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Mother of dead soldier really pissed at Bush

 
 
coachryan
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 10:41 pm
Baldimo wrote:

That's not the issue, the issue with which people will go to exploit the suffering of others to their needs.


Kinda like we keep hearing 9/11, 3000 dead, rape rooms in Iraq, 140 villagers... etc, etc,etc...

Sorry if that's the real issue here you're losing buddy.

Maybe the real issue here is seeing the dogs of propaganda, unleashed on another person who disagrees with the policy of their handlers.

But that's not the real issue here either.

The real issue here is a grieving mother looking for closure, and a man on stilts afraid that showing some respect for her sacrifice will cut them out from underneath him.

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Ry
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:18 pm
coachryan wrote:
Baldimo wrote:

That's not the issue, the issue with which people will go to exploit the suffering of others to their needs.


Kinda like we keep hearing 9/11, 3000 dead, rape rooms in Iraq, 140 villagers... etc, etc,etc...

Sorry if that's the real issue here you're losing buddy.

Maybe the real issue here is seeing the dogs of propaganda, unleashed on another person who disagrees with the policy of their handlers.

But that's not the real issue here either.

The real issue here is a grieving mother looking for closure, and a man on stilts afraid that showing some respect for her sacrifice will cut them out from underneath him.

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Ry


Didn't he already meet with the family? He has given that family the same treatment that he had given every other family that has lost a soldier. Does she deserve more then any other family? No she doesn't. It isn't the job of the President to comfort the family of a fallen soldier. That is why the military provides help and there is other help available out there. The President isn't a paid counselor he is the President.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 12:03 am
Surely, anti-war sentiment is twisted but pro-war sentiment is just jam-packed with mental health and American goodness. What could be more clear?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 12:18 am
Baldimo wrote:
Amigo wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Amigo wrote:
Brave son, brave mother. She has the right to ask the president what she needs to ask. Bush is not a king. Why won't he come out? If the war is just why is this poor dead soldiers mother waiting in the hot sun while he's in his "ranch" on vacation. 6 more marines dead. Bush on vacation.


Wasn't Bush in Illinois today on business? I thought he signed another law or reg into existence. If so that would make 2 pieces of legislation signed. If he's working then how come he told us he is on vacation?
I can sign my name twice in 20 seconds. Thats not work. Bush has spent 20 % of his presidency on vacation. Thats more then any president in the history of the America. Do you defend that? Do you spend 20% of your job on vacation?
ranch.

What else does he have to do? The House and the Senate and the SC are all gone. He has been signing what was completed before they all left. He has been meeting with other leaders and signing bills. Does he really have anything else to be doing right now? Name a few things he should be doing in your eyes.

I wish I could spend that much on time on vacation but I can't. If I could then I would. Do you really care how much time he spends on vacation? According to most of you on the left he doesn't do anything right anyways so what the big deal? I would think you would all be happy. The more time he spends on vacation the less he screw up the country!
aaahh screw it. Bush is doing A great job. The war is going fine. Everything is honky dory down at the ranch.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 09:11 am
Iraqi elite are deserting Baghdad
Iraqi elite are deserting Baghdad

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57259&highlight=
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 11:01 am
Open Letter from Ralph Nader to Cindy Sheehan
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
AUGUST 10, 2005
3:33 PM
CONTACT: Ralph Nader

An Open Letter from Ralph Nader to Cindy Sheehan
WASHINGTON - August 10 -

Dear Ms. Sheehan,

From your grief over the loss of your son, Casey, in Iraq has come the courage to spotlight nationally the cowardly character trait of a President who refuses to meet with anyone or any group critical of his illegal, fabricated, deceptive war and occupation of that ravaged country. As a messianic militarist, Mr. Bush turned aside his own father's major advisers who warned him of the terroristic, political, and diplomatic perils to the United States from an invasion of Iraq. He refused to listen.

Thirteen organizations in early 2003 separately wrote their President requesting a meeting to have him hear them out as to why they opposed his drumbeating, on-the-road-to war policies. These groups represented millions of Americans. They included church leaders, veterans, business, labor, retired intelligence officials, students, women and others. They are among those Americans who are not allowed through the carefully screened public audiences that are bused to arenas around the country to hear his repetitive slogans for carrying on this draining, boomeranging war. They each wrote President Bush but he never bothered even to acknowledge their letters simply to say no to the requested meetings. Not even the courtesy of a reply came from their White House. Ever since then it has been the same-exclusion, denial, contempt and arrogance for views counter to that of Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney and the tight circle around them that composes the inner tin ear of this Administration. Why, they even refuse to listen to objections by their own government's military lawyers (JAG) over repeated violations of due process of law. When will he realize that he is supposed to be the President of all the people, not just those misled into supporting his Iraq maneuvers?

Perhaps the breakthrough will begin this hot August in Crawford, Texas, with the devastating loss of a beloved child transformed into a mission for the soul of our country. This rogue regime, led by two draft-dodgers and officially counseled by similar pro-war evaders during the Vietnam War, is not "our country." Millions of Americans, including military and public servants in his Administration, and many in the retired military, diplomatic and intelligence services, opposed this war, still oppose it and do not equate George W. Bush and Dick Cheney with the United States of America.

Our flag stands for "liberty and justice for all." Our flag must never be misused or defiled as a bandana for war crimes, as a gag against the people's freedom of speech and conscience or as a fig leaf to hide the shame of charlatans in high public office, who violate our Constitution, our laws and our founding fathers' framework for accountable, responsive government.

You will be goaded to cross the semantic line against a President who himself has crossed the much graver constitutional line that has cost so many lives on both sides and continues to cost and cost our country in so many ways domestically and before the world. Neglecting America for the Iraq war has become the widening downward path trod by the Bush government.

Authenticity, bereft of contrivances, is what must confront this White House Misleader. And authenticity is what you are and what drives you as you demand to see this resistant President. He is on an intermittent month long vacation, with spells for fundraisers and other insulated events. His schedule provides ample time for such a meeting. You reflect the hopes and prayers of millions of like-minded Americans. Should he relent and opens his doors, be sure to ask why he lowballs U.S. casualties in Iraq, deleting and disrespecting soldiers seriously hurt or sickened in the Iraq war theatre, but not in direct combat. Remind him of those soldiers back in military hospitals who, with their families, wonder why they are not being counted as they cope with their serious and permanent disabilities. (60 Minutes, CBS program). Ask him why, despite Pentagon audits and GAO investigations about corruption, waste and non-delivery of services in Iraq by profiteering large corporations totaling billions of dollars, this Commander of Chief accepted campaign contributions from their executives and proceeds to let this giant corporate robbery continue without the requisite law and order?

Consider bringing to him a copy of President Dwight Eisenhower's famous "Cross of Iron" speech, delivered in April 1953 before the nation's newspaper editors in Washington, D.C. And add statements by Marine General Anthony Zinni (ret.), a Middle East specialist who strongly criticized the Bush-Cheney war policy before and after March 2003. May you and your associates succeed in galvanizing the public debate in this country over why a growing majority of Americans now think it was a costly mistake to invade Iraq and want our soldiers back, with the U.S. out of that country. He knows that his support for how he is handling this war-occupation is falling close to one third of respondents in recent polls-the lowest yet. Even with the mass-media at his disposal everyday, he now represents a minority of public opinion, which should give him pause before closing his oil marinated doors on majority views in this nation.

May you prevail where others have failed to secure an audience with Mr. Bush.

Sincerely,

Ralph Nader
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 11:12 am
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 11:20 am
Bush Is No Nixon
By: William Pitt Posted on: 8/10/2005
William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times and internationally bestselling author of two books: War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know and The Greatest Sedition Is Silence.

Bush Is No Nixon
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Wednesday 10 August 2005

No mother who lost her son to this Iraq war should be made to stand in a ditch, and yet that is exactly where Cindy Sheehan stands today, by the side of the road in Crawford, Texas. She has been standing there since she heard about the 20 Marines who were killed in Iraq last week, since she heard George W. Bush describe from his vacation home the noble cause for which those Marines died.

Cindy's son, Casey, died in Iraq for that cause more than a year ago. She heard those words from Mr. Bush and went to Crawford. She wanted to talk to the president. The folks in the ranch sent out a couple of lackeys to speak with her. "They were very respectful," Sheehan said later to CNN. "They were nice men. I told them Iraq was not a threat to the United States and that now people are dead for nothing. I told them I wouldn't leave until I talked to George Bush. I want to ask the president, 'Why did you kill my son? What did my son die for?' Last week, he said my son died for a 'noble cause' and I want to ask him what that noble cause is."

Today, she is standing in a ditch by the side of the road in Crawford, waiting to speak to Mr. Bush. Many who hear this may have the obvious reaction: Who does this woman think she is? Who thinks they can just bop down the road and speak to the president? This is an important man, and there are security concerns, and anyway, who thinks they can just show up for a sit-down like this?

Well, Sheehan did get an invitation of sorts. A presidential spokesman described Bush's time in Crawford (approximately five weeks, or about as much vacation time as the average Frenchman gets) as a chance for him to "shed his coat and tie and meet with folks in the heartland and hear what's on their minds." Sure, this administration has raised secrecy and isolation to a zen-like art form, but it sounded pretty clearly like George goes to Texas to talk to the folks. Cindy Sheehan would like to talk.

It's interesting. In the last 50 years, few presidents have been more reviled, denounced and tarnished than Richard M. Nixon. The Vietnam war, Kent State, the attacks upon Cambodia, not to mention the Watergate scandal, left Nixon surrounded by demonstrators and investigators who eventually forced him into an unprecedented resignation.

The Nixon and Bush administrations share a number of fascinating similarities. Both inspired stunning vituperation from those who opposed them. Hunter S. Thompson, avowed life-long foe of Nixon, remembered him this way: "Let there be no mistake in the history books about that. Richard Nixon was an evil man - evil in a way that only those who believe in the physical reality of the Devil can understand it. He was utterly without ethics or morals or any bedrock sense of decency. Nobody trusted him - except maybe the Stalinist Chinese, and honest historians will remember him mainly as a rat who kept scrambling to get back on the ship."

It is easy to imagine, and easy to find via a simple Google search, similar sentiments aimed toward Mr. Bush.

Both were burdened by an unpopular war, the fighting of which appeared with each passing day to be more and more futile. Nixon's Vietnam came to him from Johnson, and Kennedy before him, and Eisenhower, whom Nixon served as vice president. Bush's Iraq came to him from his father, not only from that first Bush administration but from the senior's time as vice president to Reagan. One notable difference here, of course, is that Nixon inherited a catastrophic shooting war while Bush created one.

Nixon and his people were obsessed with secrecy and with dirty tricks. The boys in the Bush White House share the sentiment, and have managed to surpass the Nixonian standards. Nixon wanted to destroy his critics. Bush and his people have actually destroyed more than a few, including a deep-cover CIA operative married to a man who attacked Bush's Iraq policy in print.

Both were dogged by protesters wherever they went, yet here is the point at which the similarities diverge. Bush has the benefit of First Amendment Zones, which keep demonstrations far away, out of sight and out of mind. He would just as soon flush himself down a toilet as speak to someone critical of his actions. More than any other administration in recent memory, this Bush crew represents the triumph of the Yes-Men. Bush is in his bubble, managed and spun, and nothing gets through.

Nixon, on the other hand, went a different way one interesting and significant night. In May of 1970, right after the Kent State shootings, when civil unrest across the nation had reached a fever pitch and opposition to the war had roared again to the forefront, Nixon woke his personal valet in the middle of the night. He grabbed a few Secret Service agents and set off for the Lincoln Memorial. There, he spent an hour talking with a large gathering of war protesters encamped around the monument.

The Time Magazine article from May 18, 1970, recalls the scene this way: "When the conversation turned to the war, Nixon told the students: 'I know you think we are a bunch of so and so's.'" Before he left, Nixon said: 'I know you want to get the war over. Sure you came here to demonstrate and shout your slogans on the ellipse. That's all right. Just keep it peaceful. Have a good time in Washington, and don't go away bitter.' The singular odyssey went on. Nixon and his small contingent wandered through the capital, then drove to the Mayflower Hotel for a breakfast of corned beef hash and eggs - his first restaurant meal in Washington since he assumed power. Then he withdrew to his study in the Executive Office Building to sit out the day of protest."

There will be a large anti-war protest in Washington DC on September 24th. Is it even conceivable that George W. Bush might remove himself from the White House that day to speak with the people who disagree with his leadership? The idea is laughable on its face.

Cindy Sheehan is not in a large crowd in Washington DC. She is not camped on the Lincoln Memorial. She waits for Mr. Bush in a ditch by the side of the road in Crawford, arguably the safest and most comfortable spot in America for this self-styled cowboy. Yet he does not emerge to speak to this woman who lost her son to his war. Somehow, it seems a safe bet that not even Richard Nixon would keep this woman waiting.

There is an Iraqi sniper nicknamed Juba operating in southern Baghdad. He is very good, never firing more than one shot to keep his position concealed, and he almost always hits his mark. Juba is credited with shooting more than a dozen American soldiers. According to the UK Guardian, "He waits for soldiers to dismount, or stand up in a Humvee turret, and aims for gaps in their body armour, the lower spine, ribs or above the chest. He has killed from 200 metres away."

Juba is but one threat to US soldiers in Iraq, who are there because Bush sent them there on a mission based upon lies. How many more mothers will Juba put down in that ditch next to Cindy Sheehan? How long will they have to wait for an answer to their question?

http://www.truthout.org/

Peacejournalism.com
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 11:25 am
I have a question to all of you complaining about Bush being on "vacation" in Texas.
How is it a vacation?
He gets his daily national security briefings every day,he has all of the phones that go into the WH also go into his ranch,so he gets calls from world leaders and others,he signs legislation,he makes and keeps appointments,he is kept abreast of situations that may affect US interests,he does EVERYTHING in Crawford that he does in the WH.
The only difference is the location,not the daily activities.

How does that qualify as a "vacation"?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 02:13 pm
mysteryman, where do you think Bush should be, at the ranch or the white house? where would you be? If my party produced A president like this I wouldn't defend him i'd confront it for the sake of my party and my country.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 02:30 pm
I think the real reason he's not seeing her is because they suspect she's got one of them damned STOP THE LIES T-shirts on under her jacket.

Somehow I think Bush's actions would be much different had this family come to him praising his policies and offered 3 more childeren as cannon fodder....
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 03:35 pm
The Shrub comments:

Reuters, 22 August, 2005, 20:22 GMT

By Steve Holland

CRAWFORD, Texas, Aug 11 (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Thursday said he sympathized with a mother who lost a son in Iraq and who has been leading a protest vigil near his ranch but that he would not pull U.S. troops from Iraq prematurely.

"I grieve for every death," Bush said as Cindy Sheehan remained camped out about five miles (8 km) away. For six days she has been demanding Bush meet with her about her son, Casey Austin Sheehan, an Army specialist killed in combat in Baghdad in April 2004.

"It breaks my heart to think about a family weeping over the loss of a loved one. I understand the anguish that some feel about the death that takes place," Bush said.

But, he added, "Pulling the troops out would send a terrible signal to the enemy."

Bush also said he had made no final decision on increasing U.S. troop strength in Iraq to help improve security during October elections, but he noted pointedly that having more troops in place helped provide stability during the Iraq elections last January and during Afghanistan elections.

"It seemed to have helped create security, and I know the secretary of defense is analyzing that possibility," Bush told reporters.

The United States has roughly 138,000 troops in Iraq. Pentagon officials have said the number could go up this fall to bolster security for the Iraqi elections.

He also sought to not raise Americans' hopes about substantial troop reductions next year, although military officials have talked openly about the possibility.

CABINET MEETING

Bush answered questions at his Texas ranch after meeting with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Vice President Dick Cheney, Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and national security adviser Stephen Hadley.

While the security advisers were meeting, Sheehan, 48, was again calling for the session with Bush. Bush did meet with her in June 2004.

Sheehan has been leading what she and supporters hope will be a budding peace movement to demand U.S. troops leave Iraq. The White House sent Hadley and deputy White House chief of staff Joe Hagin to meet her last Sunday, but that was not enough for her to call off her vigil. The White House has said there are no plans for another meeting.

"All I want is for President Bush to take one hour out of his vacation and meet with me before another mother's son dies in Iraq," the Vacaville, California, resident said. "You don't use our country's precious sons and daughters unless it's absolutely necessary to defend America."

She added: "Mr. president, it is time to level with the American people: Why did we go to war? Why have so many died? And when are they coming home?"

With Americans increasingly questioning the U.S. involvement in Iraq, Bush tried to address Sheehan's concerns and bolster U.S. support for the troops.

"Listen, I sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan," Bush said. "She feels strongly about her position. And she has every right in the world to say what she believes. This is America."

He said he has thought "long and hard" about her demand to "get out of Iraq now" and strongly disagreed, saying a premature withdrawal would betray the Iraqis just as they are being trained to defend themselves and allow for a U.S. pullout.

"Oh, I know it's hard for some Americans to see that progress, but we are making progress ... Withdrawing before the mission is complete would send a signal to those who wonder about the United States' commitment to spreading freedom," he said. (Additional reporting by Patricia Wilson)
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 04:09 pm
candidone1 wrote:
I think the real reason he's not seeing her is because they suspect she's got one of them damned STOP THE LIES T-shirts on under her jacket.

Somehow I think Bush's actions would be much different had this family come to him praising his policies and offered 3 more childeren as cannon fodder....


I'm sure there have been plenty of parents who have felt that way but he doesn't give them personal meetings. He doesn't have to answer to her for anything. It isn't his job. He gave her a meeting months ago, what else does she want? To tell him to leave Iraq? The people who have gotten into her head have convinced her that she can succeed where they have failed. To be used like that and realize it later I'm sure is going to make her feel worse.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 04:42 pm
Amigo wrote:
mysteryman, where do you think Bush should be, at the ranch or the white house? where would you be? If my party produced A president like this I wouldn't defend him i'd confront it for the sake of my party and my country.


It doesnt matter.
All of the communications equipment,all of thetelevision monitors,the "hot line",everything is duplicated at his Crawford ranch.
Its also all duplicated on AF1.
So,wherever he is,Bush has all the access to all the info he gets in the oval office.

Its not like 100 years ago,modern communications allows the pres to be kept totally informed,no matter where he is.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 04:43 pm
Assuming the dim bulb has any interest in being informed . . .
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 04:53 pm
Where was bush when he got the memo about terrorist determined to attack in U.S . If someone wanted to talk to the presitdent face to face on some dire issue like say ummm......WAR. I guess they should just send a memo to him. While the memos stack up the country goes to hell. Bush frolics at the ranch. And The vice president cashes the checks.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 04:54 pm
Baldimo, no one's got into her head.

She hasn't changed her position.

She's "just" another pissed off American.

People are pissed about Iraq. The numbers who are pissed off are growing - perhaps because they're starting to pay attention to what's been going on, or perhaps for some other reason. People don't need anyone to get into their head to look around and realize that something doesn't/didn't make sense.

Because this woman does not share your perspective does not mean she is gullible. She may have the right of it - perhaps you do. Being condescending toward her ability to reason doesn't give your position any additional validity.

She's standing up for her beliefs - and that's what America was, in theory, all about. You should be proud of her.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 05:03 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Amigo wrote:
mysteryman, where do you think Bush should be, at the ranch or the white house? where would you be? If my party produced A president like this I wouldn't defend him i'd confront it for the sake of my party and my country.


It doesnt matter.
All of the communications equipment,all of thetelevision monitors,the "hot line",everything is duplicated at his Crawford ranch.
Its also all duplicated on AF1.
So,wherever he is,Bush has all the access to all the info he gets in the oval office.
.


That is absolutely not true.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 05:06 pm
ehBeth wrote:


Because this woman does not share your perspective does not mean she is gullible. She may have the right of it - perhaps you do. Being condescending toward her ability to reason doesn't give your position any additional validity.

She's standing up for her beliefs - and that's what America was, in theory, all about. You should be proud of her.


And Bush just proves he is the arrogant, out of touch hypocrite we all know he is by refusing to meet with her.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2005 05:22 pm
Chrissee wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Amigo wrote:
mysteryman, where do you think Bush should be, at the ranch or the white house? where would you be? If my party produced A president like this I wouldn't defend him i'd confront it for the sake of my party and my country.


It doesnt matter.
All of the communications equipment,all of thetelevision monitors,the "hot line",everything is duplicated at his Crawford ranch.
Its also all duplicated on AF1.
So,wherever he is,Bush has all the access to all the info he gets in the oval office.
.


That is absolutely not true.


Bullshit. It is 100% true. As a former Communications Officer for the U.S. Secret Service I worked closely enough with the White House Commincations Service to know.
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