Reasons to not want Hillary in '24

@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Biden definitely could do more. He chooses not to because he doesn’t want to. He doesn’t have to. He got his one term. It looks like he was always just a one term president whose primary job was to prevent Bernie sanders from being elected.

What a sore loser take on things. Bernie isn't a winner - it's been proven again and again. And again. Biden may or may not be a one term president. The thing is, Bernie will NEVER be President. He just doesn't have "it."

Get over it. He lost.

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@Lash,

Vague platitudes and hand wringing, nothing concrete.

You really are full of ****.

I'm not surprised

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@edgarblythe,

You voted for Reagan?

I don't know how anyone could have voted for that vile Nazi sack of ****. I was about 14 at the time and I could see what he was.

I suppose that's the difference between British and American "Socialists" I don't know any Socialists who voted for Thatcher.

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@edgarblythe,

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But go on and misrepresent it all you like.

It's not a misrepresentation; it simply supplements my point.

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Getting cheap points for misreading my post.

edgarblythe, the fact is, he's not going to achieve this through legislation. You suggested that Biden actually has a way of getting voting rights legislation approved – he doesn't. So, because of other statements you've made about getting things done through executive order, I felt it right to point out that it won't work in this case.

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paraphrasing James Carville –

"It's the filibuster, stupid."

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

You voted for Reagan?

I don't know how anyone could have voted for that vile Nazi sack of ****. I was about 14 at the time and I could see what he was.

I suppose that's the difference between British and American "Socialists" I don't know any Socialists who voted for Thatcher.

I voted for Reagan also. I guess in a sense I was voting against Jimmy Carter.

I was wrong...I acknowledge that. I realized my mistake while listening to his first Inaugural Address...and the comment, "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem."

It was the dumbest thing ever said by a president up until that moment...and no context made it any saner or more intelligent.

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@Frank Apisa,

Reagan was the genesis of a lot of what's wrong today. Anti-unionism, kneejerk issues, skepticism of the value of a vote (if vote are so worthless, why are they trying to steal the right to vote from us), skepticism in the institution of the Federal government, etc.

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@Frank Apisa,

When I was listening to Tony Benn talking about how Thatcher would take away all the progress the Labour movement had made people like Lash, Edgar and yourself were voting for Reagan.

I don't see what the problem was with Carter, but I despised Reagan from the moment I saw him, it was a gut reaction.

What really sticks in the craw is being lectured on Socialism by those who voted for Reagan.

You haven't done that.

Socialism isn't an affectation or a fashion statement and when Lash devalues it by treating it as such I get very angry, especially when the same Trump supporting fascist calls me a Liberal.

I'm just amazed that Edgar falls for it.

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@izzythepush,

I voted for Reagan the first time he ran. I was discouraged by Carter's weakness and the high inflation. When I realized how badly I screwed up I made the vow to never vote Republican again and voted against him when he ran for reelection. It's easy to see in hindsight, much more difficult otherwise. Millions of us made that mistake. More than that made the mistake a second time. He won all but one state getting reelected.

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Along with the the other leftier Democrats, Elizabeth Warren has been kicking ass recently too. I appreciate what she’s saying—so do disaffected Democrat voters. She’s supporting Build Back Better and Voting Rights actively. She’s challenging Sinema on CBS now—as all Democrat congresspersons should be doing in the face of the this backward Jim Crow direction.

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@hightor,

I never suggested he could do it by executive order. But you doubled down on it anyway. I suggested he has not been very energetic at fighting for voters rights.

hightor wrote:

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But go on and misrepresent it all you like.

It's not a misrepresentation; it simply supplements my point.

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Getting cheap points for misreading my post.

edgarblythe, the fact is, he's not going to achieve this through legislation. You suggested that Biden actually has a way of getting voting rights legislation approved – he doesn't. So, because of other statements you've made about getting things done through executive order, I felt it right to point out that it won't work in this case.

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@edgarblythe,

You made that mistake, I didn't.

OK I was living the other side of the ocean, but I still saw him for what he was.

When he got in I thought we were doomed, because if anything kicked off, the battleground would be where where I live not where you are.

The only reason none of that happened was because Gorbachev became the president of the USSR.

You're making the same mistake about Lash.

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@Lash,

I never will like Warren on the personal level, but some of her actions are in the right direction.

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@izzythepush,

So in your view a person cannot learn from a mistake and go on to a better level. Noted.

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@edgarblythe,

What should he do?

As expected, Lash dodged the question but I expect better of you.

Let's assume you have Biden's ear, what would you tell him to do in the here and now with the current parliamentary situation?

All Lash has is handwringing, and platitudes. We've had enough of that **** already.

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@edgarblythe,

We can all learn.

Frank seems to have learned his lesson, he can see Lash for what she is.

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@izzythepush,

Everybody has a price in our government. It's up to him to learn it and move on it. As one of my posts noted, he hasn't even contacted Romney to try to persuade him. How many others are out there that haven't been approached?

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@izzythepush,

All the personal attacks are going to be ignored from this end. Going after lash for the past and not seeing the present is a disservice to the entire forum.

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@edgarblythe,

She called me a ******* Liberal, that's about as personal an attack as you can get, especially from her.

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@edgarblythe,

Yeah, I’ll never forget her gross behavior during the 2020 campaign, but I’m enjoying her saying things nobody else will say.

The commentators on CBS just said—“Wait, Biden says that the student loan problem is bigger than he is.” And she snapped back, “He could erase student loans with the stroke of a pen.”

She went on to give statistics delineating how many black and brown families, particularly female-led single parent families, are being crushed by student loan debt. Few politicians will spill hard facts like Sanders, AOC (she’s been a little disappointing recently), Cori Bush, Rashida Tlaib, Warren, and Ilhan Omar.

This is just 1 example of how Biden could single-handedly make lives worth living in this country.

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