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What Really Happened on 9/11?

 
 
Amigo
 
  1  
Thu 30 Mar, 2006 06:15 pm
http://www.st911.org/
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woiyo
 
  1  
Fri 31 Mar, 2006 09:03 am
Zippo wrote:
woiyo, you are a troll, do you want me to post that photo of you again ? Very Happy


Sure. Demonstrate again for all to see the clown you really are.

Your handle matches your IQ and your avatar matchs your argument.

You are the clown.
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CoastalRat
 
  1  
Fri 31 Mar, 2006 11:23 am
Oh thanks Woiyo, you're giving us clowns a bad name.
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woiyo
 
  1  
Fri 31 Mar, 2006 11:40 am
CoastalRat wrote:
Oh thanks Woiyo, you're giving us clowns a bad name.


My apologies to you CR and all the legitimate Clowns.

However, your issue is with Zippy the clown.
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Zippo
 
  1  
Fri 31 Mar, 2006 03:44 pm
old europe
Quote:
You're trying to have it both ways. Again.

"The lower levels should have withstood the force at least 1 second per level".


You are a liar!

I did not use that quote, why are to trying to mislead people?
Why don't you answer my questions ?, you can't keep running away from the hard questions and only use a straw man argument Smile

You have failed to answer any of my questions.

1. Why did the toppling 35 floor block pulverize in to fine concrete dust ?

2. Does your theory apply to WTC7 and North Tower ? Smile

3. Why can't you see an explosion in any of the photos posted ?

4. Do you seriously believe that an 'undamaged passport' could have been found many block away. ?
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Zippo
 
  1  
Fri 31 Mar, 2006 03:51 pm
March 29, 2006

9/11 -- Eliminating the Impossible

By Sheila Samples

It is always better to say right out what you think without trying to prove anything much: for all our proofs are only variations of our opinions, and the contrary-minded listen neither to one nor the other."~~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


I said I'd never do it -- say what I think about that terrible morning of September 11, 2001. I've seen what happens to those who question the elaborate, tangled explanations the Bush administration offers about what happened, how it happened, who did it, and why they did it. It doesn't matter if those who dare speak truth to the lies are professors, investigative reporters, eyewitnesses, scientists -- "conspiracy theorist" is immediately tattooed on their foreheads. They are jeered at, ridiculed, spat upon and swift-boated right out of the room. They are banished to the outskirts of civilized society.

But my friend Bernie says we're way beyond asking questions about 9-11 and, since nobody listens to me anyway, I might as well get it off my chest. "Besides," Bernie said, "George Bush never shuts up about 9-11. He's obsessed with it. No matter what anybody asks him, he spouts September the 11th. Bush never says September 11; he never says 9-11," Bernie groaned, "he just keeps chanting over and over -- September the 11th, September the 11th, September the 11th, Septem --"

"I get the picture!" I interrupted, shuddering at the loathsome image of Bush cavorting around September "the" 11th, pointing to it in every public appearance with masturbatory delight, reveling in the knowledge that "history will show" they got away with it. "You know, Bernie," I sighed, "it's like he's bragging about a grand accomplishment. You'd almost think it was an inside job."

"Of course it was an inside job," Bernie snorted. "Anyone who can connect even two dots without ramming one up his nose and the other into his forehead knows that. And anyone who's ever flown a Cessna 172 is roaring with laughter at the thought of those Muslim guys Bush fingered emerging from a dusty Florida airport, climbing into the cockpit of a Boeing 757, looking at the flashing lights, bells and whistles on its control panel, and know which button to push to even talk to the passengers, let alone get that 100-ton beast in the air. HAW HAW...

"We know they did it," Bernie said, suddenly sober. "Every single one of us. We know it now -- and we knew it then." He rose and started toward the door -- "All you gotta remember is ... if something is something, it can't be anything else but that something. No matter how they dress it up, no matter how much lipstick they smear on it, it's still that something. It ain't never something else. Everything that's happened in the last five years, and everything that'll happen in the next five," Bernie said, "is a result of that one day Bush keeps throwing in our faces -- September the 11th."

I sat there, trying to wrap my mind around Bernie's string of "somethings," when it suddenly occurred to me. Of course! Bernie instinctively hit upon the universal law called dharma, a simple principle that brings order to chaos -- things are what they are, and a thing cannot be other than what it is. Universal laws cannot be broken, even by the genocidal warmongers running rampant within this administration, no matter how hard they try. Knowing Bernie, however, I suspect he was channeling Sherlock Holmes who skillfully used the critical dharma tool Sir Arthur Conan Doyle gave him to solve crime -- "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

For four and a half years, questions about 9-11 have swirled through the Internet with tornadic force, yet caused scarcely a breeze within the mainstream media. The sheer number of heroic questioners helped to keep the door of truth open just a crack in spite of a relentless effort of the Bush men, the media and the Congress to force it shut. It hasn't been easy. Americans' psyches were shattered on 9-11 when, with no warning, they suddenly came face-to-face with raw, fiendish evil. They were incapable of handling the truth.

Americans are waking up. They have been told one -- or one hundred -- too many lies. They instinctively know there are only three areas of questions about 9-11 whose answers, however improbable, reveal the truth.

One -- Who, or what, flew the four hijacked planes on 9-11? Certainly not the inexperienced, box-cutter-armed bunch of rag-tag Saudis -- most of whom are still alive -- whose photographs the FBI plastered on our TV screens and in our minds immediately after the attack. There were no Arabs in the air on the morning of 9-11, performing astonishing feats of acrobatic maneuvering -- spinning and snap-rolling and pulling 180's (scroll down to see flight paths) into the World Trade Center and Pentagon -- nor were any listed on the manifests of the four flights. The only proof of their presence is the passport of one Salem Suqami that fluttered through the chaos of explosions, a raging inferno and collapse of buildings and landed, undamaged, on the sidewalk below.

Actually, we need go no further into the 9-11 morass than the planes. What we witnessed on that ghastly morning was a carefully planned, perfectly orchestrated PSYOPS attack on a citizenry by its own government. The first victim of this brutal assault was possibly the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), which was juggling a minimum of five training exercises that morning and, at any one time its radar screens showed up to 22 hijacked aircraft. Much has been written about NORAD "standing down" on 9-11. I don't buy that for one minute.

But NORAD is guilty. It is guilty of assuming the mass confusion was a result of multiple war games it was playing that morning of crashing planes into buildings. It is guilty of trying to cover its ass when it realized the destruction was real-world. According to an in-depth report by retired theologian Dr. David Ray Griffin, who also wrote “The New Pearl Harbor” and “The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions," both General Richard Myers, then acting chair of the Joint Chiefs, and Mike Snyder, NORAD spokesman, reported that "no military jets were sent up until after the strike on the Pentagon."

Griffin says when this admission started raising eyebrows, a second story appeared on Sept. 14 that "contrary to early reports, jets were scrambled while the attacks were underway, but they arrived too late to prevent them." Four days later, NORAD released a timeline so jumbled it failed to pass muster in any venue. Finally, unable to get out of the hole, both the FAA and NORAD stopped digging. The FAA destroyed the tapes of activity that morning, to include conversations between the hijacked planes and air traffic control personnel, said, "oopsie, sorry about that," then just shut up and took its licks.

Two -- Nothing reveals the truth of 9-11 as clearly as the in-your-face controlled demolition of the World Trade Center's twin towers and building 7. They all fell down. According to a NYC fireman on the scene, they fell -- "just like that -- boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom" -- In 10 seconds flat. Well, that's not exactly true, because it took the 47-story No. 7 only 6.6 seconds to pancake into its own footprints. But if ever there was a classic case of "don't believe your lying eyes," it is the deliberate destruction of these three WTC buildings.

Nothing reveals the truth as clearly as the breathless, on-the-scene initial reaction by network and cable TV -- "There are explosions going off everywhere!" ... "We just heard another huge explosion!" ..."A huge explosion, raining debris on all of us -- we need to get out of here!" ... "This almost looks like a -- a controlled demolition." CNN's Pentagon correspondent, Jamie McEntyre, blurted this "Breaking News" item -- "There's no evidence that a plane crashed into the Pentagon or anywhere near it and in fact, the only pieces left were small enough that you could pick them up in your hands --and no large sections -- tail sections, fuselage sections..."

By the next morning, the media monkeys had come to their senses and were dutifully droning administration talking points while ominously reminding Americans that questioning what happened was nothing short of criticism of the president, or how unpatriotic can we be at a time when we all need to hang together. However, defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld apparently agreed with McEntyre and conspiracy theorists when he told Parade Magazine on Oct. 13, "Here we're talking about plastic knives, and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building, and similar (inaudible) that damaged the WTC."

Nothing reveals the truth more clearly than the implosion of No. 7, which was not hit by a plane. WTC owner Larry Silverstein publicly acknowledged that they "pulled" No. 7 and, although he made out like a bandit on the whole 9-11 holocaust, he did not explain nor did the media ask him when the explosives needed to "pull" the 47 stories were put in place. Interestingly, the 9-11 Commission did not think it important enough to question either Silverstein or the fire department about the No. 7 collapse, nor did it even mention the building in its bogus report.

Three -- The truth is what it is. As Bernie says, it ain't never something else. A search for the truth about 9-11 is much easier if all that cannot be true is tossed out. Why waste time considering the impossible?

For example, if you're reading Michael Chertoff's massive May 2002 FEMA investigation into 9-11, "World Trade Center Building Performance Study," you need go no further into its 262 pages than this conclusion -- "...as each aircraft impacted a building, jet fuel on board ignited. Part of this fuel immediately burned off in the large fireballs that erupted at the impact floors. Remaining fuel flowed across the floors and down elevator and utility shafts, igniting intense fires throughout upper portions of the buildings. As these fires spread, they further weakened the steel-framed structures, eventually leading to total collapse."

Toss it, as well as the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) report, which uses its 292 pages to "describe how the aircraft impacts and subsequent fires led to the collapses (sic) of the towers after terrorists flew jet fuel laden commercial airliners into the buildings..."

While you're at it, you can trash the March 2005 Popular Mechanics hit piece -- a regurgitation of FEMA's fantastical explanation, to wit --"Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction."

And the Pentagon? PM had that all figured out too. It quotes Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University as shrugging aside the nagging conspiracy that a Boeing 757 did not hit the Pentagon, ". . .one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns," Sozen said. "What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass."

I could be wrong, but I doubt even the zany, fun-loving Rumsfeld would try to run THAT one by us. The PM piece is little more than an attack on those who question the events of that dreadful morning, and is replete with unattributed "facts." It is the work of Michael Chertoff's cousin, 25-year-old Benjamin Chertoff, who was given free reign after a shock-and-awe coup at the magazine wherein PM editor-in-chief Joe Oldham was given 90 minutes to clean out his desk. Other staff members, including the creative director, were also fired.

The 9-11 Commission Report should be discarded as well. And set afire. It differs from the above attempts to cover up a government's attack on its own people only in length and breadth. Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton entered into a "contract" with the American people; they swore to get to the bottom of the tragedy; inventory its causes and put the blame where it rightfully belonged. They betrayed us. And they charged us only ten bucks a copy.

In his hard-hitting article in Harper's Magazine, Benjamin DeMott writes that the Report is "a shrewdly conceived and sustained equity-of-blame argument that becomes the fulcrum of the entire document and has a single principle at its center -- any blame that might be apportioned to the behavior of the sitting administration is easily counterbalanced by the behavior of preceding authorities -- and by historical 'fact' as interpretated in accordance with current presidential and commissarial need."

Bush made clear that his "presidential need" was to not have a Commission blaming him for what happened. When an investigation was forced on him, Bush undercut it, underfunded it and agreed to meet with Commission members only in the Oval Office, only if Dick Cheney was there, only if he was not under oath, only if his remarks were not recorded and only if no notes were taken. DeMott tells us that the more than 600-page document was nothing more than "a weapon in a major domestic conflict: the war on incisive, sometimes rudely disruptive thought -- thought that distinguishes the democratic citizen from the idolatrous fool, the sucker, the clueless consumer, the ad person's delight."

Rather than tell the people the truth about 9-11, Kean and Hamilton used their Report as a PSYOPS weapon against them. Bill Clinton is to blame. With the FAA riding shotgun. Shut up and move on.

Homework assignment

After eliminating the impossible, we are left with ghastly images of death and suffering. With brutal malice aforethought, on 9-11 this administration murdered 2,823 human beings. Only 1,102 victims have been identified, although 19,500 body parts were "collected." More than 100 Americans were pulverized in the explosions, their remains mingling with tons and tons of cement into fine dust, and just disappeared into the air, perhaps into the lungs of those working feverishly at Ground Zero to save them. Each of us with any connection to reality knows that the only explanation for 9-11 is that the entire holocaust was a deliberately planned, orchestrated, controlled demolition of our way of life.

If you want to know what happened on 9-11, watch Korey Rove, Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas' critical film, "Loose Change, 2nd Edition." Surely the Truth is worth 1 hour, 21 minutes and 50 seconds of our lives..

If you want to know why 9-11 happened, read the Project for the New American Century (PNAC)2000 report, Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century," which calls for a "new Pearl Harbor" to establish US military preeminence throughout the world as well as unending war to seize and control the world's resources. It's only 90 pages, and should take even less than 1 hour, 21 minutes and 50 seconds to peruse.

If you want to know the truth about the attack on this country, watch and read the above as if your life depended upon it. Because it does.

We have the crime. We have the criminals. The time has come to indict them. Try them. Convict them. Punish them. Then, and only then, can we move on.

That's what I think.

source
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Zippo
 
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Fri 31 Mar, 2006 04:14 pm
Venezuelan Government To Launch International 9/11 Investigation

31.03.2006

Billionaire philanthropist Jimmy Walter and WTC survivor William Rodriguez this week embarked on a groundbreaking trip to Caracas Venezuela in which they met with with the President of the Assembly and will soon meet with Venezuelan President himself Hugo Chavez in anticipation of an official Venezuelan government investigation into 9/11.

Rodriguez was the last survivor pulled from the rubble of the north tower of the WTC, and was responsible for all stairwells within the tower. Rodriguez represented family members of 9/11 victims and testified to the 9/11 Commission that bombs were in the north tower but his statements were completely omitted from the official record.

Jimmy Walter has been at the forefront of a world tour to raise awareness about 9/11 and has still yet to receive any response to his million dollar challenge in which he offers a $1 million reward for proof that the trade towers' steel structure was broken apart without explosives.

Rodriguez said that he was told an FBI agent had asked the hotel him and Walter were staying in turn over a list of names of residents. Upon hearing this, the National Assembly provided armed military protection for the entirety of the trip. In addition, Walters said that CIA agents were seen surveilling the beach on which he and Rodriguez had handed out free DVD's a day earlier.

Contiuned...

So who's the clown again ? Very Happy
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Amigo
 
  1  
Fri 31 Mar, 2006 04:18 pm
Zippo wrote:
old europe
Quote:
You're trying to have it both ways. Again.

"The lower levels should have withstood the force at least 1 second per level".


You are a liar!

I did not use that quote, why are to trying to mislead people?
Why don't you answer my questions ?, you can't keep running away from the hard questions and only use a straw man argument Smile

You have failed to answer any of my questions.

1. Why did the toppling 35 floor block pulverize in to fine concrete dust ?

2. Does your theory apply to WTC7 and North Tower ? Smile

3. Why can't you see an explosion in any of the photos posted ?

4. Do you seriously believe that an 'undamaged passport' could have been found many block away. ?
YEA! and what about the black boxes? (I understand this is circumstantial)
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Fri 31 Mar, 2006 04:19 pm
Zippo wrote:
...

4. Do you seriously believe that an 'undamaged passport' could have been found many block away. ?


I don't think you are applying yourself, Zippo.

Are you seriously trying to get us to believe that while you are capable of imagining that fantastic -- if not impossible -- scenarios are possible, you cannot come up with a satisfactory explanation for an "undamaged passport" being found blocks away?

If the "conspiracy theorists" community were to tackle this question of yours, they would not find it a conundrum, and would be able to develop a number of alternative theories on it. I think if you apply yourself you can come up with an explanation just crazy enough for you to believe.
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Zippo
 
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Fri 31 Mar, 2006 04:38 pm
Tico, WTF ? ? is that an answer or an insult or what ?,are you drunk ?

------

The Hidden Hand of the CIA, 911, and Popular Mechanics

By Christopher Bollyn
American Free Press
March 19, 2005
Instructive fast peek at players, politics and patterns behind PM's recent 9/11 disinfo. - Ed.
A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece about 9/11. Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind the scene is her obscure husband, a veteran propaganda expert and former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A.

The Reichstag fire, a key event in German history, and the steps that followed en suite leading to the Nazi dictatorship of Adolf Hitler, provide remarkable precedents for what occurred in the United States on 9/11 and since.

source

It's all happening hey ? Smile
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Ticomaya
 
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Fri 31 Mar, 2006 04:41 pm
Zippo wrote:
Tico, WTF ? ? is that an answer or an insult or what ?,are you drunk ?


I'm not sure. You choose.
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Zippo
 
  1  
Fri 31 Mar, 2006 04:52 pm
Quote:
I'm not sure. You choose


OK let me make it real easy.

Just answer yes or no

Do you believe that the 'un-damaged passport' was real/original ?

The one that flew out from the hi-jacked plane landed afew blocks away Very Happy
Which was probably in the terrorists pocket or luggage. Very Happy
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Fri 31 Mar, 2006 05:17 pm
Zippo wrote:
Quote:
I'm not sure. You choose


OK let me make it real easy.

Just answer yes or no

Do you believe that the 'un-damaged passport' was real/original ?


I've no reason to think it's not real, so that's a "yes."

Quote:
The one that flew out from the hi-jacked plane landed afew blocks away Very Happy


I've seen video taken on the streets of Manhattan on 9/11/01, as have you. We see dust clouds from the collapsing buildings chasing New Yorkers for many, many blocks from Ground Zero. What was pushing that dust? That debris from the buildings landed "undamaged" blocks away comes as no surprise to me. These buildings had 100 stories. Did you think all of the debris was going to land in a 1 block radius? Why are you having trouble believing the passport was "real/original" based on the location it was found?

Some firefighters survived the collapse huddled in the stairwells of one of the towers. Do you think those firefighters actually did survive with all those stories above crashing down on them, or do you think they were planted? I mean, how do you explain their relatively undamaged condition?

Quote:
Which was probably in the terrorists pocket or luggage. Very Happy


I don't know where the terrorist kept his passport. Do you?


You certainly do have a talent for inductive reasoning.
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mysteryman
 
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Sat 1 Apr, 2006 12:21 am
Zippo wrote:
Venezuelan Government To Launch International 9/11 Investigation

31.03.2006

Billionaire philanthropist Jimmy Walter and WTC survivor William Rodriguez this week embarked on a groundbreaking trip to Caracas Venezuela in which they met with with the President of the Assembly and will soon meet with Venezuelan President himself Hugo Chavez in anticipation of an official Venezuelan government investigation into 9/11.

Rodriguez was the last survivor pulled from the rubble of the north tower of the WTC, and was responsible for all stairwells within the tower. Rodriguez represented family members of 9/11 victims and testified to the 9/11 Commission that bombs were in the north tower but his statements were completely omitted from the official record.

Jimmy Walter has been at the forefront of a world tour to raise awareness about 9/11 and has still yet to receive any response to his million dollar challenge in which he offers a $1 million reward for proof that the trade towers' steel structure was broken apart without explosives.

Rodriguez said that he was told an FBI agent had asked the hotel him and Walter were staying in turn over a list of names of residents. Upon hearing this, the National Assembly provided armed military protection for the entirety of the trip. In addition, Walters said that CIA agents were seen surveilling the beach on which he and Rodriguez had handed out free DVD's a day earlier.

Contiuned...

So who's the clown again ? Very Happy


Exactly what is this investigation expected to accomplish?
How are they going to get witnesses,the evidence that the govt has,or any evidence that has not been released to the public?
Do they expect their results to be legally binding?

Now,how do you identify a CIA agent?
Do they wear special clothes that have CIA written on them?
Do they have a secret handshake they used while watching the beach?
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Foxfyre
 
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Sat 1 Apr, 2006 11:13 am
Tico writes
Quote:
I've seen video taken on the streets of Manhattan on 9/11/01, as have you. We see dust clouds from the collapsing buildings chasing New Yorkers for many, many blocks from Ground Zero. What was pushing that dust? That debris from the buildings landed "undamaged" blocks away comes as no surprise to me. These buildings had 100 stories. Did you think all of the debris was going to land in a 1 block radius? Why are you having trouble believing the passport was "real/original" based on the location it was found?


I have a friend who works in a building something more than a block from the World Trade Center and his building sustained damage and one of his employees was injured from falling debris. I really doubt he made that up when he wrote us about it.
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old europe
 
  1  
Sun 2 Apr, 2006 09:48 pm
Zippo wrote:
old europe
Quote:
You're trying to have it both ways. Again.

"The lower levels should have withstood the force at least 1 second per level".


You are a liar!

I did not use that quote, why are to trying to mislead people?


Another typical common thing I seem to notice in conspiracy nuts is the tendency to call other people liars and to claim that they are trying to mislead people.

However, I have to maintain that I did not quote you. I just paraphrased what you said earlier.

Here's what you said in an earlier post

Quote:
Following the start of the collapse the upper floors would have had to shatter the steel joints in all 85 or so floors at the lower levels. If this required only one second per floor then the collapse would have required more than a minute. Thus the speed of the collapse is conclusive evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition involving the use of explosives at all levels.


You are saying that the building did collapse too fast. You are implying the lower levels should have withstood the force of the upper levels coming down longer, maybe a second per level or so. So feel free to explain why my paraphrasing,

old europe wrote:
"The lower levels should have withstood the force at least 1 second per level".


is a lie or a gross mistatement of what you said.


And, by the way, here is what you said even before that (emphasis added):

Zippo wrote:
Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered resistance that is thousands of times greater than air. Recall that those lower floors had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years.

Air can't do that.

Can anyone possibly imagine the undamaged lower floors getting out of the way of the upper floors as gracefully and relatively frictionlessly as air would? Can anyone possibly imagine the undamaged lower floors slowing the fall of the upper floors less than would, say, a parachute?

It is beyond the scope of the simple, but uncontested, physics in this presentation to tell you how long the collapse should have taken. Would it have taken minutes? Hours? Days? Forever?

Perhaps. But what is certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is that the towers could not have collapsed gravitationally, through intact lower floors, as rapidly as was observed on 9/11.


So, summing this up, the lower floors should have withstood the top section coming down for minutes, hours, or days. Or maybe forever.

And then, a couple of posts later, you completely change your argument, acknowlegde that all of the upper floors came down at the same time, and point us to a source that says

Quote:
It is clear that that the top section itself must be disintegrating. Otherwise the top section would have extended far into parts of the building that are clearly as yet unaffected by the collapse.



So, which one is it?

- The lower floors were built incredibly solid. The towers should have withstood the collapse way longer - seconds, minutes, hours, or maybe days. It must have been a controlled demolition.

Or is it the opposite?

- The lower floor weren't built that solid at all. The top section should have just plowed through them instead of disintegrating upon hitting the lower floors. It must have been a controlled demolition.

You might wish to clarify this before we go on to look at your other questions....
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Zippo
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2006 12:28 pm
old europe

Quote:
So, which one is it?

- The lower floors were built incredibly solid. The towers should have withstood the collapse way longer - seconds, minutes, hours, or maybe days. It must have been a controlled demolition.

Or is it the opposite?

- The lower floor weren't built that solid at all. The top section should have just plowed through them instead of disintegrating upon hitting the lower floors. It must have been a controlled demolition.


I said
Quote:
"Would it have taken minutes? Hours? Days? Forever?"


That was a question...see the [???] Smile

I'll just keep counting your lies...[2]

Keep trying you might get lucky!
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old europe
 
  1  
Mon 3 Apr, 2006 12:39 pm
Zippo wrote:
I said
Quote:
"Would it have taken minutes? Hours? Days? Forever?"


That was a question...see the [???] Smile


One might add: a suggestive question that you said you were unable to answer, but that implied that it should have taken much longer than 10-15 seconds. That's why I said

old europe wrote:
You are implying the lower levels should have withstood the force of the upper levels coming down longer



However, I notice you didn't answer the question, but of course I'm willing to repeat it here. Just let me know when you are okay with it, so that you can come up with an answer, alright? Here we go:

So, which one is it?

- The lower floors were built incredibly solid. The towers might have withstood the collapse way longer - seconds, minutes, hours, or maybe days. It must have been a controlled demolition.

Or is it the opposite?

- The lower floor weren't built that solid at all. The top section should have just plowed through them instead of disintegrating upon hitting the lower floors. It must have been a controlled demolition.
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Zippo
 
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Mon 3 Apr, 2006 12:44 pm
Foxfyre

Quote:
I have a friend who works in a building something more than a block from the World Trade Center and his building sustained damage and one of his employees was injured from falling debris. I really doubt he made that up when he wrote us about it.


Quote:
"The performance of WTC 7 is of significant interest because it appears the collapse was due primarily to fire, rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers." -FEMA: WTC Study, Chp 5 (05/02)


Thanks this proves that FEMA are lying. :wink:

Do you want to see building with real structural damage ?

I'm talking about building 7, so don't even mention plane crashes. Smile

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Oklahoma_City_bombing.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/935000/images/_935720_toppled300.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/elections/syria.lebanon/images/a02.jpg

http://www.msys.ca/wordpress/wp-content/images/bombed_building1.jpg

http://english.epochtimes.com/news_images/2004-11-17-taiqual.jpg

I REALLY think you should read this page...FEMA Debunked!!. It goes into much more detail than I wish to right now.
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Zippo
 
  1  
Mon 3 Apr, 2006 12:55 pm
Asking you a question = Implying ? Smile

Quote:
The lower floor weren't built that solid at all. The top section should have just plowed through them instead of disintegrating upon hitting the lower floors. It must have been a controlled demolition.


Note: the top section was toppling. Smile
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