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SUPPORT Cindy and OUR TROOPS! Countrywide Vigils Tonight

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 09:34 pm
Re: SUPPORT Cindy and OUR TROOPS! Countrywide Vigils Tonigh
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
squinney wrote:
Moveon has a listing of vigils taking place TONIGHT to show support for Cindy Sheehan, our troops and to emphasize that we want our troops brought home from Iraq.

You can find a local vigil by entering your zip code.

We are going, along with about 15 friends.

Will you show your support?

Find a Vigil HERE


"Power To The People!"

"No justice, no peace!"

"Flower Power!"

"Give Peace A Chance!"

"And it's 1-2-3 what are we fight'in for?"

Nostalgia---Ain't it great?!



yeah, finn, nostalgia is great.

a few years back, iron butterfly played the glendale street fair (and with 3 out of 4 of the original members ! ). that was terrific. that was great.

that, was nostalgia...

our current situation, isn't nostalgia..

it's a war instigated by people who never learned that those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.

it may be nostalgic for them , but not for me.


Perhaps; perhaps not.

I write tonight from Traverse City Michigan. Driving "downtown" to a dinner appointment, I passed a group of 4 or 5 non-descript young women holding up amateurish 8 X 11 notebook paper upon which was scribbled, in crayon, "Get Out of Iraq Now!"

How powerful their statement!

It's all about recapturing the spirit of the '60s. The problem is that the '60s have come and gone and 4 or 5 morbidly obeses chicks on Cass Street in Traverse City Michigan are nothing but, at best, an oddity.

It was bullsh**t then and so how pathetic is it now?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 09:43 pm
Chrissee wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Yeah Finn, it is JUST great that we have our soldiers being killed on a daily basis for no justifiable reason. Yeah, it is really great for someone who can sit and post from the safety of his keyboard and joke about it.

You disgust me.


You don't know how deeply you've wounded me Chrissee.


You have to live with yourself. Nothing you do has any effect on me. But it is really sad when people claim to support the troops then joke about them dying.


And how can I live with myself when I know that Chrissee finds me disgusting?

Your replies barely rise above "I know you are, but what am I?" I am supposed to cringe before such a moronic barrage?

Fortunately there are leftist posters far more skilled than you. Otherwise I would find myself fleeing A2K or engaging in a "dirt-bomb" war.

But you go girl! That anti-Veronica Lake sweep tells us so much about your disdain for all things Conservative.

What is your preferred ride on the carousel?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 09:50 pm
Chrissee wrote:
The truth disgusts all of the denialistas. LOL


"Denailistas" So cool a prhaseological coinage.

The truth disgusts said "denialistas" (read folks who do not share a Leftist slant on all things) which is particularly hard to swallow from a post-modernist clowness who, 9 times out of 10, will argue that there is no absolute truth...(unless, of course, if the Leftist "truth").

It is too easy. Where is blatham when you need him?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 10:07 pm
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
But you go girl! That anti-Veronica Lake sweep tells us so much about your disdain for all things Conservative.

What is your preferred ride on the carousel?


Oh Sweet Jesus, Finn's smitten.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 10:23 pm
PDiddie wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
But you go girl! That anti-Veronica Lake sweep tells us so much about your disdain for all things Conservative.

What is your preferred ride on the carousel?


Oh Sweet Jesus, Finn's smitten.


A perfectly nonsensical response, but hey, that's PDiddie...if he can't find some silly jpeg, he'll provide you with a non sequitor.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 05:18 am
For all you know, Finn, those "obese chicks" may have been mothers, wives or sisters of soldiers serving in Iraq.

Hope you had a pleasant dinner.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 08:22 am
I'm sure the liberals are upset at this, just as they are when they think the Bush Administration does anything for marketing purposes.

Quote:
PR Machine Behind Cindy Sheehan?
ABC7 Looks At The Financing Of 'Camp Casey'

KGO By Mark Matthews

With the President back at his Crawford ranch, the anti-war protest right outside his ranch is getting a lot more media attention. ABC7 looks at who is financing the operation and who's providing on-the-ground support.

The camp at Crawford is full of Cindy Sheehan supporters, people from all walks of life. But off to the side are a small group of professionals, skilled in politics and public relations who are marketing her message.

Cindy Sheehan kneels before a cross with her son's name on it, touches his picture, wipes her tears. It's an outpouring of emotion that is part of a scheduled news event organized daily for the television radio and print reporters who crowd in to capture a mother's grief.

Cindy Sheehan: "And I'm never going to see him again, I'm never going to hold him again, I'm never going to hear his voice again."

Sheehan's message hasn't changed since she got here but the support staff interested in getting that message out to the world has grown considerably.

Organizers are set up in this house trailer. Their meetings are closed to reporters.

Leading the group is Fenton Communications employee Michele Mulkey, based in San Francisco. Fenton specializes in public relations for liberal non profits.

Their bills are being paid by True Majority, a non-profit set up by Ben Cohen, of Ben and Jerry's ice cream fame.

Ben Cohen: "People are willing to listen to her and we want to do as much as we can to make her voice heard."

Cohen's liberal group has teamed up with Berkeley-based moveon.org, an anti-Bush group co-founded by Joan Blades.

Earlier this month, MoveOn.org helped organize anti-war vigils in support of Cindy Sheehan. Current Democratic National Party chair Howard Dean's organization, Democracy for America, is also involved. As is the more radical anti-war group Code Pink, organized by San Francisco's Medea Benjamin.

Money donated through these groups and others is helping to pay for Gold Star families whose children have been killed in Iraq to attend anti-Bush protests.

This week, Simi Valley, California Gold Star wife Melanie House flew to Idaho for a protest and then flew to Crawford.

Reporter: "Can you tell us if you're getting help in airfare to come down here?"

Melanie House: "What difference does that make?"

There is real reluctance to talk about whose paying. And the PR machine that's promoting Cindy Sheehan. But not everyone here is completely comfortable with it.

Gold Star mother Karen Meredith went to Crawford from Mt. View. Her son Ken Ballard died last year.

Karen Meredith: "Sometimes things don't feel quite right to me. They don't feel wrong but maybe that's how they do it in the marketing business."

ABC7's Mark Matthew: "You feel you're part of a marketing business?"

Karen Meredith: "Possibly. Yeah I think so."
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 12:39 pm
hey, tico... ya already posted this on another thread, dude.

"spam, spam, spam, spam"...

kinda prefer the lumberjack song, meself. :wink:
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 01:01 pm
Are you going on record to say you consider the practice of posting an article to more than one thread, even if on-topic, to be "spam"?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 01:09 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Are you going on record to say you consider the practice of posting an article to more than one thread, even if on-topic, to be "spam"?


nah, just bustin' your chops a l'il...Laughing

it's all in good fun, bro. gotta lower the anxiety a notch, ya know ?


http://suicidegirls.com/media/albums//0/13/130/25459.gif
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 01:28 pm
Okay, DTOM, just checking. Others do that a whole lot more than I do. Posting on multiple threads reaches those that might be interested in the subject, but not tracking each thread. Some seem to frown on doing it, other seem to do it. I don't find it objectionable if it's on topic to the thread it's posted in.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 01:42 pm
So let's see...Camp Casey now has a TV Sponser and Caterers?

I am SURE she is just broken up about that.

Let's not forget REV AL. is on board.

This is becoming a circus.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 02:19 pm
woiyo wrote:
So let's see...Camp Casey now has a TV Sponser and Caterers?

I am SURE she is just broken up about that.

Let's not forget REV AL. is on board.

This is becoming a circus.


now don't be bitter, woiyo.

MOVEAMERICAFORWARD.ORG should be rollin' into crawfish anytime now...
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 02:55 pm
Interesting read in Rolling Stone Magazine

Quote:
Bush vs. the Mother
On the president's doorstep -- a dead soldier, an aggrieved housewife and the start of something big
By MATT TAIBBI

Crawford, the home of President George W. Bush, is a sun-scorched hole of a backwater Texas town -- a single dreary railroad crossing surrounded on all sides by roasted earth the color of dried dog ****. There are scattered clumps of trees and brush, but all the foliage seems bent from the sun's rays and ready at any moment to burst into flames.

.....

The movement likes to think of itself as open and inclusive, but in practice it often comes off like a bunch of nerds whose favored recreation is coming up with clever passwords for their secret treehouse. The ostensible political purpose may be ending the war, but the immediate occupation for a sizable percentage of these people always seemed to be a kind of rolling adult tourist attraction called Hating George Bush. Marches become Hate Bush Cruises; vigils, Hate Bush Resorts. Hence the astonishingly wide variety of anti-Bush tees (Camp Casey featured a rare film-fantasy matched set, home at various times to BUSH IS SAURON and DARTH INVADER); the unstoppable flow of Bush-themed folk songs. If you spend any amount of time involved with peace protests, as I have, you very quickly start to notice that Hating the President just seems like a little too much of a fun thing for too many of your brothers-in-arms.

Then again, here as in the rest of America, there's no shortage of folks who spend too much time sick with the opposite disease, Loving the President. In downtown Crawford, the two groups are separated by a Mason-Dixon line. While the anti-Bush protesters congregate at a Zonker Harris-style commune called the Crawford Peace House, the pro-Bush crowd has a meeting place in a giant gift shop called the Yellow Rose.

It's a striking visual scene: On one side of the railroad tracks running through town there's a creaky old house, bedecked with peace signs, that looks like the home of the Partridge family. A few hundred yards away, across the tracks, is the Yellow Rose -- a patriotic storefront drenched in red, white and blue whose entrance is obscured by a Liberty Bell, flanked by two huge stone tablets bearing the Ten Commandments. Together, the two places look like a pair of rides in a Crossfire theme park.

....

From there, I went to the inevitable conservative counterdemonstration, which was organized by Dallas right-wing talk-show reptile Darrell Ankarlo. Sheehan's transformation in the right-wing media from anonymous war mom to the great horned pinko Satan was unusually rapid, even by their standards.

The chief talking points were established within four days after her vigil started: Sheehan was a fame-seeking narcissist, an anti-American traitor who dishonored her dead son (Bill O'Reilly questioned her motives and suggested people might see her actions as treasonous) and a stooge for Michael Moore. This Dallas jock Ankarlo chipped in with a claim that he'd received a series of death threats, some of which, he implied, had come from Sheehan's peaceniks.

There are times when American politics seems like little more than two groups in a fever to prevent each other from trespassing upon their respective soothing versions of unreality.

...

But things were no better at Ankarlo's counterdemonstration. Aaron Martin, 31, had never heard the administration say that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but Martin did remember one thing about Iraq that he said he'd heard "prior to 9/11."

"They had a fuselage," he said. "It was like a 747 fuselage that they use for training purposes for terrorism."

Was there any other reason he believed Iraq was connected to 9/11?

"It's just a general feeling," he said.

Another group I spoke with asked me why I believed Iraq wasn't connected to 9/11. I answered that Saddam Hussein's secular government was a political enemy of the Islamic fundamentalists.

"Well," said Raymond Smith, 42, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

He laughed, and the group nodded at me triumphantly.

It was like a scene from Spinal Tap. Three seconds passed.

"But," I said finally, "that doesn't make any sense, does it?"

Everyone shrugged impatiently. Who gives a ****? We believe what we believe -- and **** you if you don't like it. The Iraq war is like the sun: No one wants to stare at it too long.

....

By the time I finally sat down with Sheehan, I was deeply frustrated with all of this, and I was ready to blame her for what had become, in my mind, a noisome exercise in blind chest-puffing on both sides. By the eighth day of her vigil, practically every anti-Bush movement under the sun had wiggled into Crawford to get a piece of the action, and it seemed to me that all had been lost and that Sheehan had allowed the illogic of a media hurricane -- noise for noise's sake -- to take over her protest. Particularly irritating was the sight of a giant school bus bearing the inscription "Free the Cuban Five" parked in front of the Peace House. Jesus, I thought. The Mumia people can't be far behind.

"What's the Cuban Five?" Sheehan asked when we finally sat down, alone.

"They're on the front lawn here . . ."

She shook her head helplessly. She had no idea who they were.

We met in a trailer parked outside the Peace House that someone had volunteered for her use. The trailer-sanctuary added to the movie-star vibe that followed Sheehan around everywhere in Crawford; I half expected to see a director's chair marked MS. SHEEHAN parked out front.

But for all this, Sheehan seemed a very lonely woman. Tall, lanky and clunkily built, with the most common and therefore most tragic of faces -- the forgotten housewife whom life, with all its best joys, has long ago passed by -- Sheehan had begun to move around the compound with a preternatural slowness, like a ghost. She floated, rather than walked, into the trailer. After a week of media madness, she was like a superhero unable to return home after falling into a vat of disfiguring acid. Her past -- the middle-class family life in Vacaville, California, with her four kids and the yellow station wagon they nicknamed the BananaMobile -- all that was gone.

She had been through so much in the past week. In still more proof that red-blue politics often comes before family in this country, her in-laws had released a statement cruelly denouncing her. Her estranged husband, perhaps a coward and perhaps unable to handle the stress, filed for divorce. Revelations about her personal life were spilling into print, and all around the country, heartless creeps like Drudge and Ankarlo were casting themselves as friends and protectors of her fallen son and criticizing her for dishonoring him.

In return for all that, what Sheehan got was this: her own trailer, a couple of weeks' worth of airtime and a bunch of people who called themselves her friends but were really just humping the latest cause. They would probably be moving on soon, and Sheehan would be left with nothing. And meeting her now, I was struck by one more thing: At the end, when it was all over, her son would still be gone. I felt very sorry for her.

"I never knew," she said, sighing. "Not only that I would become the face of the anti-war movement but also that I would become the sacrificial lamb of the anti-war movement."

I asked her if she was referring to all the personal attacks. She nodded.

"But I'd still do it again," she said. "Because it's so important."

...

Things like this are what Sheehan's detractors are using to describe what they call "Cindy's Political Agenda," but I didn't observe any agenda from Sheehan, just a very tired woman. Like everyone else in anti-war circles, Sheehan does sometimes speak in the clubby language of Camp Bush Hater -- but when she does this, she sounds like a follower, not a leader. In the end, the movement might overtake her, but while she is still at its center she seems genuinely to be trying to do the right thing.

"This thing," she said, "it's bigger than me now."

Sheehan believes that no matter what happens, one thing she accomplished was the returning of the Iraq war to its rightful place at the forefront of the national consciousness. She describes an experience earlier in the week when a TV producer offhandedly mentioned to her that her timing was perfect, that Sheehan had been lucky to hold her vigil on what was otherwise a slow news week.

"And I said to her, 'A slow news week? Didn't thirty soldiers die in the war this month?'" She shook her head. "It's crazy. Iraq should be the lead story every day."

...

In the Sixties, the anti-war movement was part of a cultural revolution: If you opposed Vietnam, you were also rejecting the whole rigid worldview that said life meant going to war, fighting the Commies, then coming back to work for the man, buying two cars and dying with plenty of insurance. That life blueprint was the inflexible expectation of the time, and so ending the war of that era required a visionary movement.

Iraq isn't like that. Iraq is an insane blunder committed by a bunch of criminal incompetents who have managed so far to avoid the lash and the rack only because the machinery for avoiding reality is so advanced in this country. We don't watch the fighting, we don't see the bodies come home and we don't hear anyone screaming when a house in Baghdad burns down or a child steps on a mine.

The only movement we're going to need to end this fiasco is a more regular exposure to consequence. It needs to feel its own pain. Cindy Sheehan didn't bring us folk songs, but she did put pain on the front pages. And along a lonely Texas road late at night, I saw it spread.



I highly suggest Clicking the link at the top to read the whole thing.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 05:43 pm
Wow, there must be like, 50 people there...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/blogbox/05/029_02.jpg
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 06:15 pm
It cracks me up that they're there.

I love it!
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 08:07 pm
Lash wrote:
It cracks me up that they're there.


Where?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 09:50 pm
These Folks Are There Too
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 09:56 pm
Racists for Cindy!!

Protest the Jew War!!

Have you checked out the popularity of the "protest" at Walter Reed? The soldiers, a lot of them, are giving the asshole protesters the single digit salute.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 10:08 pm
Quote:
White supremacists claim Cindy's cause
Holding rally: 'We don't want leftist Johnny-come-latelys' to hijack issue

Posted: August 26, 2005
4:00 p.m. Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

The latest entrants in the saga of Cindy Sheehan vs. the White House are white supremacists, as they plan to rally against the Iraq War this weekend in Crawford, Texas.

Members of Stormfront.org are tossing their figurative hoods into the mix, as they invite supporters to come to Camp Casey to "let the world know that white patriots were first and loudest to protest this war for Israel."

"We don't want leftist Johnny-come-latelys who are misleadingly protesting this war - as if the war is about oil (not true), or as if it's right-wing patriots who launched this war (not true) - to hijack the issue from us," writes James Kelso, senior moderator of Stormfront.

"We want to challenge these leftists with the fact that their leftist leaders, like Hillary Clinton, are on the same war-for-Israel team as the cowardly Republicans who have been bought and paid for in the Senate, House, White House and media by the Jewish Neocon political machine."

Kelso is an assistant to David Duke, the Ku Klux Klansman and activist for European-Americans who was elected to Louisiana's Legislature in 1989, and more recently has served prison time for mail fraud and filing a false tax return.

Duke, himself, is speaking publicly about the California woman who demands a second meeting with Bush in connection with the war-related death of her son, Casey, who had volunteered in the Army.

In an online column, Duke gives a host of reasons why he believes Cindy Sheehan is right to oppose the conflict in Iraq, among them:

* There were no weapons of mass destruction, no nuclear program, no uranium from Niger, no links with al-Qaida, no imminent threat to the American people;

* if Americans were sent to die for democracy or justice in all the countries of the world we deem unjust or undemocratic, then we must be ready to send millions of our sons and daughters to war all over the globe;

* the war is massively increasing hatred and terrorism. For every one terrorist killed in Iraq, we are creating thousands more who hate and want to hurt America and Americans; and

* it has secured us no new or cheaper oil, it has cost a national treasure of hundreds of billions of dollars, it has alienated friends and allies, it has hurt American business around the world ... .

Duke also claims Sheehan believes her son died for the sake of Israel, though she has repeatedly denied she ever made such a comment.

However, Sheehan did make a connection with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in a verbal tirade against the president this month in Dallas, stating:

"You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism."

In a messageboard on Stormfront's website, a member with the pseudonym "Dixie Gal" provides strategy, as well as some practical advice for those attending this weekend's planned rally.

"This war needs to be stopped, our troops brought home. Then our dear president needs to put the troops on the Mexican border, to keep out all these illegals! Have a safe trip, and give Cindy our support! P.S. Don't forget your sunscreen!"
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