Let's fire Trump

Relating facts is not whining. You are saying Obama is above the law. So much for Constitution right there.

When you have something to say feel free to share it with us.

I had no idea that those bean bags contained lead shot. I didn't expect real beans, but you know. . . .

The APD shot three people with "bean bags" this week. They almost blinded one - he was wearing glasses and fractured the skulls of two who are in serious condition in hospital. The police have changed their policy as a result and no longer will be using these in crowd control. It sure appeared they were aiming for peoples head.

Bean bag makes it sound as safe as rubber bullets suggest Nerf rounds. Rubber bullets kill, too.

Any factual examples of death by rubber bullet? And maybe the percentage of those who die after being hit?

about those safe rubber bullets just in UK

https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/issues/violence/rubberplasticbullet.htm

List of People Killed by 'Rubber' and 'Plastic' Bullets

The following information has been extracted from the Sutton 'Index of Deaths'. The list contains brief details of the 17 people who have been killing in Northern Ireland by members of the security forces who were using rubber or plastic bullets (also referred to as 'baton rounds'). The list is in chronological order. Eight of the 17 killed were children. All but one of those killed were Catholics.


Doherty, Peter
31 July 1981 (36) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet at his home, Divis Flats, Belfast.
Donnelly, Michael
09 August 1980 (21) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet at the junction of Leeson Street and Falls Road, Belfast.
Downes, Sean
12 August 1984 (22) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Shot by plastic bullet, during anti-internment march, Andersonstown Road, Belfast.
Duffy, Henry
22 May 1981 (45) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet while walking along street, Bogside, Derry.
Duffy, Seamus
09 August 1989 (15) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Shot by plastic bullet while walking along Dawson Street, New Lodge, Belfast.
Friel, Thomas
22 May 1973 (21) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died five days after being hit by rubber bullet during street disturbances, Creggan Heights, Creggan, Derry.
Geddis, Stephen
30 August 1975 (10) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died two days after being hit by plastic bullet, Divis Flats, Belfast.
Kelly, Carol Ann
22 May 1981 (12) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died three days after being shot by plastic bullet while walking along Cherry Park, Twinbrook, Belfast.
Livingstone, Julie
13 May 1981 (14) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by plastic bullet while walking along Stewartstown Road, Suffolk, Belfast.
McCabe, Nora
09 July 1981 (30) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Died one day after being shot by plastic bullet, Linden Street, Lower Falls, Belfast.
McConomy, Stephen
19 April 1982 (11) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died three days after being shot by plastic bullet, Fahan Street, Bogside, Derry.
McGuinness, Peter
09 August 1981 (41) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Shot by plastic bullet outside his home, Shore Road, Greencastle, Belfast.
Molloy, Tobias
16 July 1972 (18) Catholic
Status: Irish Republican Army Youth Section (IRAF), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by rubber bullet during street disturbances, outside Lifford Road British Army (BA) base, Strabane, County Tyrone.
Rowntree, Francis
22 April 1972 (11) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot by rubber bullet, Divis Flats, Belfast.
Stewart, Brian
10 October 1976 (13) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Died six days after being hit by plastic bullet near his home, Norglen Road, Turf Lodge, Belfast.
White, Keith
14 April 1986 (20) Protestant
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Died 15 days after being shot by plastic bullet, during street disturbances, Woodhouse Street, Portadown, County Armagh.
Whitters, Paul
25 April 1981 (15) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC)
Died 10 days after being shot by plastic bullet, Great James Street, Derry.

Footnotes - Age: (-9) missing. Religion: Catholic from Catholic community in NI; Protestant from Protestant community in NI; nfNI not from Northern Ireland killed in Northern Ireland; nfNIB killed in Britain; nfNIRI killed in Republic of Ireland. nfNIE killed elsewhere in Europe; Religion Summary: Catholic from Catholic community in NI; Protestant from Protestant community in NI; nfNI not from Northern Ireland. Status: status of person killed. Organisation: Organisation responsible for the killing. Summary of Status & Organsiation: British Security - British Security Forces; Republican Paramilitary - Republican Paramilitary Groups; Loyalist Paramilitary - Loyalist Paramilitary Groups; Irish Security - Irish Security Forces; not_known - organisation not known. Status & Organisation: (Civ) Civilian; (CivPA) Civilian Political Activist; (BA) British Army; (TA) British Army Territorial Army; (BP) British Police; (PO) Prison Officer; (xPO) ex-Prison Officer; (RAF) Royal Air Force; (RIR) Royal Irish Regiment; (RN) Royal Navy; (RUC) Royal Ulster Constabulary; (xRUC) ex-Royal Ulster Constabulary; (UDR) Ulster Defence Regiment; (xUDR) ex-Ulster Defence Regiment; (INLA) Irish National Liberation Army; (xINLA) ex-Irish National Liberation Army; (IPLO) Irish People's Liberation Organisation; (IPLOBB) Irish People's Liberation Organisation Belfast Brigade; (IRA) Irish Republican Army; (xIRA) ex-Irish Republican Army; (IRAF) Irish Republican Army Youth Section; (REP) non-specific Republican group; (OIRA) Official Irish Republican Army; (xOIRA) ex-Official Irish Republican Army; (OIRAF) Official Irish Republican Army Youth Section; (PLA) People's Liberation Army; (rIRA) real Irish Republican Army; (SE) Saor Eire; (LVF) Loyalist Volunteer Force; (LOY) non-specific Loyalist group; (RHC) Red Hand Commando; (UDA) Ulster Defence Association; (xUDA) ex-Ulster Defence Association; (UVF) Ulster Volunteer Force; (xUVF) ex-Ulster Volunteer Force; (GS) Garda Síochána; (IA) Irish Army; (nk) organisation not known.
See also: Note on the photographs.
Questions regarding these pages should be sent to the CAIN Director ([email protected])
© Malcolm Sutton

Can Rubber Bullets Kill You?
So-called nonlethal weapons can be lethal.
By DNews

https://www.seeker.com/can-rubber-bullets-kill-you-1765368678.html

Published on 8/15/2011 at 2:24 PM
<p><a href="http://www.gettyimages.com/search/2/image?artist=Antonio%20Ciufo&family=editorial">Antonio Ciufo</a> / Getty Images</p>

Three days into the London riots, British Prime Minister David Cameron authorized Metropolitan Police forces to use rubber bullets as an emergency crowd control measure, a move which has raised controversy due to the weaponry's dicey reputation.

Classified as "nonlethal" or "less lethal" weapons, along the same lines as chemical irritants and stun guns, rubber bullets - which typically consist of a 40-millimeter metal shell coated in rubber - are meant to incapacitate targets without causing serious injury or death.

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But since their early use in the 1970s, medical professionals, human rights groups and government officials have criticized rubber bullets, also known as baton rounds, because they say the so-called nonlethal weapons can kill.

The British government was one of the first to deploy rubber bullets on a large scale - and see resulting casualties - during clashes with the Irish Republican Army.

From 1970 to 1975, the British military fired off 55,000 rounds of 5.9-inch (15-centimeter) rubber bullets in Northern Ireland, reportedly killing 13 people at a death rate of 1 in 18,000 rounds and resulting in a severe injury rate of 1 in 800.

Rubber bullet design and technology has progressed since then to improve accuracy and reduce injury rates, yet autopsy reports of Palestinean civilian fatalities from 1987 to 1993 concluded that rubber bullets fired by the Israeli military killed at least 20 people.

Just like real deal bullet, the potential danger of baton rounds also depends on how they're fired.

In a widely publicized study in The Lancet in 2000, which analyzed the Israeli military's use of rubber bullets against Palestinians, the medical researchers concluded: "Inaccuracy of rubber bullets and improper aiming and range of use resulted in severe injury and death in a substantial number of people. This ammunition should therefore not be considered a safe method of crowd control."

Out of 152 casualties, the study highlighted 201 noticeable injuries inflicted by rubber bullets on the limbs, as well as the head, neck, face and chest, indicating improper weapon handling, since rubber bullets should be aimed at the lower half of a person's body to avoid causing serious harm.

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Despite this evidence of rubber bullet-inflicted injuries and fatalities, the U.S. Department of Defense includes rubber bullets in its arsenal of nonlethal weaponry deployed "to incapacitate personnel and materiel while minimizing fatalities, permanent injury to personnel, and undesired damage to property and the environment." It even looked into developing rubber bullets for use in rapid-fire machine guns earlier this year.

And in response to the question of whether rubber bullets should be employed to quell the recent rioting in London, Peter Waddington, professor of social policy at University of Wolverhampton told the BBC, "baton rounds are one of the least lethal weapons available anywhere."

Credit: A policeman holds a rubber bullets weapon in Ficksburg, South Africa. Photo by The Times/Gallo Images/Getty Images

Trump and His Press Secretary May Have Voted Illegally
Source: Politicalwire



“Even as they both attack the idea of voting by mail, President Trump and his new press secretary may have voted by mail illegally, using residential addresses on their registrations that were not their residences,” the HuffPost reports.

“Kayleigh McEnany cast Florida ballots in 2018 using her parents’ address in Tampa, even though she lived in Washington, D.C., and held a New Jersey driver’s license. Trump cast a Florida ballot this year using a business address in Palm Beach, where he had promised the town government he would not live.”

Read more: https://politicalwire.com/2020/06/05/trump-and-his-press-secretary-may-have-voted-illegally/

I guess they are bad shots or now they are. I see no deaths after 1986.

Tell us another one. You cannot trust one thing coming from the Palestinians. But the emphasized part shoots down your worries.

actually roger, the name "Bean bags" was a verb I think

25 Reformed Trump Voters Share Why They Refuse To Vote For Him Again

'I'll be here all week and two shows on Saturday, be sure to tip your servers, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here! Remember the cops patrol Main so leave outa the Chucklery on Broadway."

Mainly 'cause therapy works.

(cnn)

yes, we kill a lot fewer with rubber bullets these days. Mission Accomplished.
And when we bean you with the bags, youll know youve been beaned,Specially if we aim for the head

They kill fewer because they're used less, only the US and Israel use them regularly.

Maybe people realize they should not to the things that caused them to be used.

As Trump touts increased production, coronavirus swabs made during his Maine factory tour will be tossed in the trash
John Fritze Michael Collins 06/05/2020

GUILFORD, Maine – President Donald Trump traveled to Maine Friday to tour a facility that makes medical swabs used for coronavirus testing, but the swabs manufactured in the background during his visit will ultimately be thrown in the trash, the company said.

Puritan Medical Products said it will have to discard the swabs, a company spokeswoman told USA TODAY in response to questions about the visit.

It is not clear why the swabs will be scrapped, or how many. The company described its manufacturing plans for Friday as "limited" – but the disruption comes as public health officials in Maine and other states have complained that a shortage of swabs has hampered their ability to massively scale up coronavirus testing.

Workers in white lab coats, hair nets and plastic booties worked at machines making swabs while the president walked through the room. Trump, who did not wear a mask for the visit, stopped at one point to talk with some of the workers.

“Made in the USA. I’ve been saying it for a long time,” Trump said.

Trump has repeatedly traveled during the pandemic to call attention to companies who areresponding, sometimes with government help. In those cases, the president has used the factory floors as backdrops to convey a message of American ingenuity and production that he said the country has not witnessed since World War II.

Those tours generally last only a few minutes.

"The running of the factory machines is very limited today and will only occur when the president is touring the facility floor," Virginia Templet, the company's marketing manager told USA TODAY in response to questions about the event. "Swabs produced during that time will be discarded."

The White House did not respond to questions about the swabs.

Nearly a third of Maine nursing homes reported last month they had no nasal swabs to collect specimens, the Portland Press Herald reported. Nearly 61% of those that responded to a Maine Medical Directors Association survey said they had seven or fewer at their disposal.

National shortages of swabs was part of what severely hampered early coronavirus testing efforts. The Trump administration used the Korean War-era Defense Production Act to increase production, which Trump is expected to tout on Friday. Puritan, which received millions of dollars from the federal government to double production, is one of only two companies that make the kind of swabs needed in coronavirus testing.

During a briefing in April, Trump held up a medical swab alongside a Q-Tip that he pulled from his jacket pocket. Trump said swabs and chemical reagents needed for tests were "so easy to get." But in a tacit acknowledgment of the urgency of producing more, he also announced that he would activate the Defense Production Act.

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President Donald Trump arrives for a visit to the Puritan Medical Products facility in Guilford, Maine, on Friday

Trump has traveled extensively in recent weeks to call attention to his administration's effort to ramp up the production of the tools needed to combat the virus. He toured a Ford Motor Co. factory in Michigan, a company that makes personal protective equipment in Pennsylvania and a Honeywell plant in Arizona that manufacturers respirators.

Those trips have drawn attention to the president's decision not to wear a face mask in view of news cameras, even as the employees and company officials staged behind him at those events do so. Trump has noted that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines recommend – but do not require – a face mask.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/05/trump-maine-puritan-throw-away-coronavirus-swabs/3153622001/

That is some major news right there. It should upset Trump's base enough to leave him.

George W. Bush won't support Donald Trump's reelection.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/us/politics/trump-biden-republicans-voters.html?smid=tw-share

"Former President George W. Bush and Senator Mitt Romney won’t support Mr. Trump’s re-election, and other G.O.P. officials are mulling a vote for Joe Biden.

Former President George W. Bush won’t support the re-election of Mr. Trump, and Jeb Bush isn’t sure how he’ll vote, say people familiar with their thinking. Senator Mitt Romney of Utah won’t back Mr. Trump and is deliberating whether to again write in his wife, Ann, or cast another ballot this November. And Cindy McCain, the widow of Senator John McCain, is almost certain to support Mr. Biden but is unsure how public to be about it because one of her sons is eying a run for office.

None of them voted for Mr. Trump in 2016, but the reproach of big Republican names carries a different weight when an incumbent president and his shared agenda with Senate leaders are on the line.

Former Republican leaders like the former Speakers Paul D. Ryan and John A. Boehner won’t say how they will vote, and some Republicans who are already disinclined to support Mr. Trump are weighing whether to go beyond backing a third-party contender to openly endorse Mr. Biden. Retired military leaders, who have guarded their private political views, are increasingly voicing their unease about the president’s leadership but are unsure whether to embrace his opponent."

Two in a row. Hardly news. That was a gimme.