read if it weren't for the long paragraph breaks . . .
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 06:30 pm
Native americans, don't, Kemosabe? Even if tant wasn't an indian, his potrayal was of a nearly mute sidekick, no?
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 06:31 pm
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 06:35 pm
I think Jay Silverheels considered himself an Amerindian (Native American is inaccurate: i was born on this continent, that makes me a native American, i just happen to be a native American of Irish descent). I'm sure Jay considered himself a well-paid Amerindian, given the popularity of the program for years--not as good as the "Oil Indians" in Oklahoma, but he didn't do badly.

There were early Hollywood motion pictures--"westerns"--in which the directors went to a good deal of trouble to "get it right" with regard to the Amerindians. Most, though, were late in the silent era. Dances with Wolves was full of more poop than Kevin Costner, and that's sayin' a lot. Both from the point of view of those who hated and wanted to exterminate the Amerindians, and what passes for Amerindian history these days, there is no segment of history with which i am familiar which is more distorted and grounded in the realm of fairy tale.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 06:38 pm
"That right, Kemo Sabe," or "Him say man ride over ridge on horse." "Tonto' in spanish means "foolish."
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 07:09 pm
Setanta:
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Well, i was glad to see this thread--it's a topic about which i had always wondered, which is to say a black man's perception of the media.


Well, that's good. As long as you can stay curious about things, you'll remain trainable. Smile

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I'd be interested to know what your reaction was to the "black-sploitation" genre of motion pictures in the 70's. You know, like Shaft, Uptown Saturday Night.


Shaft was one thing, Uptown was another. Shaft was the beginning of a long, ugly line of movies cut from the same idea... "black-guy-beats-whitey-at-his-own-game-and-sticks-it-to-the-man". At the time I saw Shaft, Richard Roundtree seemed to me to be the coolest thing I'd seen on TV since Kato on the Green Hornet. But soon after that, there was Shaft in Africa, Shaft's Big Score, Slaughter (Jim Brown), Hit Man (Bernie Casey) Trouble Man (Robert Hooks), Superfly (Ron O'Neil), etc., etc., etc... and I became aware of what blaxploitation meant.


On the other hand, Sidney Poitier and Bill Cosby (and in a bit role, Richard Pryor) actually did something fairly radical with Uptown Saturday Night (and, later on to a lesser degree because of the presence of Jimmy Walker - Let's Do it Again) They did comedy with black people that wasn't demeaning to black people, and was suitable for the whole family.

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I'd also be interested to know what films you thought were good, either for presenting blacks without either undue emphasis, nor invisibilty--or, films which centered around blacks, and which you thought were good representations of the lives black people lead.


See Setanta - the whole problem with "representing the lives black people lead" is that we lead all kinds of lives - ALL KINDS. Would you think of The Bourne Conspiracy or The Bridges of Madison County as movies that represent the lives white people lead? Of course not - they're just movies. The thing is, even though we mix in the necessary ways (work, public events, schools), white people and black people by and large still don't eat at each others houses, worship in each others churches and get into each others lives, so we don't know each other. So the portrayals of blacks come off mostly one and two dimensional, you see? (One day I'll tell you about why I think blacks know whites better than whites know blacks)

BUT, in answer to the question about what movies I like, there have been a few I thought were decent, and as I write this I'm having trouble bringing them to mind. Funny thing, I think they had black people involved in their production. I liked Antwone Fisher, because (among many other things) it was the first time I had ever seen sexual vulnerability portrayed by a black man on screen. I liked most of Spike's Stuff - Do the Right Thing and Malcolm X especially. If I think of more, I'll tell you.

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I'd find your stuff a lot more easy to read if it weren't for the long paragraph breaks . . .



...just can't please some folks... Very Happy
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 07:13 pm
dyslexia wrote:
native americans don't have this problem.


Which problem is that, dyslexia - being portrayed badly in film and other media? or do you refer to something else?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 07:30 pm
native americans are always portrayed as wise and noble, gentle and somewhat mystical. You know, just like the white men who portray them.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 07:37 pm
hmmm.... sarcasm?
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 07:39 pm
dyslexia wrote:
native americans are always portrayed as wise and noble, gentle and somewhat mystical. You know, just like the white men who portray them.


Oh, I see.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 08:31 pm
I guess what i meant about blacks lives being accurately portrayed is this: I lived in the South as a boy and an adolescent, and blacks very obviously did not live as we did--nor, for that matter, did poor whites. As a young adult, i would visit my aunt and uncle, who lived on the south side of Chicago (he attended the U of Chicago), and blacks there obviously did not live as do southerners, nor as did whites in Chicago. More than that, blacks fill in different roles in different regions. A man i knew once commented to me that one of the things which surprised him most when he moved to the south was to see a black man on a tractor. In the midwest, you just don't see black farmers, and, of course, they are a commonplace in the South. Many of those midwestern small towns still have the laws on the books which state that a black man must leave town at sundown. They may not enforce them--but blacks are a very uncommon sight in some regions of the country.

So, yeah, i understand that the characters of black and white men and women do not differ on the basis of the color of their skin, but rather on the content of their characters (wonderful expression, that). But it would be foolish to ignore that there are significant differences in how blacks and whites live, either from racist causes, or economic causes.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 09:09 pm
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If you see Blacks playing doctors or lawyers or advertising toothpaste "just like regular folks", that's nice, but it isn't the representation of real people that I would like to see. When I get to see the human spectrum - including the mundane middle - of blacks, I'll believe there is real progress.


I too would love to hear how you think black people should be represented.

Personally, I think all people are "just like regular folks".

What do you want to see "real people" doing.

What is more "mundane middle" than brushing your teeth?

How about Denzel Washington playing a character that was white in a book? What was that movie where he was the paralized detective? That guy was white in the book.

How about Jodie Foster playing a role intended for a man? That airplane movie she just did was written for a man.

I agree with almost everything you're saying but I really can't envision anything that would make you happy.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 09:12 pm
I agree with Snood about the shows he mentioned on television, but I do like the Bernie Mack show. I think it's a cut above average.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 09:34 pm
boomerang wrote:
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If you see Blacks playing doctors or lawyers or advertising toothpaste "just like regular folks", that's nice, but it isn't the representation of real people that I would like to see. When I get to see the human spectrum - including the mundane middle - of blacks, I'll believe there is real progress.


I too would love to hear how you think black people should be represented.

Personally, I think all people are "just like regular folks".

What do you want to see "real people" doing.

What is more "mundane middle" than brushing your teeth?

How about Denzel Washington playing a character that was white in a book? What was that movie where he was the paralized detective? That guy was white in the book.

How about Jodie Foster playing a role intended for a man? That airplane movie she just did was written for a man.

I agree with almost everything you're saying but I really can't envision anything that would make you happy.


Good thing its not your job to make me happy, huh?
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 09:47 pm
There is the idea that blacks were/are portrayed as bad guys to the man, side kicks to the man, athletes or puppydogs. That's it.

Blacks can and have been portrayed as fathers, mothers, business men, friends, kids trying to get through life in the hood - sometimes it comes out real sometimes not.

The Cosby show may have been buyable, but it didn't represent the majority of black families in the country. The Jeffersons was funny, but it didn't really either.

Snood - do you read Aaron McGruder's Boondocks? What do you think?
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 09:48 pm
I think it is great that talented black actors are getting good roles in movies. Almost every film I see has Morgan Freeman in it. He is a very good actor. However, I must draw the line at the report that he will play George Washington in the film
"Crossing the Delaware"

Seriously, the best film I ever saw was the film made by the great Spike Lee. If you want to see realism and the real life of black people, rent a copy of "School Daze". The section about the Wannabes vs. the N....... is hilarious.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 10:59 pm
Eddie Murphy and Bill Smith are superstars, Jada Smith, Halle Berry are great.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 11:08 pm
Mortkat wrote:
I think it is great that talented black actors are getting good roles in movies. Almost every film I see has Morgan Freeman in it. He is a very good actor. However, I must draw the line at the report that he will play George Washington in the film
"Crossing the Delaware"

Seriously, the best film I ever saw was the film made by the great Spike Lee. If you want to see realism and the real life of black people, rent a copy of "School Daze". The section about the Wannabes vs. the N....... is hilarious.


that was Wannabees and Jigaboos, not wannabees and N...whatever.
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