Reasons to not want Hillary in '24

If it's not important why are you bothering to respond?

I remember Lash's monomania about Mrs Clinton throughout the Trump administration.

She wouldn't stop going on about her while maintaining a eeafening silence about Trump.

It was a total distraction and helped let Trump off the hook.

That's why Lash was doing it, her Damascene Conversion to Socialism didn't fool me.

That is the tactic, frighten people about Mrs Clinton so Trump gets back in, and you're aiding her in that respect.

And as Engineer has already pointed out she is not likely to be standing but that won't stop the likes of Lash claiming she will have a top role in the administration of the Democrat candidate regardless of how left wing they are.

Two reasons. First, I'd rather spend some time up front to stem a huge future waste of time. This obsession with Clinton wasted a lot of time two years ago also. "Clinton is going to swoop in and steal the Democratic nomination!!" If you want to promote your ideals (conservative or liberal), I suggest you stop beating this particular horse. Second, regardless of your politics, Clinton was a dedicated public servant for a long time in multiple positions and she's taken her fair share of beatings. Anything you can post about her has already been said. Just let the woman enjoy her retirement and grandkids in peace.

Excellent point.

Biden made a powerful speech about disenfranchment only to be attacked by McConnell for being unpresidential which is a bit rich considering his predecessor.

That's the real problem, people being robbed of their right to vote by Republicans and all you say about it is an oblique reference in response to Bobsal.

I'm just amazed nobody is talking about that, and the day after McConnell makes his statement you start talking about Mrs Clinton.

I don't know why, it's not as if she's been in the news at all, it seems to have come out of nowhere.

I do believe you are sincere, but if Lash had started this threat I would have concluded it was to stop people talking about disenfranchment which is a very real problem and instead start worrying about something that will most likely never happen.

I've been writing about voter suppression and gerrymandering for years. It's not something that just started. It has been getting progressively worse these past few years and I've complained before Biden's speech that there should be some real urgency about fighting it. Just because a thread about Clinton's potential candidacy does not cover every aspect of every other topic is no indication of my thought on the matter.

Democrats are short of "good" candidates for the job. Which is why a Hillary shot could seem to them to be a good Idea the nearer we come to the election year.

You have, but Biden gave a speech and McConnell criticised him yesterday. That happened then, it's in the news. I've not been talking about it because our news is taken up with Boris Johnson and Prince Andrew.

Fair point, and if she ever does become talked about as a possible candidate or even nominated then by all means lay into her with my blessing.

Until then she's an irrelevance and focusing on her is just giving succour to the Trump supporters.

I thought Biden originally spoke about one term but he's already doubled back on that.

I can't see there being much focus on the presidential election in the coming year. Shouldn't the focus be on local and other elections, helping to get out the right candidates in those positions.

I honestly do not know what elections, if any, are held in America in the coming year, but I assume there are some.

Over here the focus is on Council elections in May. They will determine which parties control the city and county councils. Last time these seats were contested the Tories were riding incredibly high in the polls so some losses are bound to happen anyway. The question is how many.

A general election is a long way off, Boris Johnson doesn't need the support of the public right now, he needs the support of the Tory MPs. At the moment it seems most are prepared to give him enough time for the Gray report to give its findings.

That gives him another couple of weeks, and if he manages to wriggle off the hook and cling on after that, the next big test will be the May elections.

If the losses are huge which they could well be then Boris Johnson will face another challenge. Tory MPs will be looking at the results in their own constituencies and deciding if their own jobs are in danger.

1. I agree that voter suppression is a real problem that must be addressed immediately and without any further delay.

2. I believe that a meaningful voting rights bill needs to passed into law immediately without any further delay.

3. I believe that our American democracy is truly in a serious and dire crisis.

4. I believe that Donald Trump along with the republican party all over the nation have been and still are actively and aggressively attacking and undermining our American democracy.

So have I.


1. I agree.
2. And I have been talking about the urgency and the seriousness of this issue for several years.

What too many Democrats don't seem to understand is that being "not Trump" is not enough to be successful. You actually have to do things that Joe citizen understands is going to improve his own increasingly dire situation. You can't dangle $2000 in his face to win an election and then short the checks by $600. You can't campaign on raising the minimum wage and immediately drop the fight for wages after the election. You can't campaign on giving students some debt relief
and then after the election forget the promise. You can't negotiate away any chance of real health reform. etc. Excuses don't convince Joe. Positive action does.

On this point, I totally DISAGREE with you.

Who ya gonna tout? Buttigieg? Yang?

To some extent, that is a valid point.



1. I agree with you in principle.

2. The problem is the reasons for not being able to accomplish many of those goals.

3. Senator Kyrsten Sinema, Senator Joe Manchin, and every Republican senator have and continue to use their power to prevent those goals from ever being achieved.

4. If Joe Biden and the rest of the democratic party could just snap their fingers and make all of those wonderful things happen, I believe they would.

Even the actions Biden can take on his own without Congress but doesn't gets dismissed with a "but they are helpless to act ..." Think Joe public is going to accept this?

Biden is one reason the Senate is evenly divided. Not the sole reason. But his speech helping a Republican Senator get elected didn't exactly help.

My immediate concern is the upcoming (midterm) of 2022.

What are those?

Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg is an American politician and former military officer who is currently serving as the United States secretary of transportation. A member of the Democratic Party, he was the 32nd mayor of South Bend, Indiana from 2012 to 2020.

Andrew Yang is an American businessman, attorney, and political candidate. Yang is best known for being a candidate in the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries and the 2021

1. For me personally, neither of those two would be nowhere near the top of my list in 2024.

2. I feel that there are just way too many other potential presidential candidates that I would prefer over either of these two people.

3. My focus at this moment is on the upcoming 2022 midterm election. ​