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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
BillW
 
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Sun 4 Apr, 2021 04:13 pm
The 'Ignore' button still works fine!
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hightor
 
  3  
Mon 5 Apr, 2021 02:47 am
@oralloy,
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I have every right to feel insulted.

Because your rhetorical style comes in for widespread criticism? That's a bit thin-skinned. Never take offense — you should be swelling with pride at how much attention you get here!

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And your refusal to even try to justify what you said about me shows that you know what you said is untrue.

And when I've given you the opportunity to back up your claims you grow strangely reticent.

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You make it sound like "not posting falsehoods" is an evil plot on my part.

Not posting facts is what I'm talking about. And no, I don't think you're evil, just lazy.
blatham
 
  0  
Mon 5 Apr, 2021 04:14 am
@hightor,
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I don't think you're evil, just lazy.

Yes. And though this is certainly not limited to the folks who populate the modern right, it's a common characteristic of them.
hightor
 
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Mon 5 Apr, 2021 04:16 am
HCR wrote:
The Republican outrage over Major League Baseball moving the All-Star game out of Georgia after the passage of the state’s new voter suppression law reveals a bigger crisis in American democracy: the mechanics of our current system do not reflect the will of the majority.

Consumer-driven corporate America is increasingly throwing its weight against the new voter suppression measures across the country. While MLB and Coca-Cola are out front on the new Georgia voting law, American Airlines, Microsoft, and Dell are all opposing the new Texas voter restriction measures. These corporations are focused on those Americans with buying power, and on those they predict will have that buying power going forward. When they take a stand against voter suppression laws, they are making a bet that the future of America is moving away from the Republicans toward a more inclusive society.

They have drawn the fury of current Republican lawmakers, especially those in Georgia, who are insisting that these corporate decisions are part of a culture war in which Democrats are pressuring corporate leaders to “cancel” things with which they disagree. But MLB is not known as a progressive league. Its fanbase is primarily White and does not tend to lean left. The players were not involved in MLB’s decision to move the All-Star game out of Atlanta, a decision that will cost Georgia about $100 million. Nonetheless, former president Trump yesterday called for his supporters to boycott “Major League Baseball, Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines, JPMorgan Chase, ViacomCBS, Citigroup, Cisco, UPS and Merck,” all companies on the record against the new voter suppression bills.

The emphasis of corporate America on what its directors think the majority of its consumers want shows the same sort of disconnect national polls reveal. Americans as a whole do not like the policies of current-day Republican lawmakers. Seventy-seven percent of us like the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan, and yet not a single Republican voted for it. Eighty-four percent of us like background checks for gun purchases, and yet that policy is anathema to Republicans.

Seventy-nine percent of us want the government to fix our roads, bridges, railroads, and ports. Seventy-one percent of us want the government to make sure we all have high-speed internet. Sixty-eight percent of us want the government to replace our lead pipes, the same percentage as people who want the government to support renewable energy with tax credits. Sixty-four percent of us want to pay for these things by increasing taxes on corporations and big businesses.

Republican lawmakers oppose all of these popular measures.

Because our political system is currently skewed toward the Republican Party, its members’ opposition in Congress is far more powerful than it is on the ground. Because of gerrymandering, Democratic candidates in 2020 defeated their Republican opponents by 3.1 percentage points nationally and yet lost a dozen seats in the House of Representatives.

The Senate is even less fairly representative. It is currently divided evenly, with 50 Republicans and 50 Democrats (technically, 48 Democrats and 2 Independents who caucus with the Democrats). But the 50 Democrats represent 41.5 million more people than the Republicans do (the U.S. has a population of about 328 million).

That Republican minority can currently stop all legislation other than budget bills and judicial appointments through the process known as the filibuster, which forces 60 members of the Senate to agree to a bill before it can move forward.

As current-day Republican lawmakers fall farther out of sync with what the majority of Americans want, they have turned to the courts to shore up their vision of a world in which government cannot regulate business, protect civil rights, or provide a basic social safety net, but can enforce rules popular with evangelical religious practitioners (although evangelical religion is also on the wane, apparently in part because of its political partisanship). “By legislating from the bench, Republicans dodge accountability for unpopular policies,” writes Ian Millhiser in a terrific piece in the New York Times on March 30. “Meanwhile, the real power is held by Republican judges who serve for life — and therefore do not need to worry about whether their decisions enjoy public support.”

And yet, the party is nervous enough about its eroding power base that a Republican-aligned group has launched an initiative called the “American Culture Project,” intending to redirect the “cultural narrative” that its organizers believe “the left” now controls with “cancel culture” and “woke supremacy.” Set up as a social welfare organization, the American Culture Project does not have to disclose its donors or pay federal income taxes. Through ads on Facebook and other platforms, it hopes to swing voters to the Republicans; it is organized in at least five states-- Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, and Virginia—under names like “Arise Ohio,” “Stand Up Florida,” and “Mighty Michigan.”

A fundraising email shared with Isaac Stanley-Becker of the Washington Post, who broke the story, says, “We are building assets to shape and frame the political field in advance of the 2022 election and beyond…. [Y]our support of our outreach can be the difference between the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate staying under control of the Democrats or shifting back to pro-freedom Republican majorities.”

substack
izzythepush
 
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Mon 5 Apr, 2021 04:45 am
@blatham,
He’s not smart enough to be evil, just repulsive.
neptuneblue
 
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Mon 5 Apr, 2021 05:10 am
@hightor,
I keep getting silly emails:

"I’m sure you’ve heard the news by now: the MLB caved to the far-left’s demands to boycott Georgia and pulled its All-Star Game from the state.

Here’s what you can do to stand up to this ridiculous wokeism. To combat the far-left's cancel culture, we're offering a set of 9 limited-edition "Dear MLB, grow some ⚾️⚾️" stickers to everyone who pitches in $15 or more! But you must order immediately because these will go fast!

Order My Stickers Now
This latest move to boycott Georgia started because the Left spread fake news about Georgia’s election integrity legislation.

Woke liberals don’t want you to know that Georgia’s new law helps prevent election fraud and offers more options to vote. In fact, Georgia’s new law offers more days of early voting than many blue states.

Instead of listening to the facts, Joe Biden and his fellow liberals are spreading lies and trying to cancel anything and everything in Georgia.

That’s why we need to use the power of our voices to take a stand.

When you pitch in $15 or more to get your special-edition stickers right now, everything you contribute will go directly towards our efforts to combat cancel culture, promote policies that strengthen our country, and stand for America.

Will you stand up against cancel culture right now?

Sincerely,

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Cracks me up!



oralloy
 
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Mon 5 Apr, 2021 06:34 am
@izzythepush,
Nope. My IQ is 170. You and Blatham are the ones with the low IQs.

But you at least have enough sense to not run around yelling "Hey everyone, I think what the smart people think!"
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Mon 5 Apr, 2021 06:36 am
Why do stupid people always claim to have an IQ of 170?
oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 5 Apr, 2021 06:37 am
@izzythepush,
They don't. Why do you falsely accuse your betters of your own stupidity?
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 5 Apr, 2021 06:38 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Because your rhetorical style comes in for widespread criticism?

Fair criticism is fine.

You are outright lying about me when you say that I use the same tactics as RabidFox.


hightor wrote:
That's a bit thin-skinned. Never take offense -- you should be swelling with pride at how much attention you get here!

I don't like being lied about.


hightor wrote:
And when I've given you the opportunity to back up your claims you grow strangely reticent.

Nonsense. What are you talking about?

When is the last time you've asked me for a cite?


hightor wrote:
Not posting facts is what I'm talking about. And no, I don't think you're evil, just lazy.

I post plenty of facts.

Fact: Progressives deliberately violate people's civil liberties, and they do it solely for the pleasure of violating people's civil liberties.

And, just to help everyone see the difference between fact and opinion (since progressives always have such trouble with that distinction):

Opinion: Progressives are demented and evil.
blatham
 
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Mon 5 Apr, 2021 07:45 am
@hightor,
Yes, I read the WP piece she notes. These boys and girls are putting a LOT of money and effort into pushing the "cancel culture" and "woke" memes. Both are clearly designed to insulate conservatism from any sort of criticism and are red herrings. I'd really love to know specifics on how that sausage got made.
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revelette3
 
  5  
Mon 5 Apr, 2021 07:54 am
@neptuneblue,
I hate those lame buzz words "woke" "cancel cultural." I wonder if they are aware of just uncool they sound using them?
hightor
 
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Mon 5 Apr, 2021 07:54 am
@oralloy,
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You are outright lying about me when you say that I use the same tactics as RabidFox.


Here's what I mean:

RabidFox wrote:
You are fiction. Are you a bot?

Your truth are lies

You are a very ignorant boy

You are THE monster. Like Knox.

Fact checker. You are wrong.

You do not in the slightest have the mentality to make a valid argument.

Self praise is no recommendation. You are a deluded speck of dust....


These responses, all directed at you, are so like yours that you might as well be arguing with yourself!

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When is the last time you've asked me for a cite?


You've been asked repeatedly to validate your dubious claim to have an IQ of 170. Not only have you never supplied any proof, you won't even divulge the particular test you supposedly scored so well on.

You claimed some horse-thieving relative murdered a sheriff but you never offered any proof even when challenged.

You claimed to have heard from coldjoint but when asked to show a screenshot or verify the claim in some other way you disappeared.

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Fact: Progressives deliberately violate people's civil liberties, and they do it solely for the pleasure of violating people's civil liberties.


That's just your opinion. The efforts of liberals to encourage widespread mask usage, which drives conservatives up the wall, isn't done "solely for the pleasure of violating people's civil liberties," it's done for reasons of public health.

The efforts of liberals to limit magazine capacity of firearms isn't done "solely for the pleasure of violating people's civil liberties," it's to address the country's problem with mass shootings.

If you can produce proof of this silly contention, please go ahead. I've asked you before. Show us a clip of some grinning liberal chortling over the number of civil liberties violations he's enacted. Show us an editorial from a liberal news source that admits that the only reason for attempting to ban assault-style weapons is for pleasure.



hightor
 
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Mon 5 Apr, 2021 08:01 am
@revelette3,
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I hate those lame buzz words "woke" "cancel cultural."

I know. I hated them when Lash used them, too. Is the right-wing so unimaginative that they have to appropriate the crappiest terminology of their ideological enemies? Pitiful.
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blatham
 
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Mon 5 Apr, 2021 08:02 am
@revelette3,
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I wonder if they are aware of just uncool they sound using them?
I very much doubt they sound uncool to the audience to whom they are speaking, particularly as the usage becomes increasingly common in the right wing universe (just as happened with "politically correct"). Such terms can be very effective propaganda tools and that's really all the designers/promoters of these memes care about.
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revelette3
 
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Mon 5 Apr, 2021 08:04 am
@oralloy,
When making a rebuttal, you should at that time, provide reasons for your rebuttal, whether your own reasons or proving a link, but something other than merely an opposite statement which means nothing on it's own.

I would be like a defense lawyer making an opening statement by just saying, "my client is innocent" after the prosecution just gave a statement filled with reasons and arguments about why the prosecution believe the defendant is guilty.

oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 5 Apr, 2021 10:58 am
@revelette3,
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor

I believe I provide as much evidence for my rebuttals as has been provided in support of whatever I am rebutting.

If progressives can spout endless claims without ever supporting them and I have to provide a ton of cites in every single post that I make, that will quickly grow untenable.

That said, if you have questions about what I say, ask your questions. Or ask for a cite if it's about a factual claim that I've made.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Mon 5 Apr, 2021 11:05 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
These responses, all directed at you, are so like yours that you might as well be arguing with yourself!

That's an outrageous lie. You cannot provide any examples of me ever saying anything like that.


hightor wrote:
You've been asked repeatedly to validate your dubious claim to have an IQ of 170. Not only have you never supplied any proof, you won't even divulge the particular test you supposedly scored so well on.

This is a demand that I provide personal information about myself. And the people making the demand are all creepy stalker types who I don't want to know anything about me.

I have no idea what the particular IQ test was, but I did describe the test in enough detail that someone who knows their IQ tests would probably know what test I took. It's unlikely that any of the rabble here knows much about IQ tests however.


hightor wrote:
You claimed some horse-thieving relative murdered a sheriff but you never offered any proof even when challenged.

You are lying and being deliberately offensive. My relative was the murder victim, and was killed by the horse thief.

That as well is a attempt to learn personal information about me.


hightor wrote:
You claimed to have heard from coldjoint but when asked to show a screenshot or verify the claim in some other way you disappeared.

While not quite a demand for my personal information, it was a request that I divulge a private conversation with someone else.

I could ask Coldjoint for permission to divulge it I suppose, but I feel that your request is unreasonable.

Your three examples have nothing to do with backing up any factual claims in a debate. They are all examples of progressives being creepy stalkers who don't know how to mind their own business.


hightor wrote:
That's just your opinion.

Wrong. It is a fact that progressives deliberately violate people's civil liberties, and that they do so only because they enjoy violating people's civil liberties.


hightor wrote:
The efforts of liberals to encourage widespread mask usage, which drives conservatives up the wall, isn't done "solely for the pleasure of violating people's civil liberties," it's done for reasons of public health.

So what? What do masks have to do with anything?

I have no objections to mask wearing. I snagged a box of genuine N95 masks early in the pandemic before they all got bought up, and I always wear a mask on the extremely rare occasions that I venture out of my bunker.


hightor wrote:
The efforts of liberals to limit magazine capacity of firearms isn't done "solely for the pleasure of violating people's civil liberties," it's to address the country's problem with mass shootings.

Progressives do not deserve to be called liberals. They violate core principles of liberalism.

Progressives also never get around to trying to limit magazine capacity. They focus single-mindedly on trying to outlaw pistol grips.


hightor wrote:
If you can produce proof of this silly contention, please go ahead.

Here is an example of a progressive praising a law that violates people's civil liberties by outlawing pistol grips on semi-auto long guns:
https://able2know.org/topic/203766-209#post-5227079


hightor wrote:
I've asked you before.

I've provided you with that proof every single time that you asked.


hightor wrote:
Show us a clip of some grinning liberal chortling over the number of civil liberties violations he's enacted.

Here is an example of a progressive praising a law that violates people's civil liberties by outlawing pistol grips on semi-auto long guns:
https://able2know.org/topic/203766-209#post-5227079


hightor wrote:
Show us an editorial from a liberal news source that admits that the only reason for attempting to ban assault-style weapons is for pleasure.

The fact that no one can provide any alternative motivation for outlawing pistol grips shows that the only possible motivation is that progressives enjoy violating people's civil liberties.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 5 Apr, 2021 11:10 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
It's unlikely that any of the rabble here knows much about IQ tests however.
Why is that unlikely?

By the way, you certainly know that intelligence tests have to be recalibrated regularly because the average measured intelligence changes over time.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 5 Apr, 2021 11:15 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Progressives do not deserve to be called liberals. They violate core principles of liberalism.
Perhaps.
But here, in Germany, after the failed Liberal Revolution in 1848, several parties were formed from the Liberals. The largest part of the members merged into the German Progress Party.
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