Reasons to not want Hillary in '24

There's no pressure for bipartisanship, they merely change places every four to eight years and the outs begin to work their way back in using the same set of voters the ins used to get in.

A simple fix would be to change the system to to allow for a real third or fourth party challenge. Make winners of an election actually take a majority of votes 51% or better, with a run off if no one breaks 50%.

Now parties have a reason to work together and not just accommodate each other.

The other fix is in the hand of SCOTUS: corporations are not individuals with full Constitutional rights, and money is not always free speech, and protected speech is not corporations buying a dictatorship.

The Constitution is about parity and a level playing ground. This is not what we have.

I don't really fear "total tyranny" as much as a breakdown of the social compact, the federal government simply failing to do anything other than protect corporate power and fund the military while state governments attempt to deal with economic decline, social inequality, climate disasters, and general incivility.

If that's not tyranny I don't know what is.

I found an explanation of options some give when explaining why Democrats can't move bills or do executive orders.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag6DtzRUF5U[/youtube]

What kind of "tyrannical acts" did you have in mind? Not doing anything about climate change isn't tyrannical. Not doing anything about a pandemic isn't tyrannical. Not enforcing voting rights, not reforming police departments, not addressing gun violence, not protecting the environment – none of these are tyrannical. None of these require force, none are despotic. I think the preoccupation with tyranny (aided by the misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment) is a shibboleth, as much of a delusion as "American exceptionalism". Over-emphasis on individual freedom has resulted in a society careening toward dysfunction.

Not giving us a say is backdoor forcing.

I refer your explanations to this post.

I concur that there is only a very narrow gap for saving the country from total tyranny.

You are culpable for the horseshit that we are enduring right now because of your extreme and vile efforts to shut down dialogue about REALITY.

You believe that making excuses for one sorry group of corrupt politicians is the only way to be a proper citizen in this country. As a result, innocent people die. People’s lives are ruined by the disgusting status quo you rail to uphold. Because it didn’t touch your privileged life, you don’t care about them. You’re just as much if not more of their enemy than Trump.

I do not have a privileged life...never have. I've worked since age 17...never really chasing any dollars. I've lived very modestly all of my life...and still do.

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I do not have a privileged life...never have. I've worked since age 17...never really chasing any dollars. I've lived very modestly all of my life...and still do.

You’re either too old and out of touch or too stiff-necked to understand what privilege means in this country. Yeah, we all work, but some of us are born into impossible situations and have an additional target on our backs due to appearance. Your life—compared to about half the country’s — was privileged whether you like to admit it or not.

The changes that so many civil rights heroes died for ARE STILL PLAGUING people in this country—and that’s ok with you because your life isn’t being plagued by those injustices.

So, let them suffer. You got yours. I see.

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Not giving us a say is backdoor forcing.

But we have a say and nearly half of us say we prefer Republicans.

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I refer your explanations to this post.

That's a great movie but as far as contributing to the discussion I'm trying to have with you it is neither useful nor funny.

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I concur that there is only a very narrow gap for saving the country from total tyranny.

So I'm trying to understand what you mean by this. Fine, you've written off the Democratic Party. But it won't be the Green Party or the Peace and Freedom Party which will govern us in the Democrats' absence, it will be some version of the Trumpified Republican Party. I don't see that as leading to "total tyranny" – I see it leading to something even worse, a broken system where the federal government assumes a hands-off position, states do what they want (as we see with gerrymandering and threats to electoral integrity), and individuals – well-armed, of course – are left to fend for themselves as a global climate crisis strains what's left of any sort of social cohesion.