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Let's fire Trump

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jun, 2020 08:54 am
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jun, 2020 11:04 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

George W. Bush won't support Donald Trump's reelection.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/us/politics/trump-biden-republicans-voters.html?smid=tw-share

"Former President George W. Bush and Senator Mitt Romney won’t support Mr. Trump’s re-election, and other G.O.P. officials are mulling a vote for Joe Biden.

Former President George W. Bush won’t support the re-election of Mr. Trump, and Jeb Bush isn’t sure how he’ll vote, say people familiar with their thinking. Senator Mitt Romney of Utah won’t back Mr. Trump and is deliberating whether to again write in his wife, Ann, or cast another ballot this November. And Cindy McCain, the widow of Senator John McCain, is almost certain to support Mr. Biden but is unsure how public to be about it because one of her sons is eying a run for office.

None of them voted for Mr. Trump in 2016, but the reproach of big Republican names carries a different weight when an incumbent president and his shared agenda with Senate leaders are on the line.

Former Republican leaders like the former Speakers Paul D. Ryan and John A. Boehner won’t say how they will vote, and some Republicans who are already disinclined to support Mr. Trump are weighing whether to go beyond backing a third-party contender to openly endorse Mr. Biden. Retired military leaders, who have guarded their private political views, are increasingly voicing their unease about the president’s leadership but are unsure whether to embrace his opponent."

It would be interesting to know which of Biden's prospective policy changes these people are supportive of and why.

Do they want ACA back? Do they want tariffs eliminated? Do they want to bring back the state income tax deduction from federal taxes? Why don't they explain which policies they specifically want repealed/changed, and explain why?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jun, 2020 11:37 am
Trump Demanded 10,000 Active- Duty Troops Deploy To Streets

Source: CBS News

(2 hrs. ago). In a heated and contentious debate in the Oval Office last Monday morning, President Trump demanded the military put 10,000 active duty troops into the streets immediately, a senior administration official told CBS News. Attorney General William Barr, Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley objected to the demand, the official said.

In an attempt to satisfy Mr. Trump's demand, Esper and Milley used a call with the nation's governors later that morning to implore them to call up the National Guard in their own states, the official said. If these governors didn't "call up the Guard, we'd have (active duty) troops all over the country," this official said.

That same day, the Pentagon started bringing in 1,600 active-duty troops to bases just outside the District of Columbia. Late that afternoon, Esper and Milley were on their way to the FBI's Washington Field Office, where the command center for the military and law enforcement response to the protests was located, the official said. En route, they received a call to come to the White House to give the President an update.

After the meeting, Esper reversed his decision to send the 700 troops home - not because of the president's anger, but because he had received reports that protesters were planning a million man march on Washington for Saturday. After another night of no violence in the streets, Esper again gave the order to send the 700 paratroopers back to Bragg and on Friday gave another order to withdraw all but 350 of the troops who had been placed on alert...


Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-demanded-10000-active-duty-troops-deploy-to-streets/ar-BB158NkO?li=BBnb7Kz
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jun, 2020 11:59 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Trump Demanded 10,000 Active- Duty Troops Deploy To Streets

Then it should have been done. He has that power.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jun, 2020 12:04 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Trump Demanded 10,000 Active- Duty Troops Deploy To Streets

Then it should have been done. He has that power.

It's interesting to consider what authority is being followed when the president's isn't. We all have the liberty to make choices, but what determines the choices we make (or not)?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jun, 2020 12:42 pm
Trump got into a shouting match with a top Pentagon official after demanding 10,000 troops be deployed to the streets to quell George Floyd protests, according to reports

Tom Porter

9 hours ago

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-demanded-10000-troops-be-deployed-to-quell-protests-reports-2020-6

President Donald Trump was reportedly involved in a heated meeting with top officials Monday, when he demanded the deployment of 10,000 troops to Washington DC.

The president wanted the military engaged in quelling the anti-racism demonstrations sweeping the capital after the death of George Floyd.

Mark Esper, the defense secretary, and Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as well as Attorney General Bill Barr, resisted the request, a senior official told ABC News.

Critics say Trump is dangerously escalating the unrest in seeking to involve the military in quelling civilian protests.

At a heated Oval Office meeting on Monday, President Donald Trump demanded that 10,000 soldiers be deployed to the streets of Washington DC to quell anti-racism protests, according to multiple reports.

However top Pentagon officials Mark Esper, the defense secretary, and Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Attorney General Bill Barr, all resisted the request, a top administration official told ABC News.

Milley was involved in a "shouting match" with the president over the request, a senior military official told the New Yorker, telling Trump, "I'm not doing that. That's for law enforcement." The president eventually backed down.

The White House disputed the account. Chief of staff Mark Meadows told the publication, "there was no shouting match, in terms of any directions or any operational decision that was made."

In the end, 1,600 active-duty troops were deployed on standby in the US capital, and 5,100 National Guard troops mobilized to reinforce DC police, Parks Police, and the US Secret Service during the protests.

https://i.insider.com/5edcad403ad8611e790b2f43?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp

WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 02: Members of the D.C. National Guard stand on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial as demonstrators participate in a peaceful protest against police brutality and the death of George Floyd, on June 2, 2020 in Washington, DC. Protests continue to be held in cities throughout the country over the death of George Floyd, a black man who was killed in police custody in Minneapolis on May 25. (Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images) Win McNamee/Getty Images

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the reports.

Ahead of the meeting, protests against George Floyd's death at the hands of police had reached the White House itself, with demonstrators clashing with police outside the executive residence that weekend and Trump sheltering in a top security bunker.

After the meeting, where he demanded troops on the streets, the president spoke with the governors of states where protests were taking place, urging them to "dominate" the protesters, and deploy the National Guard.

The president later gave a speech in the Rose Garden and walked to St. John's Church near to the White House for a photo-op holding a copy of the Bible, after peaceful demonstrators had been cleared by police from the area using tear gas, rubber bullets, and batons.

Esper and Milley have faced criticism for joining the president on the walk to the church, where Milley was wearing combat fatigues in violation of longstanding rules against military officials donning their uniforms during political events.

The debate on how to respond to the protests has opened a rift between the Pentagon and White House.

On Wednesday, Esper reportedly provoked Trump's fury, catching the president off guard in a press conference, saying that he did not agree with invoking the Insurrection Act to deploy the military during the unrest.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jun, 2020 12:51 pm
Colin Powell Says He ‘Cannot In Any Way’ Support Trump, Will Vote For Joe Biden

Trump “lies about things and he gets away with it because people will not hold him accountable,” the former secretary of state told CNN.

By Hayley Miller

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/colin-powell-vote-for-joe-biden_n_5edce826c5b65c62d3d27fe3

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday that he will vote for Joe Biden in the upcoming presidential election, stating he “cannot in any way” support President Donald Trump’s reelection bid.

“We have a Constitution and we have to follow that Constitution and the president has drifted away from it,” Powell, a Republican, said during an appearance on CNN’s “State Of The Union.”

“I couldn’t vote for him in [2016] and I certainly cannot, in any way, support President Trump this year,” he added.

Asked if he will vote for Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Powell said yes.

“I’m very close to Joe Biden on a social matter and on a political matter,” Powell said. “I’ve worked with him for 35, 40 years. And he is now the candidate. And I will be voting for him.”

Powell worked in four presidential administrations, serving most recently as secretary of state under President George W. Bush. Previously, he served as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Presidents Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush, and as national security adviser to President Ronald Reagan.

On Sunday, he slammed Congress for failing to hold Trump accountable for his constant lying.

“He lies about things, and he gets away with it because people will not hold him accountable,” Powell said. “While we’re watching him, we need to watch our Congress.”

Powell and others in the George W. Bush administration lied extensively while making the case for war in Iraq in the early 2000s, fabricating “evidence” of the existence of weapons of mass destruction within the country.

Following Powell’s interview Sunday, Trump bashed the former secretary of state as “a real stiff who was very responsible for getting us into the disastrous Middle East Wars.”

Several other high-profile Republicans have reportedly signaled they will not vote for Trump in November, including George W. Bush, Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah and Cindy McCain, widow of the late Arizona Sen. John McCain.

Some of the U.S. military’s top former leaders have spoken out against Trump in recent days. Two other former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff ― Ret. Adm. Michael Mullen and Ret. Gen. Martin Dempsey ― denounced the president’s threat to use military force against anti-racism protesters.

Ret. Gen. James Mattis, who resigned as Trump’s secretary of defense last year, condemned the president for dividing the nation in a statement published Wednesday in The Atlantic.

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,” Mattis wrote. “We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.”
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jun, 2020 08:12 pm
Trump gets record un-Inaugeration crowd ...





https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/407161301007ee2e72d8a2db88ed25ea9e104ee06c4b8cc56115a9d732618fc4.png
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jun, 2020 08:31 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
-Inaugeration

I bet Trump knows how to spell it.
snood
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jun, 2020 09:16 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
-Inaugeration

I bet Trump knows how to spell it.


Oooh wotta burn!!
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 7 Jun, 2020 09:31 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Oooh wotta burn!!

I am only pointing out the word was misspelled and instantly recognizable to anyone with an 8th grade diploma. I'll leave it at that.
snood
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jun, 2020 12:21 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Oooh wotta burn!!

I am only pointing out the word was misspelled and instantly recognizable to anyone with an 8th grade diploma. I'll leave it at that.


Hey, you saying Trump only graduated eighth grade? Well, that explains why he hides his school records.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jun, 2020 12:32 am
@snood,
Quote:
Hey, you saying Trump only graduated eighth grade?

No, I was trying to say someone didn't.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jun, 2020 05:58 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Trump gets record un-Inaugeration crowd ...





https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/407161301007ee2e72d8a2db88ed25ea9e104ee06c4b8cc56115a9d732618fc4.png


Time for Trump to resign. He should go back to playing golf until he finally has to report to some prison somewhere. He probably can stall that for 4 or 5 years...or may stall it until he dies.
snood
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jun, 2020 06:05 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Hey, you saying Trump only graduated eighth grade?

No, I was trying to say someone didn't.


By the way, why does he hide his school records?
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livinglava
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jun, 2020 06:13 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Time for Trump to resign. He should go back to playing golf until he finally has to report to some prison somewhere. He probably can stall that for 4 or 5 years...or may stall it until he dies.

All you prove by assembling a crowd is that you can assemble a crowd with rhetoric, the promise of (redistributed) money/wealth, or whatever.

There is no such thing as 'mob justice.' It is an oxymoron. The only way real justice is ever even approached is when you have people who are able to find enough peace and quiet to reach a space of wisdom within themselves where they can arrive at some insight that wasn't produced by surrendering to the social/economic pressures bearing down on them.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jun, 2020 06:22 am
@Frank Apisa,
Four or five years or until he dies both work for me, so long as its clear he's a convicted criminal and there's nothing he can can do to duck it.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jun, 2020 06:23 am
@livinglava,
You must be talking about Trumps re-election rallies.
livinglava
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jun, 2020 06:26 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

You must be talking about Trumps re-election rallies.

Do you really misunderstand posts you respond to, or are you just playing rhetorical games to debate against someone whose views you want to subvert by misrecognizing them?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jun, 2020 06:29 am
@livinglava,
Do you really want to extend the discussion or foist your lopsided corrupt inaccuracies on everybody?
 

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