What Really Happened on 9/11?

Actually, let me combine the last two of your statements:

Zippo wrote:

Fire burned all three towers down, even though steel framed skyscrapers have never collapsed due to fire.

Zippo wrote:

if you have claimed something you have to prove it. :wink:

Thats what the Fema report says..duh!

Just look at the photos i posted, have they collapsed ?

Zippo wrote:

Thats what the Fema report says..duh!

What does the FEMA report say? Did you read it, or are you relying on what the conspiracy websites say it allegedly says?

And, if you read it, can you point out what it says and where you agree with it? And can you tell us why you point to the FEMA report, and say, "Hey look, that's what the FEMA report says", when you are saying that the FEMA report can't be trusted?

Power to the Twin Towers was wired from the substation in WTC 7 through two separate systems. The first provided power throughout each building; the second provided power only to the emergency systems. In the event of fire, power would only be provided to the emergency systems. This was to * prevent arcing electric lines igniting new fires and to reduce the risk of firefighters being electrocuted. There were also six 1,200 kW emergency power generators located in the sixth basement (B-6) level of the towers, which provided a backup power supply. These also had normal and emergency subsystems.
Previous to the collapse of the South Tower, the power to the towers was switched to the emergency subsystem to provide power for communications equipment, elevators, emergency lighting in corridors and stairwells, and fire pumps and safety for firefighters. At this time power was still provided by the WTC 7 substation.
Con Ed reported that "the feeders supplying power to WTC 7 were de-energized at 9:59 a.m.". This was due to the South Tower collapse which occurred at the same time.
Unfortunately, even though the main power system for the towers was switched off and WTC 7 had been evacuated, a design flaw allowed generators (designed to supply backup power for the WTC complex) to start up and resume an unnecessary and unwanted power supply.
Unfortunately, debris from the collapse of the north tower (the closest tower) fell across the building known as World Trade Center Six, and then across Vesey Street, and then impacted WTC 7 which is (at closest) 355 feet away from the north tower.
Unfortunately, some of this debris penetrated the outer wall of WTC 7, smashed half way through the building, demolishing a concrete masonry wall (in the north half of the building) and then breached a fuel oil pipe that ran across the building just to the north of the masonry wall.
Unfortunately, though most of the falling debris was cold, it manages to start numerous fires in WTC 7.
Unfortunately, even with the outbreak of numerous fires in the building, no decision was made to turn off the generators now supplying electricity to WTC 7. Fortunately, for the firefighters, someone did make the decision not to fight and contain the fires while they were still small, but to wait until the fires were large and out of control. Otherwise, many firefighters may have been electrocuted while fighting the fires.
Unfortunately, the safety mechanism that should have shut down the fuel oil pumps (which were powered by electricity) upon the breaching of the fuel line, failed to work and fuel oil (diesel) was pumped from the Salomon Smith Barney tanks on the ground floor onto the 5th floor where it ignited. The pumps eventually emptied the tanks, pumping some 12,000 gallons in all.
Unfortunately, the sprinkler system of WTC 7 malfunctioned and did not extinguish the fires.
Unfortunately, the burning diesel heated trusses one and two to the point that they lost their structural integrity.
Unfortunately, this then (somehow) caused the whole building to collapse, even though before September 11, no steel framed skyscraper had ever collapsed due to fire.

Zippo wrote:

Just look at the photos i posted, have they collapsed ?

No, I haven't looked at the photos. Which one of them was hit by an airliner, you said?

old europe wrote:

What does the FEMA report say? Did you read it, or are you relying on what the conspiracy websites say it allegedly says?

And, if you read it, can you point out what it says and where you agree with it? And can you tell us why you point to the FEMA report, and say, "Hey look, that's what the FEMA report says", when you are saying that the FEMA report can't be trusted?

Here is the link : the7thfire its the summarized version, you have to compare that with the official version, or go to the official Fema website.

old europe wrote:

Zippo wrote:

Just look at the photos i posted, have they collapsed ?

No, I haven't looked at the photos. Which one of them was hit by an airliner, you said?

Please dont act dumb, i'm talking about WTC 7, unless you saw a plane hitting that building ?

Zippo wrote:

old europe wrote:

What does the FEMA report say? Did you read it, or are you relying on what the conspiracy websites say it allegedly says?

And, if you read it, can you point out what it says and where you agree with it? And can you tell us why you point to the FEMA report, and say, "Hey look, that's what the FEMA report says", when you are saying that the FEMA report can't be trusted?

Here is the link : the7thfire its the summarized version, you have to compare that with the official version, or go to the official Fema website.

So you didn't read the FEMA report? (a simple "yes" or "no" will suffice...)

Yes i have read it about 100 times, have you read it ? hope you are going to explain in detail how WTC7 collapsed.

Zippo wrote:

Yes i have read it about 100 times, have you read it ? hope you are going to explain in detail how WTC7 collapsed.

It's in the report, isn't it? What's the part you're having problems with?

SJ: FEMA had the decency to say; look, this hypothesis - they call it the best hypothesis, it's the only one they looked at, really, which is fire caused collapse of building seven - has only a low probability of occurance. I quote that in my paper also, it's FEMA, so to their credit they admit: We don't understand - and they say, they say that; we don't understand. But what they should do as good scientists is say; now, what other hypothesis might apply? We see squibs. We see a fast symmetrical collapse of this building. Hmmmm, it looks a little bit like controlled demolition, maybe we should consider - but they don't - " http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/261105jonestranscript.htm

old europe wrote:

Zippo wrote:

Yes i have read it about 100 times, have you read it ? hope you are going to explain in detail how WTC7 collapsed.

It's in the report, isn't it? What's the part you're having problems with?

Find the Chapter from the Fema report and post it.
I know exactly what it says, i want you to convince me.

Zippo wrote:

old europe wrote:

Zippo wrote:

Yes i have read it about 100 times, have you read it ? hope you are going to explain in detail how WTC7 collapsed.

It's in the report, isn't it? What's the part you're having problems with?

Find the Chapter from the Fema report and post it.
I know exactly what it says, i want you to convince me.

Convince you of what?

old europe wrote:

Zippo wrote:

Just look at the photos i posted, have they collapsed ?

No, I haven't looked at the photos. Which one of them was hit by an airliner, you said?

Please dont act dumb, i'm talking about WTC 7, unless you saw a plane hitting that building ?

old europe wrote:

Zippo wrote:

old europe wrote:

Zippo wrote:

Yes i have read it about 100 times, have you read it ? hope you are going to explain in detail how WTC7 collapsed.

It's in the report, isn't it? What's the part you're having problems with?

Find the Chapter from the Fema report and post it.
I know exactly what it says, i want you to convince me.

Convince you of what?

Convince me that FIRE! can quickly burn down a steel framed building, mimicking like a controlled demo. :wink:

He not "acting" dumb Zippo, he's willing himself dumb. All the information is here and everywhere for anyone who wants to educate oneself.

You as a "conspiracy theory nut" serve a number of psycological purposes for certain people like reinforcing there denial, apathy and blissful ignorance.

old europe, well that's why we need a real investigation. FEMA said the story that fire caused collapse of building seven - has only a low probability of occurance. We need answers that only a new investigation has a chance of answering. An investigation scrutinized by all sides but ver much including scientific experts who have raised intelligent questions concerning the governments theory. It cant be one sided or conducted in the dark. The people have a need to know what findings are made and in detail.