Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 10:37 am
hamburger

It hasn't been more than 12 cm of really wet snow - melted away during the day.
However, there have been 1,000 persons, who had to stay in there cars on the autobahn last night, just 20 km away from us (a lorry couldn't go up a steeper hill, more lorries behind this one ....) from 9 pm tp 9 am!

(And in the Sauerland, 40 km's away, we still have about 1 meter snow:http://webcam.skischule-hochsauerland.de/webcam2/cam11.jpg)
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 02:18 pm
walter : the webcam pix showed very little snow (now it shows the light from the lamp-posts and cars). i did go the moehne-see webcam and it showed plenty of snow. luckily we haven't had any snow in the last few days, but no doubt more is to come. right now it is just beautiful (3 pm local time); the sun is shining into the windows and the snow is slowly melting from the roofs. the forecast promises for,the mild weather to continue. we hope we'll have nice weather next weekend. we are going up to toronto to see ehbeth and setanta, who'll be in town. booked into a nice hotel for friday and saturday; got tickets for friday night(preservation hall jazz band from new orleans) and saturday night with ehbeth and setanta to see THE PRODUCERS; sunday we hope to make it to the royal ontario museum to see the travelling exhibit EGYPT from the british royal museum (does this qualify as a mini a2k meet ?). hbg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 02:32 pm
hamburger wrote:
we are going up to toronto to see ehbeth and setanta, who'll be in town. booked into a nice hotel for friday and saturday; got tickets for friday night(preservation hall jazz band from new orleans) and saturday night with ehbeth and setanta to see THE PRODUCERS; sunday we hope to make it to the royal ontario museum to see the travelling exhibit EGYPT from the british royal museum (does this qualify as a mini a2k meet ?). hbg


Certainly it does! (I had had a couple of similar here in Germany and in England)
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2004 07:17 pm
hehehe

a mini-meet. We will be celebrating mrs. hamburger's birthday as well as her recovery from last week's eye surgery. i'll have to charge up the batteries on the digi-cam.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 03:49 am
Butting shamelessly into a private conversation, I come on to tell you that due to a tip from Walter, we are going to our own "Jazz Preservation Hall" concert tonight, a dixieland jazz concert by the British bands of Chris Barber, Kenny Ball and Acker Bilk, which were very big here in the 1960s during the trad jazz revival which was very popular then.

Small world. German fan, American jazz, British bands....

Hope your weekend jollities went well.

McT
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 09:25 am
mctag : i blame my love of all kinds of jazz on the british and american occupation forces. as a teenager after the war we used to listen to the british and the american forces radio networks. so i guess i got "contaminated" ! "satchmo" and his "blueberry hill" is one of the first jazztunes i remember(did it actually come out later ?). have attented a number of the "preservation hall" concerts over the years; sadly, many of the old-timers (the humphrey brothers, "big jim" robinson, "sing" miller) have passed away; still, the foot-stomping will bring many memories back. mctag : i also remember a program (BBC ?) called "music while you work (?), that we listened to. there also used to be "transmissions" (i think that was the word used) from "royal albert hall", so on our first visit to londoon we made sure to attend a concert at royal albert hall. what a treat ! hbg
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 11:03 am
Well Hbg, it's amazing that you remember all that stuff. I was born in 1944, and I remember the radio programme "Music While You Work", which was still playing (still being transmitted!) into the 1950s.
It used to be on the BBC Home Service, which is now Radio4.
There is quite a lot of archive material available commercially on CDs from the BBC, collections of programmes from the 1950s and later. Maybe 1940s too, but I'm not sure about that. Much less recording was done in those days.

Anyway, the Trad Jazz Revival, as we called it: there were dozens of Dixieland Jazz bands in Britain, hundreds, and some of them were very good. Some still play professionally, in clubs and pubs across the country. They play all the old New Orleans tunes that you would recognise.

It will not be the Royal Albert Hall for us tonight, but a more modern venue nearer to here, very nice, called the Lowry in Salford.

I'll let you know how it went. We leave in about half-an-hour. I've got to go and shave.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 11:08 am
Well, McTag, hamburger might as well remember my favourite "pub" in Hamburg, the Cotton Club!

http://www.englishpages.de/hamburg/images/summer/CottonClub200-225.jpghttp://www.cotton-club.de/home/eingagr.jpg

(The oldest German Jazz club [at least in Hamburg Laughing ]. Even in these days, there's every day a live band playing there! "Program")

Definitely different to the Lowry :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 12:54 pm
Walter, When I saw "cotton club," I responded with a somewhat, "too sensitive" reactiion, because there's a relationship between cotton and black slaves.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 01:31 pm
c.i.

'Cotton Club' is and was used quite commonly Jazz-related, like in "Duke Ellington and his Cotton Club Orchestra', some dozens of 'Cotton Clubs' worldwide, at least one Jazz magazine etc.

Certainly there is a relation between cotton and black slaves as there is between Jazz and black slaves as well.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 03:42 pm
Walter, It's a name that's been used in the US, so I'm familiar with the name. It's just seeing it in print in contemporary times - I think.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 03:59 pm
hi, all ! i see that the forum index is SCIENCE & MATHEMATICS ! how did we get to preservation hall jazz band, royal albert hall and the cotton club ? we sure travelled ! more on this later. hbg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 04:04 pm
Science, hamburger, it's all science! :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 04:06 pm
Yes, it's science. We're still searching for the truth.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 05:43 pm
OK I've been, we've just come back in. Twenty minutes to midnight here.

Great concert, especially Chris Barber's Band. I spoke to Chris Barber afterwards in the foyer, to thank him. He is a very nice man. They still go to the Saegewerk, Walter.

Yes, I expect the Cotton Club, Hamburg, is a bit different from the Lowry. I've been in a few jazz joints, myself...even played in a few. But I don't think I'd have got into Chris Barber's band. These guys are so good.

Goodnight, everyone. I can hum myself to sleep to "Black and Tan Fantasy"....not all dixieland, obviously.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 06:19 pm
Music and math. They're wonderfully tied together. I recall a recent Tafelmusik pre-concert, where the lecturer spoke to us about the wonderful mathematical equations to be found in Bach.

... of course, this meant I just had to do a google on this, which led me to this .... click ... where I've been reading for the lasst 15 minutes.


One of my very first memories is related to jazz/blues. It was a weekend, I wasn't old enough to go to school yet, hamburger had taken me for a walk, we were walking through the university campus, we stopped at the campus radio station as a young man hamburger knew was there. hamburger requested "Blueberry Hill". That song still brings back all kinds of pleasant early childhood memories for me.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 06:21 pm
from the site I linked above ...

Quote:
It was suggested that Bach is the pivot point for the transition between music as mathematics and music as melodic inspiration. In answer....

Perhaps retrospectively, through the lens of Beethoven, and the neglect of his predecessors. That Bach was somehow able to be appended to the canon at a later date points further to his centrality, in some sense. Perhaps Bach fits this bill so well for the modern audience because he excels more by artifice than art... satisfying the craving for an easy present and one tradition, with the past as a merely necessary training ground for future progress.

Of course, there was a time when music and mathematics were centrally linked in discourse and study -- the medieval quadrivium consisted of Arithmetic, Music, Geometry, Astronomy and with the trivium of Theology, Rhetoric, Logic provided the core of the university curriculum. Let me quote Antoine Busnoys' 15th century tribute to his teacher:

Long ago, when Pythagoras was wondering
at the melodies of water organs and at the
sounds made by hammers against surfaces,
he discovered through the inequalities of the
weights, the essentials of music.
...
You, Ockeghem -- the chief singer before all in the
service of the king of the French -- strengthen the
youthful practice of our race when, at some time,
you examine the results of these aspects in the
halls of the Duke of Burgundy, in your fatherland.
...
Yet for the medievals, great masterpieces do not arise from mathematical artifice, but rather from the spring of the internalization of formal principles such that this transition between melody and mathematics occurs not once, but continually at the moments of invention. And indeed this invention is neither prospective nor retrospective, but rather continuous. That is the explosion of correspondence which shapes each note and resonates in the mind.

Yet later, we hit Josquin Desprez as the pivot point for the transition of music as form into music as the illumination of text. And then the Baroque figures arise from the illumination of minute textual detail. That is why it is Baroque.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 08:52 pm
mctag : i was happy to read that you had a good time at the concert. i thought i'd share with you some info about the "preservation hall jazz band" - particular since you are a musician yourself you might find the info of some interest. their website is www.preservationhall.com and it has a lot of interesting stuff. we heard them perform for the first time sometime in the late 70's in new york city at lincoln centre; i still have the program but without a date. over the years i've bought some of their recordings at their performances - mostly LPs. i have one of the recordings in front of me and i'm glad i asked the musicians to sign it for me. this one goes from "tiger rag" to "panama". another, even older one is called "sweet emma and her new orleans jazz band"; "sweet emma barrett" on piano was for many years the leader of the band. she was quite a tiny lady, but once she hit the keys everybody would start swaying and stomping. only one of the original bandmembers is still performing with the band; he was the "youngster" having been born in 1993. all the other members were born between 1900 and 1913, so even when we saw them for the fist time they were getting on in age - but their music was just "the sweetest". by the way, they are not typical "dixieland" musicians, but have a unique "new orleans" style . the "sweet emma" recording is my favourite jazz recording because it is a cut from a live performance at the tyronr guthrie theatre in minneapolis-st. paul on october 18, 1964 and has all the comments of the master of ceremonies , percy humphrey, who was also the trumpet man.
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i also checked on our visit at royal albert hall. it was on march 4, 1979 and was an evening of tchaikovsky. we had flown with british airways to london and stayed for four days before taking the overnight ferry from harwich to hamburg(it is still running - now to cuxhaven at the mouth of the elbe river). B.A. pretty well gave away four nights in a london hotel for flying with them. in those days we were still fit enough to go out every evening to see a show - "filumena" at the lyric theatre, "alladin" with danny la rue (we had seen him in toronto) at the palladium and "the fruits of enlightenment" by tolstoy at the national theatre. of course, we also went to windsor , the tower of london and watched the changing of the guard at buck house.
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two years ago when we stopped for two nights in london before our cruise to st. petersburg, we still managed to get around during the daytime but were simply too tired to go out at night. seems the intervening 25 years have slowed us down just a bit ! time to close shop - have to be fit for the coming weekend ! hbg
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 29 Feb, 2004 08:53 pm
mctag : i was happy to read that you had a good time at the concert. i thought i'd share with you some info about the "preservation hall jazz band" - particular since you are a musician yourself you might find the info of some interest. their website is www.preservationhall.com and it has a lot of interesting stuff. we heard them perform for the first time sometime in the late 70's in new york city at lincoln centre; i still have the program but without a date. over the years i've bought some of their recordings at their performances - mostly LPs. i have one of the recordings in front of me and i'm glad i asked the musicians to sign it for me. this one goes from "tiger rag" to "panama". another, even older one is called "sweet emma and her new orleans jazz band"; "sweet emma barrett" on piano was for many years the leader of the band. she was quite a tiny lady, but once she hit the keys everybody would start swaying and stomping. only one of the original bandmembers is still performing with the band; he was the "youngster" having been born in 1993. all the other members were born between 1900 and 1913, so even when we saw them for the fist time they were getting on in age - but their music was just "the sweetest". by the way, they are not typical "dixieland" musicians, but have a unique "new orleans" style . the "sweet emma" recording is my favourite jazz recording because it is a cut from a live performance at the tyronr guthrie theatre in minneapolis-st. paul on october 18, 1964 and has all the comments of the master of ceremonies , percy humphrey, who was also the trumpet man.
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i also checked on our visit at royal albert hall. it was on march 4, 1979 and was an evening of tchaikovsky. we had flown with british airways to london and stayed for four days before taking the overnight ferry from harwich to hamburg(it is still running - now to cuxhaven at the mouth of the elbe river). B.A. pretty well gave away four nights in a london hotel for flying with them. in those days we were still fit enough to go out every evening to see a show - "filumena" at the lyric theatre, "alladin" with danny la rue (we had seen him in toronto) at the palladium and "the fruits of enlightenment" by tolstoy at the national theatre. of course, we also went to windsor , the tower of london and watched the changing of the guard at buck house.
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two years ago when we stopped for two nights in london before our cruise to st. petersburg, we still managed to get around during the daytime but were simply too tired to go out at night. seems the intervening 25 years have slowed us down just a bit ! time to close shop - have to be fit for the coming weekend ! hbg
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 03:21 pm
Thank you very much for sharing these reminiscences, Hbg. You seem to have very wide-ranging tastes, as I think I do too.

As for travel, I have been to Hamburg... in 1963, I think it was. I was a student. We stayed at the youth hostel at St Pauli, not far from Bismark's statue. I enjoyed it, and have regrettably not yet been back there. I would like to go, and have tentative plans to go there this year. The North Sea ferries from GB are handy, but expensive.
My wife has been to St Petersburg, and had some great adventures there, as part of a group from Liverpool University.

I will visit your link now, and have a look at New Orleans...down Bourbon Street.
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