2
   

What Really Happened on 9/11?

 
 
woiyo
 
  1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2006 12:49 pm
Zippo wrote:
woiyo wrote
Quote:
FEMA may not have the ability


Looks like woiyo doesn't have much faith/confidence in the Official Fema report.

Now my question to him/her is, would you want to re-open 911 investigation?

Please answer yes or no

Or would you rather live with a 'failed' Official Fema report ? :wink:

Quote:
I would tend to take the comments from engineers working independently more seriously then you.


And you would only trust engineers who support yours/Bush's theory ? :wink:


I would trust independent and objective thinkers unlike some tout such as yourself.

In my opinion, there is no need to "re-open" any investigation relative to how the buildings were destroyed. I know WHY they fell and HOW they fell.

If one would like to "re-open" investigations as to the lack of security caused this to happen, I might be interested.
0 Replies
 
Zippo
 
  1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2006 12:54 pm
woiyo wrote:
Zippo wrote:
woiyo wrote
Quote:
FEMA may not have the ability


Looks like woiyo doesn't have much faith/confidence in the Official Fema report.

Now my question to him/her is, would you want to re-open 911 investigation?

Please answer yes or no

Or would you rather live with a 'failed' Official Fema report ? :wink:

Quote:
I would tend to take the comments from engineers working independently more seriously then you.


And you would only trust engineers who support yours/Bush's theory ? :wink:


I would trust independent and objective thinkers unlike some tout such as yourself.

In my opinion, there is no need to "re-open" any investigation relative to how the buildings were destroyed. I know WHY they fell and HOW they fell.

If one would like to "re-open" investigations as to the lack of security caused this to happen, I might be interested.


IN OTHER WORDS :

http://www.geocities.com/first_line81/head_20up_20ass.jpg
0 Replies
 
woiyo
 
  1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2006 12:58 pm
Well, I'm done with you.

Is that the best way, based upon all your collective education and experience, you could respond?

Apparently, for a child, it is.

Have a nice day.
0 Replies
 
Zippo
 
  1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2006 01:01 pm
Do you trust this engineer ? [ Dave Heller, who has degrees in physics and architecture, is a builder and engaged citizen in Berkeley, California. ]

Quote:
Taking a Closer Look: Hard Science and the Collapse of the World Trade Center

By Dave Heller


While it may be difficult to awaken everyone from their state-induced fog of fear, we are at a critical point in history which requires us to try. We truly must take an objective look at the facts and evidence surrounding 9-11.

While none of the many 9-11 researchers knows exactly what happened on that fateful day in September almost 3 years ago, any sensible person can easily spot dozens of inconsistencies in the official story that is being forced upon us.

And these inconsistencies are huge. They range from the apparent stand-down of our immense military arsenal (for over an hour and a half) to the small hole and lack of debris at the Pentagon. There was Bush's bizarre, uninterrupted photo op in a Florida elementary school, and then there is the matter of the remains of Flight 93 being scattered over eight miles of Pennsylvania farmland, a fact which suggests the plane may have been shot down. The official story seems wrong on all of these points.

But the focus of this article is on just one point: the odd collapse of the three buildings in the World Trade Center complex.
How I First Began to Question: WTC7

The World Trade Center (WTC) contained seven buildings. The Twin Towers were called buildings One (WTC1) and Two (WTC2). They collapsed in truly astounding fashion, but the event that caused me first to question the official story about the events of 9-11 was viewing videos of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC7).

If you've forgotten, WTC7 was a 47-story building that was not hit by an airplane or by any significant debris from either WTC1 or WTC2. Buildings 3, 4, 5, and 6 were struck by massive amounts of debris from the collapsing Twin Towers, yet none collapsed, despite their thin-gauge steel supports.

http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue6/images/WTC7_collapses.jpg
Viewing the Collapse of WTC7
The 9-11 commemorative videos produced by PBS and CNN are best. Both clearly show WTC7's implosion.


WTC7, which was situated on the next block over, was the farthest of the buildings from WTC1 and WTC2. WTC7 happened to contain the New York City Office of Emergency Management (OEM), a facility that was, according to testimony to the 9-11 Commission, one of the most sophisticated Emergency Command Centers on the planet. But shortly after 5:20 pm on Sept. 11, as the horrific day was coming to a close, WTC7 mysteriously imploded and fell to the ground in an astounding 6.5

6.5 seconds. This is a mere 0.5 seconds more than freefall in a vacuum. To restate this, a rock dropped from the 47th floor would have taken at least 6 seconds to hit the ground. WTC7, in its entirety, fell to the earth in 6.5 seconds. Now, recall, we're supposed to believe that each floor of the building "pancaked" on the one below. Each of the 47 floors supposedly pancaked and collapsed, individually. Yet WTC7 reached the ground in 0.5 seconds longer than freefall. Is this really possible?

Judge for yourself. Watch WTC7 go down. It takes 6.5 seconds. Take out your stopwatch.

What About Towers One and Two?

The odd, swift collapse of WTC7 made me reconsider the Twin Towers and how they fell. As I had with WTC7, I first studied video footage available on the web. Then I acquired and watched a DVD of the collapses, frame by frame.

What struck me first was the way the second plane hit WTC2, the South Tower. I noticed that this plane, United Airlines Flight 175, which weighed over 160,000 pounds and was traveling at 350 mph, did not even visibly move the building when it slammed into it. How, I wondered, could a building that did not visibly move from a heavy high speed projectile collapse at near freefall speed less than an hour later.

http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue6/images/WTC_map2.jpg

Next, I turned my attention to steel beams that fell in freefall next to the building as it collapsed. The beams were falling at the same rate that the towers themselves were descending. Familiar with elementary physics, including principles of conservation of energy and momentum, this seemed quite impossible if the towers were indeed “pancaking,” which is the official theory.

The height of the South Tower is 1362 feet. I calculated that from that height, freefall in a vacuum (read, absolutely no resistance on earth) is 9.2 seconds. According to testimony provided to the 9-11 Commission, the tower fell in 10 seconds. Other data shows it took closer to 14 seconds. So the towers fell within 0.8-4.8 seconds of freefall in a vacuum. Just like WTC7, this speed seemed impossible if each of the 110 floors had to fail individually.

As I was considering this, another problem arose. There is a principle in physics called the Law of Conservation of Energy. There is also the Law of Conservation of Momentum. I'll briefly explain how these principles work. Let’s assume there are two identical Honda Civics on the freeway. One is sitting in neutral at a standstill (0 mph). The other is coasting at 60 mph. The second Honda slams into the back of the first one. The first Honda will then instantaneously be going much faster than it was, and the second will instantaneously be going much slower than it was.

This is how the principle works in the horizontal direction, and it works the same in the vertical direction — with the added constant force of gravity added to it. Jim Hoffman, a professional scientist published in several peer-reviewed scientific journals, took a long look at all of this. He calculated that even if the structure itself offered no resistance — that is to say, even if the 110 floors of each tower were hovering in mid-air — the "pancake" theory would still have taken a minimum of 15.5 seconds to reach the ground. So, even if the building essentially didn't exist — if it provided no resistance at all to the collapse — just the floors hitting each other and causing each other to decelerate would've taken 15.5 seconds to reach the ground.

But of course the buildings did exist. They had stood for over 30 years. The floors weren't hovering in mid-air. So how did the building provide no resistance?

Yet another observation one makes in watching the collapsing towers is the huge dust clouds and debris, including steel beams, that were thrown hundreds of feet out horizontally from the towers as they fell. If we are to believe the pancake theory, this amount of scattering debris, fine pulverized concrete dust, and sheetrock powder would clearly indicate massive resistance to the vertical collapse. So there is an impossible conflict. You either have a miraculous, historical, instantaneous, catastrophic failure that occurs within a fraction of a second of freefall and that kicks out little dust, or you have a solid, hefty building that remains virtually unaffected after a massive, speeding projectile hits it. You either have a house of cards or a house of bricks. The building either resists its collapse or it doesn't.

And we know the WTC Towers were made of reinforced steel and concrete that would act much more like bricks than cards.

Thus, put simply, the floors could not have been pancaking. The buildings fell too quickly. The floors must all have been falling simultaneously to reach the ground in such a short amount of time. But how?
What About the Fires?

The official story maintains that fires weakened the buildings. Jet fuel supposedly burned so hot it began to melt the steel columns supporting the towers. But steel-framed skyscrapers have never collapsed from fire, since they're built from steel that doesn't melt below 2750 degrees Fahrenheit. No fuel, not even jet fuel, which is really just refined kerosene, will burn hotter than 1500 degrees Fahrenheit.

Steel-framed skyscrapers have never collapsed from fire.
It's also odd that WTC7, which wasn't hit by an airplane or by any significant debris, collapsed in strikingly similar fashion to the Twin Towers. There wasn't even any jet fuel or kerosene burning in WTC7.

According to the 9-11 report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), “the specifics of the fires in WTC7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time.”

Aside from its startling nonchalance, this statement makes a rather profound assumption. Again, no building prior to 9-11, in the 100-plus year history of steel frame buildings, had ever collapsed from fire.

http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue6/images/WTC_satellite-inset.jpg

This fact was known to firemen. Hence their unflinching rush up into the skyscrapers to put out the fire. Partly it was bravery, to be sure, but partly it was concrete knowledge that skyscrapers do not collapse due to fire. Yet after 100 years, three collapsed in one day.

Did the FEMA investigators not think to ask the New York City Fire Department how they thought the fire started, or how the fires could have caused the astounding, historical collapse? This would seem to be an elementary step in any investigation about a fire. Instead, they chose to leave the cause of the collapse "unknown."
Conclusion

So if the science in this article is correct (none of it goes beyond the tenth grade level), then we know that the floors of the three WTC buildings were not pancaking but were falling simultaneously. We also know that fire is an insufficient explanation for the initiation of the collapse of the buildings.

Why, then, did the three WTC buildings fall?

There is a method that has been able to consistently get skyscrapers to fall as fast as the three buildings of the World Trade Center fell on 9-11. In this method, each floor of a building is destroyed at just the moment the floor above is about to strike it. Thus, the floors fall simultaneously — and in virtual freefall. This method, when precisely used, has indeed given near-freefall speed to demolitions of buildings all over the world in the past few decades. This method could have brought down WTC7 in 6.5 seconds. This method is called controlled demolition.

A controlled demolition would have exploded debris horizontally at a rapid rate. A controlled demolition would also explain the fine, pulverized concrete powder, whereas pancaking floors would leave chunks of concrete. Controlled demolition would also explain the seismic evidence recorded nearby of two small earthquakes — each just before one of the Twin Towers collapsed. And finally, controlled demolition would explain why three steel skyscrapers — two of which were struck by planes and one of which wasn't — all collapsed in essentially the same way.

http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue6/images/WTC_collapse.jpg

Ongoing Questions

But having established that all three WTC towers had to have been assisted in their failures, I asked myself, Who could have planted the explosives to blow up the buildings in a controlled demolition? Could fundamentalist Muslim fanatics have gotten the plans for those buildings, engineered the demolition, and then gotten into them to plant the explosives?

This seemed improbable. And after learning that WTC7 housed the FBI, CIA, and the OEM, it seemed impossible. Then I thought, Why would terrorists engineer a building to implode? Wouldn’t they want to cause even more damage to the surrounding buildings and possibly create more havoc and destruction from debris exploding away from the building? And if they'd planted explosives in the buildings, why would they have bothered hijacking and flying planes into them? Perhaps WTC7 was demolished to destroy evidence that would answer these questions. To this day, I don't know. But this is how I began to question the official story about 9-11.

Recently I learned that President Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, is a part owner of the company that not only provided security for both United and American Airlines, but also for the World Trade Center complex itself. I also discovered that Larry Silverstein, who had bought the leasing rights for the WTC complex from the NY/NJ Port Authority in May of 2001 for $200 million, had received a $3.55 billion insurance settlement right after 9-11 — yet he was suing for an additional $3.55 billion by claiming the two hits on the towers constituted two separate terrorist attacks! He stood to make $7 billion dollars on a four month investment. Talk about motive.

In conclusion, I'll repeat myself. None of the many 9-11 researchers can definitively say exactly what happened on that fateful day in September almost 3 years ago. But any sensible person can easily spot dozens of inconsistencies in the official story that is being forced upon us. And the fact is, most of the available 9-11 evidence points to at least some level of government complicity or foreknowledge.

Please, read more for yourself. Don't take my word for it. Most of all, do not buy the double-speak that visible politicians and the media use to discount any question about 9-11. Clearly, there are no “conspiracy theories” surrounding 9-11. The official story itself affirms that there was obviously some kind of conspiracy. It's just a question of which conspiracy occurred. We know it wasn't mere coincidence that several hijackers happened to be on several different airplanes and happened to hijack them at the exact same time and happened to pick the World Trade Center as a target. The real question is, “Who was involved in the conspiracy?”

Dave Heller, who has degrees in physics and architecture, is a builder and engaged citizen in Berkeley, California.

http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue6/Dave_Heller.cfm
0 Replies
 
Amigo
 
  1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2006 03:33 pm
old europe wrote:
Amigo wrote:
The best way dispell a conspiracy is prove it wrong. So do it!

And make a million dollars while your at it.


I notice they have $1,000,000 to give away while at the same time they whine about this:

Quote:
Unreasonable Demands
This returns us to the aforementioned $13,278 demand by NIST in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for the NIST visual database. ... Their demand for this large sum limits this valuable collection to a few well funded institutions, or to very wealthy private individuals. NIST claims that this sum is to cover search and review fees, as well as duplication costs; this is difficult to qualify, and is not explained or justified by NIST (Unfortunately, nothing requires them to do so).


Can anybody explain this?

(see, Amigo: that's how easy it is to come up with odd coincidences and intelligent questions...)
Old europe, You are the same as every other person coming to these threads to "argue" but you come armed with nothing. You guys come here with no debate.

IT IS A FACT THAT THEIR IS NO DEBATE THAT EXIST ON THIS THREAD TO THE INFORMATION OFFERED.

Or really any other thread on A2K about 9/11. WHY?????

This is all I have heard. This is your "argument"

1. "You guys are conspiracy nuts"

2. "How could the government pull something like that off"

3. "The government already told us what happened"

IF ANYBODY HAS A DEBATE ON THIS I BEG YOU, BRING IT ON! OTHERWISE TAKE YOUR BULLSHIT SOMWHERE ELSE.

This is not fu**ing childs play!!!!!

I am a non-violent peaceful dissenting AMERICAN. If certain laws get passed I can be arrested for what I post on A2K and all I am surrounded by is sleepwalking f**king idiots.

"You guys are conspiracy nuts"
"How could they do that"
"We can trust the government. They tell us the truth"

And i'm crazy????????? It's like talking to little kids!!!!!!
0 Replies
 
Dookiestix
 
  1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2006 03:50 pm
One day those little kids are going to have to face the facts that there will be another 9/11 investigation. Unlike the Kennedy assassination, the deaths of THOUSANDS will become a strong motivating factor in investigating what REALLY happened.

http://www.911truth.org/
http://www.loosechange911.com/
http://www.thepowerhour.com/

We will not stop until the truth is known.
0 Replies
 
LeftCoastBum
 
  1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2006 04:02 pm
if you cant sit there and read that book that to no offense zippo put up go here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848 and watch this video some of it takes a tiny leap but there are solid facts about the structure cabilitys of the to towers plus visuals are always nice.
0 Replies
 
Zippo
 
  1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2006 04:06 pm
LeftCoastBum and Dookiestix, thanks for the links Smile

The Best Video i have seen, everyone go to the site and watch the movie preview, i advise you buy the DVD/video.

You'll find it hard to believe.

911EYEWITNESS - SEVEN LAWS of SCIENCE prove TREASON, FRAUD & MURDER. SLOW MOTION, FREEZE-FRAME VIDEO and AUDIO ANAYLSIS reveal the HIDDEN TRUTH
FEMA TERROR DRILL @ World Trade Center Resulted in CONTROLLED DEMOLITION During WAR GAME EXERCISE Week Simulating 22 HIJACKED PLANES on Sept. 11, 2001

911 Eyewitness DVD wins Oscar for Best Documentary in 2005


http://www.911eyewitness.com/samples3.html

Also there is a google video :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=eyewitness
0 Replies
 
Ticomaya
 
  1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2006 04:15 pm
Amigo wrote:
If certain laws get passed I can be arrested for what I post on A2K and all I am surrounded by is sleepwalking f**king idiots.


Yes, and let's all remember that if certain laws get passed, we can all be arrested for wearing the wrong color shirt, or for not watering our lawns on the proper day of the week.
0 Replies
 
Setanta
 
  1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2006 04:29 pm
As for the lawn watering, i've seen such laws in Ohio, although the laws specified penalties for watering one's lawn on certain days of the week, and at certain times of the day. In northern New Mexico, in fact, one has access to the acequia for a limited amount of time on certain specified days. The contention is not as ridiculous as you would like to make it seem. Of course, i don't want to spoil your fun. I know the sneer is more important to you than the burden of any discussion.
0 Replies
 
Amigo
 
  1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2006 09:49 pm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529813972926262623&pl=true
0 Replies
 
Ticomaya
 
  1  
Wed 29 Mar, 2006 09:53 am
Setanta wrote:
As for the lawn watering, i've seen such laws in Ohio, although the laws specified penalties for watering one's lawn on certain days of the week, and at certain times of the day. In northern New Mexico, in fact, one has access to the acequia for a limited amount of time on certain specified days.


I'm aware of proscriptions on lawn-watering on certain days, but not making it a jailable offense. Usually the municipality just issues a citation to these folks. Are you saying Ohio arrests such citizens?

Quote:
The contention is not as ridiculous as you would like to make it seem.


My point was not to be completely ridiculous, but to highlight the ridiculousness of hysterical fear of certain laws that might get passed in the future.

Quote:
Of course, i don't want to spoil your fun.


Since when?

Quote:
I know the sneer is more important to you than the burden of any discussion.


Thanks. If you want to discuss Amigo's hysterical fears, please go right ahead.
0 Replies
 
old europe
 
  1  
Wed 29 Mar, 2006 12:53 pm
Zippo wrote:
Do you trust this engineer ?


No. Because from this

Quote:
Thus, put simply, the floors could not have been pancaking. The buildings fell too quickly. The floors must all have been falling simultaneously to reach the ground in such a short amount of time. But how?


he reaches the conclusion that it was a controlled demolition.

He says he has done the math: if 110 floors were pancaking, it would take 15.5 seconds for a building to collapse.

Now, the thing is: does this look like the collapse started on floor 110, and proceded downwards, from top to bottom:

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0305911-collapse-lg.jpg

Does it to you? It doesn't to me. To me, it looks like the collapse started where the tower was hit by the plane. Now, the plane crashed into the 78th to the 84th floors of that tower. Assuming the collapse started right in between (floor 81), that leaves us 29 floors less than what Dave Heller is claiming. (Look at the picture: a lot of floors, all coming down simultanously!)

So, Dave says that

Quote:
I calculated that from that height, freefall in a vacuum (read, absolutely no resistance on earth) is 9.2 seconds.


for 110 floors. So, if we take Dave's calculations as a basis, it would take 6,8 seconds for 81 floors to collapse.

He then goes on and says

Quote:
According to testimony provided to the 9-11 Commission, the tower fell in 10 seconds. Other data shows it took closer to 14 seconds. So the towers fell within 0.8-4.8 seconds of freefall in a vacuum.


but only if you assume that the collapse started at floor 110. Which clearly wasn't the case (look at the picture!). If you do the math for 81 floors, then this tower fell within 3.2-7.2 seconds of freefall in a vacuum. 7.2 seconds, that would be more than twice the time of freefall in a vacuum.

Now, back to what Davey has to say:

Quote:
this speed seemed impossible if each of the 110 floors had to fail individually.


Well, yeah. "If each of the 110 floors had to fail individually". But, as every video footage, and every picture from the collapse shows, that's not what happened (look at the picture!). That's where he made this tiny mistake.
0 Replies
 
Dookiestix
 
  1  
Wed 29 Mar, 2006 01:13 pm
BOTH WTC buildings imploded on themselves. Now, what are the chances of that happening?

And where is there another example of a building imploding exactly like BOTH WTC towers (and Building 7) just because they were on fire?

I have yet to see ANY other example that has been well documented.

Most demolition experts have attributed the collapse of the buildings to demolitions. It's the most logical (and scientifically backed-up) reasons for what happened on 9/11.
0 Replies
 
old europe
 
  1  
Wed 29 Mar, 2006 01:16 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
And where is there another example of a building imploding exactly like BOTH WTC towers (and Building 7) just because they were on fire?


I don't know, but I think "just because they were on fire" doesn't cut it...
0 Replies
 
old europe
 
  1  
Wed 29 Mar, 2006 01:18 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
Most demolition experts have attributed the collapse of the buildings to demolitions. It's the most logical (and scientifically backed-up) reasons for what happened on 9/11.


Dookie, just out of curiosity (and reasons for the collapses aside): do you agree that the collapse started exactly on the floors where the towers had been hit by the planes?
0 Replies
 
plainoldme
 
  1  
Wed 29 Mar, 2006 03:25 pm
I have always believed the FBI or some such organization put 9/11 together.
0 Replies
 
old europe
 
  1  
Wed 29 Mar, 2006 03:29 pm
And I have always believed that Paul McCartney died in 1966 in a car crash and was replaced by the winner of a McCartney-look-alike contest....
0 Replies
 
Amigo
 
  1  
Wed 29 Mar, 2006 04:01 pm
Ticomaya wrote:


"Thanks. If you want to discuss Amigo's hysterical fears, please go right ahead."

Yes, Let's discuss "Amigo's hysterical fears" of a "conspiracy theory nut". Lets start with dispelling the conspiracy. Let's use the Popular Mechanics piece.

*****************
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.htm
Chertoff's Cousin Penned Popular Mechanics 9/11 Hit Piece

Chistopher Bollyn for American Free Press | March 7 2005

Dictators like Saddam Hussein have always used nepotism to protect their secrets and maintain control. Like a dictatorship, the inner cabal that directs the actions of the Bush administration uses the same tactics to confuse the public and conceal the truth of 9/11.

Dictators have always employed nepotism, the placing of family members in key positions, for one simple reason: only loyal family members can be trusted with the secrets that keep them in power. For this reason the shameless nepotism of the Bush administration should alarm Americans because it indicates that a dictatorship is encroaching upon the United States.

The Defense Department defines nepotism as the situation when relatives are in the same chain-of-command.

An egregious example of dictatorial-style nepotism occurred when George W. Bush won the White House ? twice ? thanks to the key "swing state" of Florida, where the presidential candidate's younger brother is governor. In 2000 and 2004, against all odds, Florida swung decisively, the Bush way.

With high federal offices being given to the wives, sons and daughters of senior members of the Bush administration, the Hearst Corporation executives that publish Popular Mechanics magazine probably didn't worry about the ethical considerations of hiring a cousin of Michael Chertoff, a former Assistant Attorney General and the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), as senior researcher.

But the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics (PM) plumbs new depths of nepotism and Hearst-style "yellow journalism" with its cover story about 9/11. PM's senior researcher, 25-year-old Benjamin Chertoff, authored a propagandistic cover story entitled "Debunking 9/11 Lies" which seeks to discredit all independent 9/11 research that challenges the official version of events.

"Conspiracy theories can't stand up to the hard facts," the cover reads. "After an in-depth investigation, PM answers with the truth," it says. But the article fails to provide evidence to support its claims and doesn't answer the key question: What caused the collapses of the twin towers and the 47-story World Trade Center 7?

The Chertoff article goes on to confront the "poisonous claims" of 16 "myths" spun by "extremist" 9/11 researchers like myself with "irrefutable facts," mostly provided by individuals in the employ of the U.S. government.

But who is Benjamin Chertoff, the "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics who is behind the article? American Free Press has learned that he is none other than a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

This means that Hearst paid Benjamin Chertoff to write an article supporting the seriously flawed explanation that is based on a practically non-existent investigation of the terror event that directly led to the creation of the massive national security department his "cousin" now heads. This is exactly the kind of "journalism" one would expect to find in a dictatorship like that of Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

Because the manager of public relations for Popular Mechanics didn't respond to repeated calls from American Free Press, I called Benjamin Chertoff, the magazine's "senior researcher," directly.

Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist ? the one who never answers the phone.

Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."

*******************

9/11: Debunking The Myths
PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

Published in the March, 2005 issue.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html


9/11: Debunking The Myths
PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.


FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?

Three and a half years later, not everyone is convinced we know the truth. Go to Google.com, type in the search phrase "World Trade Center conspiracy" and you'll get links to an estimated 628,000 Web sites. More than 3000 books on 9/11 have been published; many of them reject the official consensus that hijackers associated with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda flew passenger planes into U.S. landmarks.

Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia. Wild conspiracy tales are peddled daily on the Internet, talk radio and in other media. Blurry photos, quotes taken out of context and sketchy eyewitness accounts have inspired a slew of elaborate theories: The Pentagon was struck by a missile; the World Trade Center was razed by demolition-style bombs; Flight 93 was shot down by a mysterious white jet. As outlandish as these claims may sound, they are increasingly accepted abroad and among extremists here in the United States.

To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.--THE EDITORS

*******
"628,000 Web sites and More than 3000 books on 9/11 have been published."

That sure is alot of "Healthy skepticism" turned into "Paranoia" from " extremists here in the United States."

I am a healthy, Hard working, tax paying, beer drinking, God fearing, American Citizen. My Dad was in the Navy, My stepdad (from a very young age) was in Viet Nam. My sister is a school teacher and a qrauduete from U.S.C. and yet from this media outlet who is directly connected to the government and homeland security I am a "Parinoid extremist"

628,000 web sites and 3000 books worth of American "Paranoid extremist"
0 Replies
 
Zippo
 
  1  
Wed 29 Mar, 2006 04:11 pm
old europe

Quote:
He says he has done the math: if 110 floors were pancaking, it would take 15.5 seconds for a building to collapse.

Now, the thing is: does this look like the collapse started on floor 110, and proceded downwards, from top to bottom:


Are you using popular mechanics for your reference ? Very Happy

They will always try to debunk a straw man.

What makes you think the engineer was talking about the south tower ?

Why do you always ignore WTC 7 ?

Does this look like a pancake collapse ? Smile

http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/gallery/demo.jpg


Where is the inferno ?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/woman_in_blackhole.jpg


Photo of WTC3 , why didnt it collapse ?

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/wtc_biggart1836c.jpg

Concrete does not turn into powder from simple pancaking of floors. See this picture from the recent earthquake in Pakistan.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5459/522/1600/4_pancake150.jpg

In case you thought buildings could only fall straight down into their "footprint".

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5459/522/1600/chinese%20demolition.jpg

Quote:
There are rumors that $160 billion in gold bullion was stored under the World Trade Center. Yet the only published articles about recovered gold mention only around $200 million worth of gold. All of the reports of recovered precious metals appear to refer to a removal operation conducted in late October of 2001. On Nov. 1, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced that "more than $230 million" worth of gold and silver bars that had been stored in a bomb-proof vault had been recovered. A New York Times article contained:


http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/images/engineering_img_property_2.jpg
This image is found on the PBS.org website companion for the television documentary America Rebuilds under the section Uncovering Property. The page, entitled A Treasure in Silver and Gold, describes the vault as two levels of 3,000 square feet each. See the source for the full-sized image. The page credits images to Leslie E. Robertson and Associates.

http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/engineering/engineering_property_02.html
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.07 seconds on 12/23/2024 at 11:33:39