Why Do Higher Gas Prices Anger You?

My heart goes out to ya KC! Good god!

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oh well Montana, thats the price we have to pay to drive around here Very Happy

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FreeDuck wrote:

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So,if you want lower prices,then you should support domestic exploration and drilling.
You cant have it both ways.

Sure you can. There is more than one solution to this problem. First, it's not at all evident that drilling in Alaska would bring prices down. Second, if the prices do go down, even temporarily, because of new sources, then all incentive to find a long term solution will disappear. High prices keep the pressure on citizens and legislators and energy producers to find a better solution.

Good point, but between you and I, I would prefer the latest round of increases were a result of a consumption tax, with the procedes applied to those long term solutions, rather than Chevron, the Middle East, etc.

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I can't argue with that, roger.

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Sure you can. There is more than one solution to this problem. First, it's not at all evident that drilling in Alaska would bring prices down. Second, if the prices do go down, even temporarily, because of new sources, then all incentive to find a long term solution will disappear. High prices keep the pressure on citizens and legislators and energy producers to find a better solution.

So,judging by this,you actually support the higher prices?

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Well, you caught me. Yes, I do. I don't like them. I don't like the fact that they're necessary. I don't like the negative affect they have on my budget and on the budget's of people a lot worse off than me. But in the grand scheme of things, I think it is something that had to and has to happen in order for this problem to ever be solved.

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I awoke this morning to a report on the local news about current gas prices and and possible increases of 10 - 15 cents per gallon this week due to hurricane Katrina.

Not a direct quote since I don't have a perfect memory, but I heard something like this:

"The price you pay at the pump is expected to rise again due to much of the nations oil coming from the area affected by hurricane Katrina. An increase of at least 10 to 15 cents per gallon is expected over the next few days. This time last year the average price per gallon was $1.84. Just as with previous reasons given for price increases, it isn't likely to decline even well after the affects of Katrina have passed."

On To Next Story.

Wasn't sure if that last line was caught by many listeners as a "point to ponder," if it was a local tv station statement or just presented as a fact/ part of the news with no implied political meaning. I wish they had expanded on it a bit just to really make the implications clear to those that may not have thought about it.

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Squinny, my husband heard that too.

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A few Amewrican citizens, in partnership with their overseas masters, are bleeding america dry for gas and oil profits. why should they stop? We let 'em get away with it.

wars, Hurricanes, drilling questions, everything is spun to support ever increasing prices. I suspect they have an entire board room full of people whose sole job is to spin any world event into higher gas prices.

It is not for me to judge their souls and how they will spend eternity. Good thing for them,.

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People were lined up at the gas station this morning and I just wanted to shout out the windows "Hey you idiots!!!!" because why wait 20 minutes for gas when you are eventually going to have to pay the higher price anyway? My hubby was a bit remorseful over not getting gas last night and I was like "hey, you are going to have to pay it the next time you fill you tank anyway so what's saving a few cents now?" I hate the oil companies.

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Bella Dea wrote:

Squinny, my husband heard that too.

I posted an article about it a page back.

Gas jumped 15 cents/gallon overnight here.

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You are on the right track and this should be a forum. 30 years ago I worked for Amerada-Hess in New Jersey. I was during the first oil crisis. I wasn't certain that what was going on was legitimate so I did a little investigating and came up with the following information:

The oil companies process crude and mark it up about 700% (7 times the price of a barrel). Before the crisis, oil was $6/barrel. After it, it was as much as $30.

The key here is that the oil companies don't care what it costs for crude, they have a captive audience and just make more money as the price of crude rises. If the government wasn't owned by the oil companies, they would impose windfall profits taxes or at least cap the price at the pump.

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FreeDuck wrote:

Well, you caught me. Yes, I do. I don't like them. I don't like the fact that they're necessary. I don't like the negative affect they have on my budget and on the budget's of people a lot worse off than me. But in the grand scheme of things, I think it is something that had to and has to happen in order for this problem to ever be solved.

Hurray for high oil prices! Think of some of the benefits:

More people will want to buy fuel-efficient or hybrid cars, forcing the car-makers to shift their priorities to these vehicles. Others will look at alternatives to cars, such as bikes, or adopt more efficient transportation options, like car-sharing or car-pooling. More people will switch to public transportation, which will then receive more attention and funding from lawmakers. People will take a second look at their long commutes, and choose housing accordingly. That will curb urban sprawl and revitalize cities and inner-ring suburbs.
So count me in as an enthusiastic supporter of higher gas prices.

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Joe
Joe wrote: "More people will switch to public transportation, which will then receive more attention and funding from lawmakers.

People will take a second look at their long commutes, and choose housing accordingly. That will curb urban sprawl and revitalize cities and inner-ring suburbs."

Joe, elitist people like you really piss me off. While is would be ideal to do all the things you wrote, the vast majority of people don't have the options to do as you suggest.

Only an elitist would have so little idea of the reality of life for most of us to know that buying housing near our jobs is out of reach. The job market is not stable. You may not always work near your home as originally planned. Public transportation does not exist to where many of us work. Get real!

I agree that people should buy high gas milage cars if for no other reason to force the industry to concentrate on them.

As far as bicycling to work, only an elitist would make that demand for everyone. If you are young and in good health, that may be a possibility if you live close to where you work. But what about the old folks, the disabled? What about passengers, especially children. How do they move around? What about biking in rain, snow, etc. Again, you lack the reality of life that is typical of elitists.

BBB

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Easier said for those that live in larger areas. There's still a huge rural population, often poor, that don't have moving, new car, or public transportation as options.

I get your point. I'm just saying...

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My comment was obviously aimed at those suggesting higher prices will force change. I see BBB beat me to it.

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I'm aware that my position on this issue isn't a very compassionate one. But I just can't bring myself to change it. I'd like to think that if we decreased the demand that it would make fuel cheaper for those who really need it. But I don't know how long that would take.

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Re: Joe

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

Joe, elitist people like you really piss me off.

Wow, where the hell did that come from?

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

While is would be ideal to do all the things you wrote, the vast majority of people don't have the options to do as you suggest.

Actually, the majority of Americans live in or near large urban centers, so many of those options are available -- or should be available -- to most Americans.

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

Only an elitist would have so little idea of the reality of life for most of us to know that buying housing near our jobs is out of reach.

Then you should be petitioning your local and state governments for more public transportation.

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

The job market is not stable. You may not always work near your home as originally planned. Public transportation does not exist to where many of us work. Get real!

And that's largely because people have traditionally preferred their cars to public transportation. In an era of higher gas prices, however, people might just decide that their governments should invest in public transportation rather than in new roads, which has, up to now, been the traditional solution to all traffic problems.

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

As far as bicycling to work, only an elitist would make that demand for everyone.

I made no demands whatsoever. Certainly, as someone who hasn't ridden a bike in many years, I would never force anyone to ride a bike to work. Rather, I trust that market forces will encourage some people to choose that form of transportation.

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

If you are young and in good health, that may be a possibility if you live close to where you work. But what about the old folks, the disabled? What about passengers, especially children. How do they move around? What about biking in rain, snow, etc. Again, you lack the reality of life that is typical of elitists.

Perhaps you need to get your meds checked, BBB; you're usually much more lucid and rational.

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Re: Joe

joefromchicago wrote:

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Joe, elitist people like you really piss me off.

Wow, where the hell did that come from?

Deep, heartfelt conviction?

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Joe
That's what happens when you push my buttons, a 76 year old woman who has been disabled since age 36 from an injury. My car is my lifeline to independence. I buy the highest gas mileage car I can drive with my disabilities.

Before I retired and moved from California to New Mexico, I rode to work on my electric scooter because my office was 1/4 miles from my home. But in rain, I had to drive my car.

You have no idea how hard getting around is for some people. That's why I called you elitist. You haven't walked in my shoes.

BBB

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