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SUPPORT Cindy and OUR TROOPS! Countrywide Vigils Tonight

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 10:18 am
How clever you are for not linking directly to the images, PD. That way JW won't be able to sneakily trackback the image sources to get some actual numbers. She won't do that to you twice, huh?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 10:23 am
Ticomaya wrote:
She won't do that to you twice, huh?


I hope not, but too much time on one's hands and an unhealthy obsession with my postings can overcome a lot.

And why are you stalking my posts now?

Really, I think you conservatives have all lost your senses lately.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 10:31 am
Odd you consider someone checking your sources to be stalking. Were that the case, I'm stalked on a regular basis by many liberals on this forum.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 10:42 am
I guess I'm a pdid stalker.

Thanks for the info on Salt Lake City, pdid. I wouldn't have expected an event like that in Utah.

Some interesting articles out there on that get-together. Worth the Google effort.

Quote:
Protesters make appeal to patriotism in opposing war

A confrontation in front of the Salt Palace Convention Center Monday between pro-Bush veterans and war protesters started out with jeers and competing chants, only to end with both groups singing "God Bless America."

The incident, in the conservative bastion of Utah, supported activists' claim that a new and stronger anti-Iraq war movement has begun. This peace movement has made patriotism, flag-waving and support for the troops part of its rhetoric.

Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson, who called for demonstrations against President Bush when he visited the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention, picked up the theme, both in his welcoming speech to the veterans and to peace activists two blocks away in Pioneer Park.

"We can debate, as we should in a free country, the decisions of our political leaders," Anderson told the VFW conventioneers, many who booed him. "But we must always support without wavering, and be grateful toward, our men and women in the armed forces."

After that, Anderson's comments received nothing but cheers, even as he defended his right to protest.

At the peace rally, Anderson told about 2,000 activists, "We are grateful for what [veterans] have sacrificed for our country and our freedom."

But, "Our nation was lied into war," he said.

"You are true patriots for being here today," he said, referring to the criticism of his call for protests of the president's visit.

Activists were overjoyed at the turnout in Pioneer Park, around the convention center and along the president's motorcade route. It was the largest Utah demonstration against the war since an estimated 2,500 gathered at the Capitol before the Iraq invasion.

"This is a turning point for our nation - here today in Salt Lake City," Anderson said.

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trib link
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 10:45 am
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_234185116.html

Quote:
One of the event's organizers, Aaron Davis with a group called Veterans for Peace, said he filed a permit for a gathering of 1,000 people. Thirty minutes into the three-hour event Monday, he said he knew there would be that many and more.

``Not only is our message today support our troops and bring them home now, but treat them right when you bring them home,'' said Davis, who said he served as a Marine from 1972 to 1976.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 10:51 am
2000? That's pretty near the whole Democratic party's representation in Utah, isn't it? They really mobilized.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 10:54 am
wash post

Quote:
Bush's quickly scheduled appearance came against a backdrop of antiwar protests that have sprung up during his three-day visit to Utah and Idaho, two politically Republican states. The president's sojourn from Texas suggested the protests threaten to bracket his appearances in ways that could complicate the White House's ability to argue for the Iraq policy and maintain support for it.

While the original demonstration continues outside Bush's ranch near Crawford, Tex., without Sheehan -- who returned to California to look after her mother -- figures from the Crawford protest traveled to Salt Lake City on Monday to speak to 2,000 antiwar protesters who had gathered near the convention center where the president was addressing military veterans. Among the demonstrators was Celeste Zappala, whose son, Sgt. Sherwood Baker, was killed last year.

Later Monday, 200 people turned up for a protest in Donnelly, a town of 130 inhabitants a few miles from the Tamarack Resort, where Bush is spending two nights on vacation. Another protest took place here Tuesday. It was organized by the Idaho Peace Coalition and featured a speech by Melanie House, who lost her husband, John D. House, in January.

"President Bush probably breathed a sigh of relief when he landed in Idaho last night," said Laura McCarthy, whose son is in Iraq, as she addressed 100 people at the Boise protest. "But no matter where he goes, he's going to find a Cindy Sheehan in every community across the United States. The name is going to be different, but the message is going to be the same."



1, 100, 200, 2000

dunno
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 10:57 am
I would have guessed it was more than the number of Democrats in Utah, Tico.

The Veterans for Peace have been having small demonstrations for years. We've got a couple of posters who've been involved in setting them up since the beginning. Interesting to see others involved.

Good to see people looking beyond the U.S. MSM.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:03 am
ehBeth wrote:
I would have guessed it was more than the number of Democrats in Utah, Tico.


Ahh. I hadn't considered the possibility that moveon had flown them in. Good point.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 12:56 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
I would have guessed it was more than the number of Democrats in Utah, Tico.


Ahh. I hadn't considered the possibility that moveon had flown them in. Good point.


Laughing

it must really be irksome that those damn, smelly hippies just refuse to go away and be quiet, huh.

if they were real americans, they'd keep their thoughts to themselves.

the right to free speech doesn't stop at the end of your driveway.

it's amazing to me dude. the right keeps parrotting the morphed version of the reason for invading iraq, to give freedom and democracy to the iraqis. (wmd ?? what are you talking about ? wmd, what wmd??)

but the right also gets so bothered when someone who disagrees with them exercises that freedom.

i may think it's irresponsible to bail out of iraq without at least trying to leave it in halfway decent shape, but it's reprehensible to say that we are spreading freedom, liberty and democracy when we don't seem willing to practice it well at home.

this isn't zeroed in on you specifically, by the way. but your comment brought back to mind the contempt that a lot of right wingers have for anyone who doesn't fit in their neat little box.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 01:03 pm
I know it couldn't have been addressed to me specifically, since I've said nothing at any time that could be construed as suggesting they can't put the drugs down for a bit and take their smelly hippy bodies out and protest. Protest is what they do best. Take that away from them and what purpose would they have? They'd be wandering aimlessly about, without any real goals. So, I say .... power to the people.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 01:19 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
I know it couldn't have been addressed to me specifically, since I've said nothing at any time that could be construed as suggesting they can't put the drugs down for a bit and take their smelly hippy bodies out and protest. Protest is what they do best. Take that away from them and what purpose would they have? They'd be wandering aimlessly about, without any real goals. So, I say .... power to the people.


but, what are you really trying to say, tico ? can you be a little clearer in your meaning, por favor ?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:15 pm
Well, PD posted some pictures of some unknown event, I pointed out he didn't link the pictures, whereupon ehBeth cited the article that stated there were 2000 people at the SLC rally, to which I expressed surprise at the mobilization efforts because there aren't very many Democrats in Utah (reddest in the nation), thereupon ehBeth pointed out that's probably more Democrats than there are in the state, at which point I queried whether moveon.org had flown in some protesters from out of state specifically for the rally in question.

What's not to get?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 06:53 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
What's not to get?


i was kidding with you, dude. your intent was quite clear. i take it knowing that you've claimed all protesters are idiots.

but somehow, you seem to reserve your contempt all up for those you consider liberal.

i think i've asked you before about all of the protesters at terry schiavo's hospice, and don't recall you ever answering it.

i don't want to divert the thread getting into schiavo again, just pointing out that you don't appear to be even handed in your condemnation of protesters.

or to have responded to any other part of my post either....
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 08:57 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
What's not to get?


i was kidding with you, dude. your intent was quite clear. i take it knowing that you've claimed all protesters are idiots.

but somehow, you seem to reserve your contempt all up for those you consider liberal.

i think i've asked you before about all of the protesters at terry schiavo's hospice, and don't recall you ever answering it.

i don't want to divert the thread getting into schiavo again, just pointing out that you don't appear to be even handed in your condemnation of protesters.

or to have responded to any other part of my post either....


Of course I'm not. Why on earth would you expect me to NOT only condemn the libbies? Did you forget I'm a conservative?

I don't recall the post you are referring to, and probably didn't see it. I think the Schiavo matter became a circus, and hereby condemn both sides of the equation. They're all idiots.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 09:59 pm
http://198.65.14.85/Art/NewsArt/cindy04/03cindylmain.jpg

http://198.65.14.85/Art/NewsArt/cindy04/03camp1.jpg

After a brief rest in a cool trailer, Sheehan emerged and walked into the pavilion area. While hugging some children and saying more hellos, she spotted the giant mural of her son, Casey, hanging at one side of the tent. Immediately she began to weep. Her weeping soon turned to sobbing as she was joined and supported by friends and other soldiers' mothers.

http://198.65.14.85/Art/NewsArt/cindy04/03cindyphoto.jpg

The Lone Star Iconoclast
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 04:17 am
Thanks for posting those, Pdiddie.

I love this veteran Bush spoke to the other day:

http://www.wiseass.org/images/bsprotect.jpg



Anyone interested can now download their own Bullshit Deflectors.

Print And Snip HERE
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 06:25 am
sqinney, don't you know that veteran has to protest or risk wondering aimlessly about?

I've been away and cut off from computers for a week and I see not much has changed. I imagine if a year passed I could say the same. Yet catching up was about six on my list of things to do once I got home. As they say, go figure.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 06:42 am
That vet could be one of the generation Bush lauds as those who fought WW2. Hard to say but perhaps he fought in that one or Korea. Perhaps Vietnam (time marches on). Anyway it's sad to see the idea of the closed ear. On the other hand it's his right ear so perhaps he's sick of the right wing bullshit Very Happy

I was thinking of Bush's continual reference to the WW2 veterans the other day and I remembered reading H.E.Bates "The Greatest People in the World" which was a piece he wrote in 1942. Stunning short story. Worth a read if you can get it. The twist is terrific.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 07:55 am
Cindy Sheehan's diary:

I got to Camp Casey and I arrived with a mom whose son, John, was killed on January 26, 2005, and his wife and baby, who never met his dad. We arrived in Waco at about 4:30 to the local press. The White House Press Corps was still with the president.

When I arrived at Camp Casey II this afternoon I was amazed at what has changed since I was gone. Now, we have a huge tent to get out of the sun; caterers; an orientation tent; a medic tent (with medics); a chapel, etc.

The most emotional thing for me though was walking through the main tent and seeing the huge painting on canvas of Casey. Many things hit me all at once: That this huge movement began because of Casey's sacrifice; thousands, if not millions of people know about Casey and how he lived his life and the wrongful way in which he was killed; but the thing that hit me the hardest was how much I miss him. I miss him more everyday. It seems the void in my life grows as time goes on and I realize I am never going to see him again or hear his voice. In addition to all this, the portrait is so beautiful and moving and it captures Casey's spirit so well. I sobbed and sobbed. I was surrounded by photographers, I looked around until I finally found a friendly face, then the news people crushed in on me and I couldn't breathe. I didn't mean to have such a dramatic re-entrance to Camp Casey, but the huge portrait of Casey really surprised me.

I can take all of the right wing attacks on me. I have been lied about and to before. Their attacks just show how much I am getting to them and how little truth they have to tell. What really hurts me the most is when people say that I am dishonoring Casey by my protest in Crawford. By wanting our troops to come home alive and well, that I am somehow not supporting them.

So, after Joan Baez gave us a great concert tonight, I got up and I talked about Casey. About the sweet boy who grew up to be a remarkable young man. Casey was not always a brave, big soldier man. He was my sweet, sweet baby once. I told the people at the Camp named after him, that when he was about 2 years old, he would come up behind me and throw his arms around my legs, kiss me on the butt and say: "I wuv you mama." I also talked about the loving big brother and wonderful, nearly perfect son. Casey was a regular guy who wanted to get married, have a family, be an elementary school teacher, and a Deacon in the Catholic Church. He wanted to be a Chaplain's assistant in the Army, but was lied to about that also by his recruiter. The last time I talked to him when he called from Kuwait, he was on his way to mass.

For Casey to even join the Army, let alone being killed in battle was the thing that was most uncharacteristic of him. He was a gentle and kind soul who only wanted to help others. What did his untimely and unnecessary death accomplish? It accomplished reinvigorating a peace movement that was sincere, but not very active...or if active, not well covered by the mainstream media.

Joan sang the song Joe Hill. In it Joe Hill says: "I never died." Well, looking out at the faces here at Camp Casey, and knowing that for everyone who is present here, there are thousands of others who support our work, I am convinced that Casey never died, and he never will. When I look into the eyes of the kind and gentle souls who have come here, I see Casey and the faces of all the others killed in George Bush's war for greed and profit. We will never forget them and we will honor them by working for peace.

Joan also sang Swing Low, Sweet Chariot.... "A thousand angels waiting there for me...." I know Casey will be waiting for me when it is my turn, and I know when I finally get there he's going to hug me and say: "Good job, Mom."
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