What Really Happened on 9/11?

I suspect that is exactly the first question conspiracy theorists do ask themselves, and then they allow their imaginations to run from there.

old europe, yeah right. That's an "intelligent" tactic questioning the intelligence of scientists and physicists and other educated experts who say the covernment's story is not scientifically sound. How convenient for believers of the most absurd story of all, the government's version. I aint surprised at your answer though.

Amigo, it really dont matter much what the "true believers" of the government's story say. They dont really wanna know anyway and they certainly are a shrinking minority of Americans. People want answers on 911 and lying us into war and warrantless spying. Charlie Sheen has made impact he never dreamed of making. He's snowballed the issue. Erica Jong made some wonderful statements too backing up Charlie and the many millions of Americans who are sick of the lies that are the staple of the Bushie administration.

Lemme ask you this, Tico - Do you now or have you ever given any credence to any lingering doubts that remained after any significant national event like an assassination, or an election, or criminals going free, or innocents getting prosecuted, or war crimes, or anything? In other words, are all "conspiracy theories" pretty much dismissed by you out of hand? If not, what kind of thing raised your doubts? Vince Foster, perhaps? Anything?

Men are capable of anything, and everyone admits that. What conspiracy theorists never mention is that they are included in that. No amount of common sense, knowledge of physics, or analysis of the 3 dimensions will preclude them from arriving at their foredrawn conclusions. They will lie, create photos, and invent testimony to make a point which either backs up their underlying thesis or makes them money.

Everything except for the facts are bullsh!t. The best way dispell a conspiracy is prove it wrong. So do it!

And make a million dollars while your at it.

Look at the amount of information we offer and look at the amount of information the other side offers.

The suspision of 9/11 started the day it happened and has been growing ever since. A rebuttal does not exist or it would be known. Instead all the responses are the same.

The challenge is there for anybody but it has yet to be challenged or to be acknowledged.

I notice they have $1,000,000 to give away while at the same time they whine about this:



Can anybody explain this?

(see, Amigo: that's how easy it is to come up with odd coincidences and intelligent questions...)

I don't understand what your getting at old europe. The way I read that it says their charging $13,278 for "free" information. Thats not much of a freedom of information act from a tax funded agency?

What do you see when you read it??????Please tell me.

I think Thomas Paine whined alot about taxes without representation.

If anyone sets out to prove how full of sh!t the 9/11 truth people are the'll have to sift through mountains of information and come out the other end asking the same question we are asking. What? Why? Who?

Oh, sorry, Zippo posted that here. It's really not easy not to mix it all up....

OK, let’s start clean. No bull sh-t. No little games. No smear tactics. Let’s just start fresh.

Quite simply, instead of assuming anything is true on an assumptive basis, how about all of you who want to maintain the official 911 story is the truth, just go ahead and jot down the evidence that makes your case. It should be far easier than any other version of the story, since it is the version you accept as the obvious truth. Just jot down the reasons and evidence that make the case for the official story representing the truth.

In order for the people of the world to be convinced that al Qaida was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, some evidence should not be too much to ask. And by evidence I do not mean hearsay, innuendo or promises of upcoming evidence…but real, actual evidence.

From anything I can find, the supposed evidence consists of the following:

1. One video clip of Muhammad Atta. The biggest crime of the last 50 year or so, and out of 19 supposed hijackers, we have video tape of ONE. All those cameras in airports, crime of the last 100 years and so far we got one video tape of any of the 19 hijackers. Odd, to say the least. How could showing more of these hijackers on video tape hurt our national security on any way?
2. A passport found at the wreckage of WTC. Intact. Found lying on the ground. The odds of that…well, put it this way. Virtually nothing of any size survived whatever brought those towers down that day. But this passport, near it entirety, did not only survive but was found in the rubble. Nothing to question there.
3. A tape, found in a cave (I am not making this up) with bin Laden “talking about” 911 (but not actually taking responsibility for it) which is something they just kind of leave out.
4. Muhammad Atta’s car at the airport, which contained things like his Koran and a manual on “How to fly 757 jumbo jets for dummies.”

Now, as far as the Pentagon attack, they tell us it was a 757, but don’t actually have any physical evidence to show us to prove that. We are supposed to just take their word for it. Why? Why would that make sense, if they had nothing to hide?

Why hasn't either the Bush adm. (or any element of law enforcement in the United States) issued a single solid piece of evidence connecting the hijackers to the hijacked airplanes? Why aren't there credit card records of their ticket purchases? Why should they get such a massive pass on this? On one hand they want to use this event to excuse the most far out acts of aggression and yet they have taken no efforts to provide evidence that their story is true. If they have, someone please inform me to where this evidence can be found.

Why did FBI director Robert Mueller say that no hard evidence connected al Qaida terrorists to 9/11? Three years later? The feds produced 19 names within 72 hours of the 911 event. Notice a disturbing trend here? All that’s happened since is the mass, radical vigilante hysteria blasted into our grills non-stop at every opportunity. But what about actual evidence? Why is there zero need for it?

Those of you who act so presumptuous – as if so much hard evidence does indeed exist, lay it on us. If it’s such a no-brainer, it must be very easy to do. Do it.

Seven or eight of the people listed on the original list have been found living comfortably in other countries. You would think our government would want to find out why that was and who were the actual hijackers if eight of them are alive today. But, nothing. They don’t seem to care. No mention that eight people they listed 72 hours after the attacks are alive and well. It’s the biggest attack on us in our nation’s history but we don’t feel the need to find out who did it?

http://www.welfarestate.com/911/

Why has the FBI made ZERO attempt to correct their apparent errors made on that original list? Go check it out.

http://911review.org/Wget/members.fortunecity.com/911/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm

The answer may be simple: There isn't any evidence. Why? Because their story is bull fecal matter.

Why the deception? Just read PNAC’s very own mission statements and you will figure that much out. Dominate the world, and needing a “New Pearl Harbor” to allow them to do it. This isn’t anything secret stuff: they published this stuff. They needed 911 to enable their cabal of neocon thugs to fleece the American public with an endless bevy of no-bid contracts to enrich the war profiteers who are really the puppeteers of this war machine.

After over three years of the entire world knowing that nearly 1/2 of the 19 names on the hijacker list are frauds (considering the people are alive and well elsewhere), the FBI has made ZERO effort to find out the real names of who did this.. Why? Because the identities of the hijackers were bull with mostly stolen papers. There is ZERO proof they ever got on the planes. If they had, we’d have seen the tapes of at least half them you would think. Why can’t they show it? They don’t exist. It’s a cache of lies.

And we also had the infamous military stand down, even after the first plane hit. Gee whiz, what do we do? All of a sudden our entire defense grid became as feeble as a 10-year-old girl trying to run things. Even with over an HOUR to get their **** together they incredibly, for some unknown reason, still couldn’t get a clue on our jet intercepts. And, oh, by the way, it’s the first time it ever happened, but on one day, we went 0-4 after a perfect 1.000 for over the last 100 intercepts.



Why haven't US intelligence people gone to these foreign countries to interview these named hijackers who turned out to be alive? Maybe because they knew the list was hogwash to begin with and pursuing it further will just reinforce that is was crap from the beginning.

You don’t even wonder to why no al Qaida kingpins have been named, never mind apprehended? This is not consistent with being able to name all 19 hijackers the day after the attacks and then basically accomplish nothing since then, other than launching entire wars based on all lies for the profit of the war hawks. For the FBI to be able to say “Here we go, we got them!” 72 hours after the attack and then have eight show up alive and the FBI showing no interest to find out who the real people were on the planes…that is something, I’ll tell you. And some just still buy into their story. Incredible.

Al Qaida only exists as a boogeyman invented by a cabal to justify their evil agenda. If there were hijackers on 911 from al Qaida, why is there zero evidence of it? Why were they allowed to blow off FEDERAL law that requires an investigation at every single commercial crash, FOUR times over, on 911? That is law, without any exceptions. Why were all four crashes of 911 not investigated?

You don’t think so? Please provide your evidence. There is no reason those choosing to buy into the official story get a pass to proving why their story is correct. Offer real evidence. There must be tons of it.

I usually dismiss wacko conspiracy theories straightaway.

Do you usually not answer simple questions? Has there ever been a "conspiracy theory" that caused you any doubt?

Did you read my last response? If you want to ask me about specific conspiracy theories, go right ahead ... if you think it will be interesting or enlightening for you or anybody else.

My question as it stands would probably elicit an interesting answer from someone willing to answer it. But nevermind - talking to you is like walking a cat.

Ditto. You seem to cringe from the specific. I often wonder why I respond at all.

Video of the Great burned down building.

Burned down without telltale signs on the outside?

I would hope that people do not confuse smoke of a fire with dust plumes... Smoke from fire is hot and rises, dust plumes are not hot and tend to follow gravity and the building to the ground.

Video: Burned down building



Compare :

Madrid skyscraper burns 24 hours without collapse [ http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/14/spain.block.fire/ ]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/engineers_are_baffled_over_the_collapse_of_7_wtc.html

"A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures, Dr. Barnett said.

"Any structure anywhere in the world, if you put it in these conditions, it will not stand," Mr. Marcus said. "The buildings are not designed to be a torch."

1.) Did you read the Fema report ?



2.) Do you agree with the Official Fema report or prisionplanet ?






WTC 7 Photos:




Fires on the 11th and 12th floors of the east face of the WTC 7


North face fires on floors 7 and 12 near 3 pm. (Photo source: NIST)

Where is the fire-inferno ?

Since you do not posess an engineering degree, and FEMA may not have the ability, I would tend to take the comments from engineers working independently more seriously then you.

woiyo wrote


Looks like woiyo doesn't have much faith/confidence in the Official Fema report.

Now my question to him/her is, would you want to re-open 911 investigation?

Please answer yes or no

Or would you rather live with a 'failed' Official Fema report ? :wink:



And you would only trust engineers who support yours/Bush's theory ? :wink:

They don't believe the official Fema report, but blindly follow them.