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Mother of dead soldier really pissed at Bush

 
 
Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:28 am
August 10, 2005
Why No Tea and Sympathy?
By MAUREEN DOWD
New York Times

W. can't get no satisfaction on Iraq.

There's an angry mother of a dead soldier camping outside his Crawford ranch, demanding to see a president who prefers his sympathy to be carefully choreographed.

A new CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll shows that a majority of Americans now think that going to war was a mistake and that the war has made the U.S. more vulnerable to terrorism. So fighting them there means it's more likely we'll have to fight them here?

Donald Rumsfeld acknowledged yesterday that sophisticated bombs were streaming over the border from Iran to Iraq.

And the Rolling Stones have taken a rare break from sex odes to record an antiwar song called "Sweet Neo Con," chiding Condi Rice and Mr. Bush. "You call yourself a Christian; I call you a hypocrite," Mick Jagger sings.

The N.F.L. put out a press release on Monday announcing that it's teaming up with the Stones and ABC to promote "Monday Night Football." The flag-waving N.F.L. could still back out if there's pressure, but the mood seems to have shifted since Madonna chickened out of showing an antiwar music video in 2003. The White House used to be able to tamp down criticism by saying it hurt our troops, but more people are asking the White House to explain how it plans to stop our troops from getting hurt.

Cindy Sheehan, a 48-year-old Californian with a knack for P.R., says she will camp out in the dusty heat near the ranch until she gets to tell Mr. Bush face to face that he must pull all U.S. troops out of Iraq. Her son, Casey, a 24-year-old Army specialist, was killed in a Sadr City ambush last year.

The president met with her family two months after Casey's death. Capturing W.'s awkwardness in traversing the line between somber and joking, and his love of generic labels, Ms. Sheehan said that W. had referred to her as "Mom" throughout the meeting, and given her the sense that he did not know who her son was.

The Bush team tried to discredit "Mom" by pointing reporters to an old article in which she sounded kinder to W. If only her husband were an undercover C.I.A. operative, the Bushies could out him. But even if they send out a squad of Swift Boat Moms for Truth, there will be a countering Falluja Moms for Truth.

It's amazing that the White House does not have the elementary shrewdness to have Mr. Bush simply walk down the driveway and hear the woman out, or invite her in for a cup of tea. But W., who has spent nearly 20 percent of his presidency at his ranch, is burrowed into his five-week vacation and two-hour daily workouts. He may be in great shape, but Iraq sure isn't.

It's hard to think of another president who lived in such meta-insulation. His rigidly controlled environment allows no chance encounters with anyone who disagrees. He never has to defend himself to anyone, and that is cognitively injurious. He's a populist who never meets people - an ordinary guy who clears brush, and brush is the only thing he talks to. Mr. Bush hails Texas as a place where he can return to his roots. But is he mixing it up there with anyone besides Vulcans, Pioneers and Rangers?

W.'s idea of consolation was to dispatch Stephen Hadley, the national security adviser, to talk to Ms. Sheehan, underscoring the inhumane humanitarianism of his foreign policy. Mr. Hadley is just a suit, one of the hard-line Unsweet Neo Cons who helped hype America into this war.

It's getting harder for the president to hide from the human consequences of his actions and to control human sentiment about the war by pulling a curtain over the 1,835 troops killed in Iraq; the more than 13,000 wounded, many shorn of limbs; and the number of slain Iraqi civilians - perhaps 25,000, or perhaps double or triple that. More people with impeccable credentials are coming forward to serve as a countervailing moral authority to challenge Mr. Bush.

Paul Hackett, a Marine major who served in Iraq and criticized the president on his conduct of the war, narrowly lost last week when he ran for Congress as a Democrat in a Republican stronghold in Cincinnati. Newt Gingrich warned that the race should "serve as a wake-up call to Republicans" about 2006.

Selectively humane, Mr. Bush justified his Iraq war by stressing the 9/11 losses. He emphasized the humanity of the Iraqis who desire freedom when his W.M.D. rationale vaporized.

But his humanitarianism will remain inhumane as long as he fails to understand that the moral authority of parents who bury children killed in Iraq is absolute.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:32 am
O'Reilly Smears Grieving Mother
August 09, 2005
O'Reilly Smears Grieving Mother as Flip-flopping Tool of the Left

Bill O'Reilly Tuesday (August 9, 2005) tried to make Cindy Sheehan look like an unwitting tool of leftist extremists who has unaccountably changed her views of President Bush. All it took was a Google search to reveal that O'Reilly was repeating false information that the far right has been spreading about Sheehan all week.

Sheehan, whose son Casey was killed in Iraq last year, has been protesting outside President Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch while the president vacations. She is demanding that Bush explain his conduct of the war in Iraq.

O'Reilly claimed that Sheehan has changed her feelings toward Bush since she met with the president a year ago. He said that in an inteview with a California newspaper shortly after that visit, Sheehan said, "I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis. I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss." He also quoted her as saying, "That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together."

Both O'Reilly and his guest, far-right pundit Michelle Malkin, criticized news outlets such as The New York Times for failing to report the flip-flop in Sheehan's feelings.

But O'Reilly left out a little crucial information himself. For starters, O'Reilly never mentioned that he was merely repeating a story from Monday's Drudge Report, another cog in the right-wing noise machine.

Drudge headlined his story, "Protesting Soldier Mom Changed Story on Bush." Except that she didn't.

The Reporter, from Vacaville, California, interviewed Sheehan after her family's meeting with Bush in June 2004. The article, "Bush, Sheehans share moments," makes clear that Sheehan and her husband Patrick wanted to confront Bush then about his policy on Iraq.

The Reporter's article said:

"'We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled,' Cindy said. 'The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached.'

"The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.

"But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. It addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.

"'We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us,' Pat said.

"Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture."

The Vacaville newspaper Tuesday dredged up its original story on the Sheehans and noted how the Drudge Report misused it. Referring to Sheehan's quote about the "gift of happiness" Bush gave them, Tuesday's story
in The Reporter said that, "Drudge included that quote in his Monday morning report, but didn't explain that it referred to sharing time with her family, not the president."

O'Reilly repeated the misrepresentation.

After setting the stage with quotes taken out of context, O'Reilly and Malkin went on to smear Sheehan. Malkin said Sheehan "has turned her private, personal pain into a public circus" with her demonstration. In other words, grieving mothers like Sheehan should stay home, suck it up, and leave policy-making on things like war to Bush and members of Congress who have no children in Iraq and can make these decisions with clear-headed logic unclouded by silly sentimentalism for dead sons.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:49 am
Bush, Sheehans share moments
By David Henson/Staff Writer

Since learning in April that their son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, had been killed in Iraq, life has been everything but normal for the Sheehan family of Vacaville.

Casey's parents, Cindy and Patrick, as well as their three children, have attended event after event honoring the soldier both locally and abroad, received countless letters of support and fielded questions from reporters across the country.

"That's the way our whole lives have been since April 4," Patrick said. "It's been surreal."

But none of that prepared the family for the message left on their answering machine last week, inviting them to have a face-to-face meeting with President George W. Bush at Fort Lewis near Seattle.

Surreal soon seemed like an understatement, as the Sheehans - one of 17 families who met Thursday with Bush - were whisked in a matter of days to the Army post and given the VIP treatment from the military. But as their meeting with the president approached, the family was faced with a dilemma as to what to say when faced with Casey's commander-in-chief.

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."

The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.

But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.

"We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," Pat said.

Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."

The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

While meeting with Bush, as well as Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, was an honor, it was almost a tangent benefit of the trip. The Sheehans said they enjoyed meeting the other families of fallen soldiers, sharing stories, contact information, grief and support.

For some, grief was still visceral and raw, while for others it had melted into the background of their lives, the pain as common as breathing. Cindy said she saw her reflection in the troubled eyes of each.

"It's hard to lose a son," she said. "But we (all) lost a son in the Iraqi war."

The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together," Cindy said.

source
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:11 pm
So....she's not to be taken seriously now because she once said something different in the past?
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rayban1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:22 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
So....she's not to be taken seriously now because she once said something different in the past?


At the very least her credibility is now in question. I would like to see a list of the names who got to her and turned her around.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:23 pm
Isn't that the standard by which liberals use to make judgements? Not saying you are a liberal, but for those that are...
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:35 pm
I'm not sure what standard you mean. And the implication that someone "got to her" is pretty obnoxious.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:41 pm
BBB
At the onset of her grief when her soldier son died in Iraq, a mother decided to honor her son's memory by supporting her's son's motivations for serving.

As her grief increased over time, she decided to express her own feelings and outrage.

What is wrong with that?

How dare you question a grieving parent's motives. Declasse.

BBB
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dragon49
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:06 pm
not to make fun because that isn't what i am trying to do...but will someone please send her a fan? its hotter than all get out down there (i lived in austin). she has got to be sweating her tooty off camping out. is she truly camping? as in tent, no ac, etc?
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rayban1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:08 pm
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
At the onset of her grief when her soldier son died in Iraq, a mother decided to honor her son's memory by supporting her's son's motivations for serving.

As her grief increased over time, she decided to express her own feelings and outrage.

What is wrong with that?

How dare you question a grieving parent's motives. Declasse.

BBB


Do you know for a fact that no one influenced her and IF you say it is a fact please give me a source as you always insist upon.

PS: When it's obviously politically motivated I will always question even a grieving parent. Please don't try to spread liberal slime on me.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:17 pm
Re: BBB
rayban1 wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
At the onset of her grief when her soldier son died in Iraq, a mother decided to honor her son's memory by supporting her's son's motivations for serving.

As her grief increased over time, she decided to express her own feelings and outrage.

What is wrong with that?

How dare you question a grieving parent's motives. Declasse.

BBB


Do you know for a fact that no one influenced her and IF you say it is a fact please give me a source as you always insist upon.

PS: When it's obviously politically motivated I will always question even a grieving parent. Please don't try to spread liberal slime on me.


It's an obvious fact that her son's death influenced her.

You slime yourself quite effectively with every post without any help from anyone. Do you think you need help to do it better?

BBB
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:34 pm
I say we charter busses all over the country to Crowford,Texes. Evil or Very Mad everybody.Imagine that?
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 03:20 pm
I'm still waiting for some quote attributed to Mrs. Sheehen that demonstrates that she is pissed at Bush in any way at all.

She was on a radio interview yesterday and said rather plainly that she wasn't upset with Bush himself at all.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 03:30 pm
fishin, I takes a while to come up with peolpe to slander, lies, disinformation, etc,etc. I'ts all they got. tools of the wrong.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 03:33 pm
rayban, would you be kind enough to get a clue.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 04:56 pm
rayban1 wrote:
D'artagnan wrote:
So....she's not to be taken seriously now because she once said something different in the past?


At the very least her credibility is now in question. I would like to see a list of the names who got to her and turned her around.
Is her credibility a defense for bush?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 04:59 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
So....she's not to be taken seriously now because she once said something different in the past?


well look at how many times bush has done that and according to his dogs we're supposed to take him seriously.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 05:02 pm
Re: BBB
rayban1 wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
At the onset of her grief when her soldier son died in Iraq, a mother decided to honor her son's memory by supporting her's son's motivations for serving.

As her grief increased over time, she decided to express her own feelings and outrage.

What is wrong with that?

How dare you question a grieving parent's motives. Declasse.

BBB


Do you know for a fact that no one influenced her and IF you say it is a fact please give me a source as you always insist upon.

PS: When it's obviously politically motivated I will always question even a grieving parent. Please don't try to spread liberal slime on me.


WTF?

It is the responsibility of someone claiming the positive to prove it. No one needs to prove no one influenced her until someone can credibly state she was influenced. Not much credible being claimed on that front.

I
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 05:07 pm
BBB
It is really insulting to suggest that an adult woman is not capable of making up her own mind about an issue without "someone getting to her."

Only an idiot would make a claim that she can't think for herself.

BBB
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 05:19 pm
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
It is really insulting to suggest that an adult woman is not capable of making up her own mind about an issue without "someone getting to her."

Only an idiot would make a claim that she can't think for herself.

BBB


I guess that makes those on the left idiots. They have always accused Bush of not being able to speak for himself.
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