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Re: The Portrayal of Blacks in Popular Media

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 12:16 pm
I'm not.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 12:18 pm
Bias in a so-called 'social-scientific' writing should be considered for what it is.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 12:19 pm
I am of the opinion that they need the brains (for the Rabbis) to keep up the lies, fabrication and myths of the Bible otherwise they will collapse from the sheer weight of the contradictions.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 12:32 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bias in a so-called 'social-scientific' writing should be considered for what it is.


Shouldn't you look at everything with such a critical eye, not just the stuff you don't agree with?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 03:13 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Mystical, yes. Mr Sowell seems to paint with a broad brush without providing the back ground details. I question such rhetoric whether it comes from PhDs or teenagers.

I did not read The Jewish Mystique, and I don't agree with everything Sowell writes in his Op-Ed column. But I did read Sowell's Race and Culture, and found it interesting and well-researched. His Op-Ed column is biased, as Op-Ed columns are supposed to be. But from what I can tell as an interested layman, the research in his scholarly books is sound.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 03:19 pm
If you enjoyed Race and Culture, Thomas, might I recomment Sowell's more recent Black Rednecks and White Liberals? He was years in the research on this one and it is fascinating.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 07:13 am
Hanky-head hall of fame


http://www.republicanvoices.org/thomas.jpg

http://www-news.uchicago.edu/resources/humanities/sowell.jpg

http://www.kepplerspeakers.com/speakers/pics/Williams-a.jpg

http://probush.com/ken_hamblin.jpg

http://english.epochtimes.com/news_images/2005-2-12-condoleeza-rice.jpg

http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2005/jan/connerly/connerly200.jpg
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 07:42 am
Snood -- Would you care to explain why this lady and these gentlemen are hanky-heads? It seems kind of racist to me that you just decide true blacks may not be conservatives. (JP and foxfyre: Is that kind of rhetoric what Sowell dubbed "Black Rednecks"? It strikes me that Snood's post might as well have been written by a stereotypical redneck.)
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 10:08 am
Snood's racist insults are unacceptable and unsupportable.
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ralpheb
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 10:18 am
Hanky Heads?
Black rednecks?

Was I asleep? What justifies balck rednecks and hanky heads?


Snoot you want to know where racism starts? look in the mirror.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 10:40 am
Thomas: Here is a pretty good book review that is more pointed than you might find in the ones from Amazon.com or Barnes & Noble:

http://www.thbookservice.com/bookimages/33/c6633_full.jpg

Black Rednecks and White Liberals
by Thomas Sowell

Lazy, lawless, and sexually immoral - that's how Northern employers and cops regarded poor Southern "rednecks" as late as the 1940s and 1950s. Many Southern blacks, Thomas Sowell explains, picked up the same habits. But while both white and black Southerners have moved up in class and affluence, Sowell notes that ghettos are still filled with "black rednecks" who have never escaped these self-destructive patterns. Why not? Their attempt to escape, as Sowell demonstrates in Black Rednecks and White Liberals, has been consistently and repeatedly hampered by white liberals. The Left, says Sowell, has turned dysfunctional "black redneck" culture into "a sacrosanct symbol of racial identity."

These essays bring you the most enlightening results of Sowell's over twenty-five years of fearless and groundbreaking research on racial and cultural issues. He tackles a broad spectrum of issues, sweeping aside entrenched liberal clichéés and dogmas. He ably supports his profoundly original and arresting vision with data that liberal analysts would prefer to ignore or have failed to grasp.

In numerous ways Sowell boldly challenges the racial orthodoxy that has prevailed largely unchallenged since the 1960s among leftist academics and the media elite. He even dares to explore the real history of slavery, asking why historians have produced volume after volume about Africans enslaved by white Americans -- and all of American slavery's historical and sociological fallout, real and imagined -- while virtually ignoring the fact that slavery has been ubiquitous throughout history and is still practiced by Africans in Mauritania, the Sudan and parts of Nigeria. Elsewhere he draws striking parallels between the tragedy of Jewish history and the bloody fate of Ibos in Nigeria, the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire and other "middleman minorities."

Wisdom from Thomas Sowell:

Proof that the peculiar subculture of Southern whites and that of blacks did not result from slavery

Why the low test scores of some European immigrant children cannot be automatically attributed to their being new to the United States -- and hard facts about how some kinds of cultures tend to produce lower mental test scores, whether the people in those cultures are black or white, American or European

How elements of transplanted Southern culture came to be seen as immutable features of a distinctive "black identity" -- despite their mirroring very similar cultural patterns among Southern whites in times past

Evidence that black pioneers and leaders of the early twentieth century were not just "the cream of the crop" but emerged from a culture very different from that in which most blacks were raised and educated

How racial barriers erected by "black rednecks" prevented black cultural elites from separating themselves as much as they would have liked from lower-class blacks

White liberals: how Leftist intellectuals, politicians, celebrities, judges, and teachers have aided and abetted the perpetuation of a counterproductive and self-destructive lifestyle among blacks

The much-overlooked source of many of the prevailing misconceptions of the histories of both blacks and whites in America

How white liberals have promoted a conformity of beliefs and affirmations among blacks, with those who hold different viewpoints banished from consideration intellectually and ostracized socially

"Middleman minorities": how certain kinds of economic activity engaged in by minority groups increases resentment against them more than their ethnicity

How the widespread belief that Jews and other middleman minorities have made no productive contribution to the economies in which they lived has often been belied by the decline or collapse of those economies after their departure

Proof: contrary to liberal myth, for most of history, slavery was not based on racism -- and most slaves did not differ racially from their masters

What the Western world -- and the United States in particular -- had that made the abolition of slavery possible, while slavery was still taken for granted in the Islamic world and other non-Western societies

Why modern-day liberal critics are wrong, and Abraham Lincoln was wise not to have made the moral case for the abolition of slavery in the Emancipation Proclamation

How Leftists scream for slavery reparations from the American government while saying nothing at all about non-Western slaveholding countries past and present, from which no reparations or other concessions can remotely be expected

Bias: how scholars have long known that slavery was a worldwide institution, going back thousands of years, but this has not led them to provide adequate coverage of slavery outside of Western civilization

A cardinal and illuminating reason for German cultural predominance in Eastern Europe

Why the genocide of the Jews perpetrated by Hitler's Germany is even more chilling than most people realize

How the differences between W.E.B. DuBois and Booker T. Washington have been exaggerated by modern-day liberal revisionists for political purposes

One of the most obvious -- and most overlooked and suppressed -- reasons for the deficient educational performance of black students

How putting unqualified people in charge of black colleges and universities for the sake of racial proprieties was a serious setback for the schools, and for the young people who were educated in them

Revealing details of the decline and academic collapse of Dunbar High School, once an elite school for blacks in Washington, DC

How the desire of predominantly white colleges to secure a demographically representative student body made lower standards of admissions for blacks virtually inevitable

Why the magnitude of employment discrimination cannot be reliably measured by the relative numbers of blacks in particular occupations

Prominent educational "experts" who ignore or dismiss examples of black educational success because they don't fit in with their ideological agenda

Over the last thirty years, Thomas Sowell has established himself as one of our nation's most brilliant and insightful conservative commentators on racial issues. Black Rednecks and White Liberals is his masterwork.
SOURCE
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 11:17 am
A book, which was critised by Steve Sailer ( founder of the Human Biodiversity Institute and movie critic for The American Conservative) a bit less enthusiastically.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 11:29 am
Thanks for the reviews, Foxfyre and Walter. I guess the best way to judge the book is by Sowell's Op-Ed-sized preview he published [url]here[/url]. I have the book on my "to read" list, but it was published almost at the same time as his "affirmative action around the world" which I'd like to read first.

Since this is Snood's thread, and Sowell obviously isn't Snood's favorite topic, I will not write any further posts about Sowell.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 11:31 am
Sowell probably puts his pants on one leg at a time like everybody else and he is certainly fallible. Every now and then he gets on a point I can't agree with. But I think given Sowell's expertise against Sailer's less credentialed opinion on matters of race and race relations, I'll go with Sowell.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 11:39 am
Oops, forgot the URL of the Op-Ed:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell070505.asp
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 11:42 am
Thank you, Walter, for that important article that supports my challenge of Sowell, the god for many on a2k.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:07 pm
What does Sowell specifically say that you find objectionable here, CI? Please provide your foundation for your opinion.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:14 pm
RE Sowell: how can one not believe in public education?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:22 pm
Did I say anything about "objectionable?"

Sowell probably forms his thesis with many truths, but I see it as limited to the extent that he misses some of the salient information delineated by Walter's link that I think is a major issue.

Mine is not a objection; just a question about Sowell's main thesis that relies on his own biases; that most blacks are ingrained to do poorly in school based on what he says.

It's easy to denigrate, but more difficult to find solutions. I don't see Sowell doing the solution finding. All he does is explain why blacks do poorly in school and intelligence tests, and goes on to articulate why.

I see engrained bias.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:36 pm
littlek wrote:
RE Sowell: how can one not believe in public education?

Conceptually, "public education" consists of three parts. 1) Having the government require that children receive a certain amount of education. 2) Having the government pay for that education. 3) Having the government operate the schools. Libertarians and many conservatives argue against point 3), because they see no reason why government would operate schools any more efficiently than it operates car factories, restaurants, and most other goods and services. None of us argues against points 1) and 2), which is what gives every child a decent chance for a successful life.

Does that clarify it a bit for you?
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