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to seek a personal audience with President Bush.

Shouldn't that read "to seek a second personal audience with President Bush." ??

Wait...it's the Iconoclast, after all.

LOL. They have, at least...50 subscribers?

Don't look for them to make a correction.

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goodfielder wrote:

That vet could be one of the generation Bush lauds as those who fought WW2. Hard to say but perhaps he fought in that one or Korea. Perhaps Vietnam (time marches on). Anyway it's sad to see the idea of the closed ear. On the other hand it's his right ear so perhaps he's sick of the right wing bullshit

My suspicion is it was surreptitiously put on him by a stealthy anti-war wingnut, and he didn't know it was there.

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Cindy: Terrorists 'freedom fighters'
Sheehan's comment to CBS, others seems to have evaporated in news coverage
Posted: August 23, 2005
10:30 p.m. Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Cindy Sheehan, the so-called Peace Mom seeking a second meeting with President Bush in connection with the Iraq War death of her son, says terrorists killing Americans are "freedom fighters."

She made the remark during her trek earlier this month to Crawford, Texas; but her equating the enemy with freedom fighters has not been highlighted by the mainstream media, despite her telling it directly to a reporter for CBS News.

Sheehan's comments were recorded on video by Veterans for Peace, a group pushing for Bush's impeachment. (Editor's note: The video of Cindy Sheehan is approximately 30 minutes long, and requires several minutes to load, even with a high-speed connection.)

"You know that the president says Iraq is the central front in the war on terrorism, don't you believe that?" asked Mark Knoller of CBS, surrounded by a host of other reporters.

"No, because it's not true," Sheehan replied. "You know Iraq was no threat to the United States of America until we invaded. I mean they're not even a threat to the United States of America. Iraq was not involved in 9-11, Iraq was not a terrorist state. But now that we have decimated the country, the borders are open, freedom fighters from other countries are going in, and they [American troops] have created more terrorism by going to an Islamic country, devastating the country and killing innocent people in that country. The terrorism is growing and people who never thought of being car bombers or suicide bombers are now doing it because they want the United States of America out of their country."

A WorldNetDaily search of CBS News, Google News, and Lexis-Nexis archives found not a single news report mentioning Sheehan's "freedom fighters" remark.

"The question of whether or not we should be in Iraq is not relevant in this discussion," Fred Keller of Clearwater, Fla., told WND. "We're there and have troops in the field under fire and these people are aiding and abetting the enemy."

"What's her problem then?" asked one messageboard poster on FreeRepublic.com. "Her son was killed by a 'freedom fighter.' She should be proud."

Sheehan also called for the immediate withdrawal of all American troops, characterizing the ongoing conflict in Iraq as a "travesty."

"It's a monstrosity," she said. "It was based on lies, and since it was based on lies, why are people still dying every day for lies? That's what they're dying for. And as soon as we get them out of the country, the insurgency will go down. They might have a little bit of trouble at first, but you know every Iraqi tells me, 'We're a civilization that has been around for thousands of years. We can handle our own problems.'"

Sheehan referred to her son, Casey, not as a war hero, but rather a war victim.

"If I was thinking straight, which I wasn't, I never would have allowed a military funeral, and I wouldn't have buried him in his uniform," Sheehan said. "I just basically stayed sitting on my couch, crying and drinking for a week."

Sheehan left Texas last week to care for her 74-year-old mother who had a stroke. She's expected to return soon to Crawford, where anti-war activists/entertainers such as singer Joan Baez and Margot Kidder, best known for her role as Lois Lane in "Superman," have been making headlines.

Kidder, a Canadian who has lived in Montana for 34 years, became a U.S. citizen last week so she could protest the Iraq War without being deported to Canada.

President Bush, meanwhile, is slated to spend two hours tomorrow with families of other slain soldiers.

"Well, I did meet with Cindy Sheehan," Bush said, referring to his meeting with the entire Sheehan family last June at Fort Lewis, Wash. "I strongly support her right to protest. There's a lot of people protesting. And there's a lot of points of view about the Iraq war."

"She expressed her opinion. I disagree with it," he added, noting Sheehan's pullout philosophy. "I think immediate withdrawal from Iraq would be a mistake. I think those who advocate immediate withdrawal from not only Iraq but the Middle East would be - are advocating a policy that would weaken the United States. So I appreciate her right to protest. I understand her anguish. I met with a lot of families. She doesn't represent the view of a lot of the families I have met with. And I'll continue to meet with families."

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Quite a moving entry by Cindy. Thanks for posting it Pdiddie.

When I saw the painting of Casey I knew that had to be hard for her to see.

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Dear Cindy
Clifford D. May

August 25, 2005

Dear Cindy Sheehan:

I know you want to talk to President Bush about the conflict in Iraq, the war in which your son, Specialist Casey Sheehan, was tragically killed. I also know that while the President met with you previously, he is not eager to see you again - not now that you are affiliated with Moveon.org and supported by David Duke and handled by slick public relations professionals.

So let me suggest an alternative: Come visit with me. Our meeting probably won't get much publicity but I can promise you an interesting discussion. I'll invite to join us some of the many Iraqi freedom fighters with whom I've been working for the past several years - many of them women -- as well as democracy and human rights activists from Syria, Iran, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon and other countries.

You say you want to know, "What is the noble cause that my son died for?" They would answer: Your son died fighting a war against an extremist movement intent on destroying free societies and replacing them with racist dictatorships.

The Iraqis will want to tell you what life was like under Saddam Hussein - the mass murders of hundreds of thousands, the women and girls who were gang-raped by Saddam's cronies, the creative forms of torture that were ignored by the "international community."

I know several Baghdadi businessmen whom Saddam suspected of disloyalty. He had their right hands amputated. Want to meet them? The doctors who were forced to perform these amputations are worth chatting with as well.

It's true, as you and others have pointed out, that we did not find Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction. But don't be misled into believing that Saddam never had any. Indeed, he used chemical weapons against the Kurds, slaughtering thousands in villages like Halabja, where mothers laid down in the streets and embraced their children in their final moments. We can show you pictures. We can introduce you to survivors.

Like you, I wish America's intelligence agencies had known more than they did about Saddam's capabilities. But Saddam's intentions were never in doubt.

Cindy, you've been calling for the U.S. to get out of Iraq at a time when our enemies in that country include the most aggressive and lethal branch of al-Qaeda, led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Can you not see that if we were to retreat from Iraq now, it would be a historic defeat for the United States?

And it would be a huge victory for al-Qaeda. Zarqawi would view himself - not without justification - as a giant killer. Recruits would flock to him for the many battles that would, inevitably, follow. We could not expect to do better in those battles than we did in Iraq.

We will never be able to make ourselves inoffensive to the racist death cults that have declared war on us. When these barbarians kill brave Americans like Casey Sheehan we can't run and hide. Or rather we can - but that only invites the terrorists to hit us again. For years we didn't understand that. The consequence was Sept. 11, 2001.

Remember: We fled from Somalia in 1993. We left Saddam in power after the first Gulf War in 1991. We did nothing much after the Hezbollah bombing of our Marine barracks in 1983. Our response to the taking of American hostages in Tehran in 1979 was toothless.

In each of these cases - and too many others - we demonstrated to our enemies that there would be no penalty for humiliating and even slaughtering Americans. In each of these cases Osama bin Laden saw evidence that Americans are irresolute and weak; that America's military - for all its sophistication and technology - would prove no match for determined hostage-takers, decapitators and suicide bombers.

One more thing: Your slogan has been "America out of Iraq!" and also "Israel out of Palestine!" I wonder if you understand that you are calling for the ethnic cleansing of Jews from their ancient homeland. I wonder if you understand that more than half of all Israelis fled from places like Tehran, Cairo and Tripoli - and they are not welcome to return. I wonder if you understand that there is no way for Israelis to get "out of Palestine" that does not include genocide.

If you and your supporters are not, in fact, arguing for another Holocaust, would you be so good as to clarify your remarks?

Again, Cindy, I hope we can discuss all of this and more in my office with my friends -fighters for freedom who count on the support of freedom-loving Americans. Will you join us for lunch? Tuna or turkey?

Source

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"Your son died fighting a war against an extremist movement intent on destroying free societies and replacing them with racist dictatorships. "

Is that the New GOP Reason for invading Iraq?

Yeah, that's the ticket. Saddam was operating an extremist movement to destroy free societies and install racist dictators. Rolling Eyes

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If I were Mr. May, I'd have also asked Mrs. Sheehan to please respect the wishes of the father who has had to remove the cross with his son's name on it from "Camp Casey" four times.

He has said she does not speak for him. He doesn't want a cross with his son's name on it there.

Mrs. Sheehan, please respect this father's wishes.

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CINDY SHEEHAN
In the years before April 4, Cindy Sheehan's life revolved around her family and a series of full-time jobs, including one as a youth minister at a Vacaville church. Three months after Casey's death, Cindy Sheehan, 47, became a full-time antiwar activist. She travels around the country to speak, letting others know there are military families who believe the Iraq war was a mistake.

The group Sheehan founded in January, Gold Star Families for Peace, has members across the United States. Sheehan is its best-known face because of her many appearances at demonstrations and because of TV ads broadcast during last year's presidential campaign.

In one ad, Sheehan spoke directly to President Bush, saying about Casey, "He died in his best friend's arms in Iraq. I imagined it would hurt if one of my kids was killed, but I never thought it would hurt this bad. Especially someone so honest and brave as Casey, my son, when you haven't been honest with us, Mr. Bush. When you and your advisers rushed us into this war. How do you think we felt when we heard the Senate report that said there was no link between Iraq and 9/11?"

Sheehan cried in the ad, just as she cries today when she speaks about her elder son. She takes his picture wherever she goes. She carried it to Washington in January when she tried to meet with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Security guards prevented her and other members of Gold Star Families for Peace from entering the doors of the Pentagon.

She met Bush once, during his visit to Fort Lewis, Wash. She says she tried to show the president photos of Casey, but he wouldn't look at them. She says she asked him, "Mr. President, what did my son die for?" and he said, "I believe every person deserves to be free."

She says Casey's death is "compelling me to fight for peace. ... This is what gets me out of bed in the morning -- that and my other three kids."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/20/INGIGBNC46129.DTL

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PAT SHEEHAN
Casey's dad is a sales representative whose territory is Northern California and Northern Nevada. Pat Sheehan, 51, says his son's death changed the way he deals with people. Before April 4, Pat Sheehan would never talk to clients about issues like Iraq.

"Before, I didn't ever bring politics into the equation during my work," he says. "I learned early on not to discuss politics or religion with business associates, but I've become more outspoken and a little more stubborn about the way I feel, even though it's important to be professional in my business. I think it's important to let people know the truth. I'm still very cautious, but I'm quicker to speak out than I was before."

Pat couldn't bear having Casey's things at home, so he rented a storage locker. Visiting it, as he did recently to retrieve Casey's uniform, is exceptionally difficult for him.

To help him cope with his loss, Pat Sheehan bought a 1969 VW Bug convertible last month. He says working on the car takes his mind off Casey's death and the political issues he is focused on. "Andy and I work on it together," says Pat. "Casey used to help me a bit with other cars."

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CARLY SHEEHAN
Carly, 24, works as a waitress at a local restaurant and goes to Solano Community College. She wrote a poem about her brother's death:

Have you ever heard the sound of a mother screaming for her son?

The torrential rains of a mother's weeping will never be done.

They call him a hero, you should be glad that he's one,

but have you ever heard the sound of a mother screaming for her son?

Have you ever heard the sound of a father holding back his cries?

He must be brave because his boy died for another man's lies.

The only grief he allows himself are long, deep sighs.

Have you ever heard the sound of a father holding back his cries?

Have you ever heard the sound of taps played at your brother's grave?

They say that he died so that the flag will continue to wave,

but I believe he died because they had oil to save.

Have you ever heard the sound of taps played at your brother's grave?

Have you ever heard the sound of a nation being rocked to sleep?

The leaders want to keep you numb so the pain won't be so deep,

but if we the people let them continue, another mother will weep.

Have you ever heard the sound of a nation being rocked to sleep?

She says the pain of Casey's death has eased a bit in the past few months, but "Every once in a while, I'll just be doing normal things and, all of a sudden, I feel like I get smacked in the face or punched in the gut. I'll think, 'Oh my God, my brother is dead.' It's hard."

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JustWonders wrote:

LOL. They have, at least...50 subscribers?

You just can't count above 50, can you? Laughing

Sweetie, you have got to somehow figure out that there are higher numbers in the universe.

And something besides this giggling anke-biting would be welcome, also. You just can't seem to fnd anything to post but a half-baked, under-counted ridicule of the source, and that's been pretty ineffective.

Let's move on, shall we?

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squinney wrote:

Quite a moving entry by Cindy. Thanks for posting it Pdiddie.

You're welcome, and I hope you and yours see better days ahead as well.

Here's something else:

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People of decency can disagree with Sheehan on everything. But people of decency cannot say what they say about her while considering that her son is dead. I think many people, including some good and decent people, have acted indecently in this matter. They need to consider what they have done and what they are doing.

It is certainly fair to disagree forcefully with Cindy Sheehan's views on the war, and whether her son's death was for a necessary and/or worthy cause. I can't imagine anyone could have a problem with that. But unforgivable things have been written and said. And that stain will not wash away unless good folks on the Right admit that the attacks on Cindy Sheehan's character were horribly wrong.

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You know it really is not all about the lunatic lefty fringe being against the war. Some veterans from Iraq are speaking out against this war as well.

http://www.ivaw.net/index.php?id=1

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PDiddie wrote:

And something besides this giggling anke-biting would be welcome, also. You just can't seem to fnd anything to post but a half-baked, under-counted ridicule of the source, and that's been pretty ineffective.

Another personal attack on JW? Quite common around here these days, isn't it? Keep it up, JW. You know you're getting to them when all they have are these juvenile personal attacks.

And you're one to talk, PD. How many times have your posts lately been nothing more than cartoons or ersatz photos employing grade-school humor designed to appeal to your knuckle-dragging fans and nothing else? It goes without saying that you can improve upon those.

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Ticomaya wrote:

How many times have your posts lately been nothing more than cartoons or ersatz photos employing grade-school humor designed to appeal to your fans and nothing else? It goes without saying that you can improve upon those.

But it's not getting to you at all, is it?

Cool

http://www.buckfush.com/images/bush_Ignores_Cindy_Sheehan.jpg

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Ticomaya wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
What's not to get?

i was kidding with you, dude. your intent was quite clear. i take it knowing that you've claimed all protesters are idiots.

but somehow, you seem to reserve your contempt all up for those you consider liberal.

i think i've asked you before about all of the protesters at terry schiavo's hospice, and don't recall you ever answering it.

i don't want to divert the thread getting into schiavo again, just pointing out that you don't appear to be even handed in your condemnation of protesters.

or to have responded to any other part of my post either....

Of course I'm not. Why on earth would you expect me to NOT only condemn the libbies? Did you forget I'm a conservative?

I don't recall the post you are referring to, and probably didn't see it. I think the Schiavo matter became a circus, and hereby condemn both sides of the equation. They're all idiots.

yeah, i do kinda forget you're a conservative sometimes. must be the pink floyd thing.

i sometimes suspect that were we to take you to a floyd show, spark up and get ya all kicked back, ya might be a little more liberal than you seem, and possibly more than even you know.

afterall, pink floyd's danger is that they are a gateway band; indulging in what appears to be harmless, just because other people are doing it, can lead to a more serious addiction to liberal thought.

soon tico would be showing up for work in a prism tee shirt and k-swiss. tradin' in the cuban for the humboldt. suggesting to clients that there may be some grounds for referring their case to the aclu. replacing the gas guzzler with a hybrid. pondering just how similar people are instead of how wrong they are. and worse of all, admitting, in an explosion of personal catharsis, that not only does vinyl sound better, but that patchouli scented girls in peasant skirts are really, really hot.

yep, as harmless as it seems, even a single indulgence can lead to harder things like Hawkwind, Kassabian and the bacchanalia of the Renaissance Fair....

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PDiddie wrote:

But it's not getting to you at all, is it?

Getting to me, no ... primarily since I just scroll by them, wondering if you realize how stupid they really are. But before you chastize anyone else for their posts, you best take a long hard look at yourself.

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DTOM:

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Ticomaya wrote:

PDiddie wrote:
But it's not getting to you at all, is it?

Getting to me, no ... primarily since I just scroll by them, wondering if you realize how stupid they really are. But before you chastize anyone else for their posts, you best take a long hard look at yourself.

Aren't we all scrolling...? I don't think your "intended audience" even reads them.

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