Barack Obama, a man of tact and diplomacy.

Lemme get this straight. Tico and Brandon (one of whom says he likes Obama, but this has him really put off) are taking Obama to task? And the incident in question is Obama making a remark that maybe we should give Bush credit for actually awakening to racism and poverty in the US, even though he assigns Karl Rove to head the reconstruction of N.O.?

Are you two guys on frikkin' crack? When do you ever hold Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld and Cheney to this same oh-so-holy standard of rigorous truth-telling? Have you ever noticed that bunch parsing words to make political hay? Did you get your indignant panties all in a bunch if you ever did notice them doing it? And no, I'm not agreeing that Barack Obama lied - not even close. You'd have to be hopelessly ignorant or hopelessly deceitful to try to interpret his point as anything but accurate about Bush and his track record and words about poverty and racism - there isn't any track record! So saying "finally" was exactly apropos.

You nincompoops can't ever see anything that Bush does in a negative light, so spare me all that 'gee-I'wanna-like-that-Obama-but-this-has-gone-too-far' pap!

Whattacrockacrap!!

If you said that "Chrissee finally said the sky can be blue as well", in that hypothetical dialogue, I wouldnt consider you to be LYING, and thats what you're explicitly accusing Obama of. For someone who insists on such precision on others' part, making that accusation is quite the slip. Apparently the difference between paraphrasing and quoting is too difficult to understand here.

Snood tole it like it was. Go, dude.

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If you said that "Chrissee finally said the sky can be blue as well", in that hypothetical dialogue, I wouldnt consider you to be LYING, and thats what you're explicitly accusing Obama of. For someone who insists on such precision on others' part, making that accusation is quite the slip. Apparently the difference between paraphrasing and quoting is too difficult to understand here.

But he's paraphrasing him incorrectly, inserting an element about never realizing these things before, that wasn't present in what Bush actually said. Misrepresenting someone is simply not acceptable.

But he's paraphrasing him incorrectly, inserting an element about never realizing these things before, that wasn't present in what Bush actually said. Misrepresenting someone is simply not acceptable.

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But he's paraphrasing him incorrectly, inserting an element about never realizing these things before, that wasn't present in what Bush actually said. Misrepresenting someone is simply not acceptable.

Who says that Obama is paraphrasing a specific quote from Bush? That has not been established either. Obama, in my view, is not paraphrasing at all. He is reacting to Bush's ACTIONS.

You guys are desperate. Word

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But he's paraphrasing him incorrectly, inserting an element about never realizing these things before, that wasn't present in what Bush actually said. Misrepresenting someone is simply not acceptable.

Who says that Obama is paraphrasing a specific quote from Bush? That has not been established either. Obama, in my view, is not paraphrasing at all. He is reacting to Bush's ACTIONS.

You guys are desperate. Word

You should only state publicly that your political opponent said something stupid or unworthy if he did say it. Too complicated for you?

Brandon falsely calimed that Obama lied. He in glass house should not throw stone.

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But he's paraphrasing him incorrectly, inserting an element about never realizing these things before, that wasn't present in what Bush actually said. Misrepresenting someone is simply not acceptable.

Who says that Obama is paraphrasing a specific quote from Bush? That has not been established either. Obama, in my view, is not paraphrasing at all. He is reacting to Bush's ACTIONS.

You guys are desperate. Word

You should only state publicly that your political opponent said something stupid or unworthy if he did say it. Too complicated for you?

No it is too complicated for YOU. The fact is Bush has finally woken up to the fact there is poverty and racism. Based on the TOTALITY of ALL of his WORDS and ACTIONS. Obama reacted to that fact. As a matter of fact, Obama never said Bush said this or Bush said that, he said "when bush says." "When Bush says" can be in the future, present or past. Like "when the mayor of a city says to evacuate, go." So it could be an anticipation, an accurate one, that Bush will say this.

There was no mischaracterization of Bush's actions. It is obvious to anyone that the interests of the poor have never been a priority for Bush; he certainly has done nothing to help them.

To hear him address the problem is apropos of him finally waking up to the issue and addressing it.

And I agree with Snood; you let Bushco. get away with lies, half-truths, and generalities all the time....

So you maintain that I can alter a person's statement when quoting it to synch up with my evaluation of his practices?

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So you maintain that I can alter a person's statement when quoting it to synch up with my evaluation of his practices?

OMFG? How many times do you have to be told that Obama NEVER said Bush "said" anything, much less quoting him.

This is like talking to a fencepost.

Sen. Barack Obama

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...I think it's important that we don't just assume that George Bush is lying when he says he's finally been awakened to the fact that there is poverty and racism in our midst," said Obama, D-Ill.