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Let's fire Trump

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 12:18 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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Will target conservative media.

Trump was right then, he is right now.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 01:11 pm
Proverbs 17:12 It’s better to meet a mother bear who has lost her cubs than a fool in his stupidity.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 01:16 pm
Minnesota Guv Slams Trump's Inflammatory Tweets: 'It's Just Not Helpful'
Source: Talking Points Memo

By Cristina Cabrera

May 29, 2020 1:09 p.m.

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) on Friday afternoon decried President Donald Trump’s bellicose tweets about the ongoing protests in Minneapolis, in which Trump threatened “when the looting starts, the shooting starts.”


During a press briefing in St. Paul, Walz confirmed that he had spoken to Trump on Thursday night to discuss the protests, as the President mentioned in one of his tweets.

“I didn’t know he was going to tweet,” the governor told reporters. “It’s just not helpful. It’s not helpful.”

Walz said that Trump’s tweets threatening to sic the military on the protesters and invoking violent rhetoric only serve to further exacerbate the situation, which was brought about by the death of George Floyd, a black man who was killed by law enforcement.

Read more: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/minnesota-guv-slams-trumps-inflammatory-tweets-its-just-not-helpful
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 01:41 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Trump is suffering from some kinda mental disorders. A total wacko .I know plenty of GOPs who are totally embarrassed at his demeanor .

coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 02:33 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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about the ongoing protests

They are not protests, they are riots.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 02:42 pm
"Riots are the language of those allowed no voice." MLK.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 02:44 pm
@farmerman,
My wife are two. He's in bad shape mentally. I thought GWB and Cheney were bad. George is looking pretty good right now.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 02:45 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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"Riots are the language of those allowed no voice." MLK.

They have voices. Obama kept race in the news throughout his administration. There is not a day that goes by someone in the media does not race bait. When King said that it was a different time and does not apply now.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 02:51 pm
@coldjoint,
except when white cops beat folks to death for no apparent reason.
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 02:57 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

"Riots are the language of those allowed no voice." MLK.

MLK wasn't advocating riots; he was a strategist of non-violence. What he was saying is that riots should be understood as a violent reaction by people who see no other way to express themselves. If he could lead them, he would lead them in non-violent protest so that they wouldn't riot.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 03:19 pm
“And I contend that the cry of ‘black power’ is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro,” King said. “I think that we’ve got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard. And, what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the economic plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years.”

"…I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention."

King’s point, though subtle, is clear. He does not support violent tactics, including riots, but he argues that the way to stop citizens from rioting is to acknowledge and fix the conditions that they are rioting against. And in the larger context of that speech, he got a chance to explain how exactly that mending should occur. The Other America speech is, at its heart, a speech about economics. (That’s why it’s popular with Rand Paul.) The solutions included fair-housing legislation, a federal law ensuring fair access to justice—about 50 civil rights workers had been killed in Mississippi since 1963 and there had been not a single conviction, he noted—and the institution of a national guaranteed annual income, which could be paid for by ending the war in Vietnam.

https://time.com/3838515/baltimore-riots-language-unheard-quote/



coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 03:21 pm
@farmerman,
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except when white cops beat folks to death for no apparent reason.

It is not all white cops, and everyone knows that, this is being sensationalized for only one purpose and that purpose is not helping Black people it is to hurt Trump.. Klobuchar had a chance to get rid of this guy, she did not. Talk to her.
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Amy Klobuchar once failed to prosecute Derek Chauvin, cop in Floyd death

https://nypost.com/2020/05/29/amy-klobuchar-previously-declined-to-prosecute-cop/
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 03:24 pm
" It is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

" The limitation of riots, moral questions aside, is that they cannot win and their participants know it. Hence, rioting is not revolutionary but reactionary because it invites defeat. It involves an emotional catharsis, but it must be followed by a sense of futility."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

"When you cut facilities, slash jobs, abuse power, discriminate, drive people into deeper poverty & shoot people dead whilst refusing to provide answers or justice, the people will rise up & express their anger & frustration if you refuse to hear their cries. A riot is the language of the unheard."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 03:29 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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Martin Luther King, Jr.

All the work King did and the progress he made was destroyed by Obama purposely. That is a fact we all have to live with. The pure evil involved in the division and hate he encouraged is something we should all reject. Instead the media and the Left thrives on that hate.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 03:34 pm
Romans 16:17-18 ESV I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 03:37 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

“And I contend that the cry of ‘black power’ is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro,” King said. “I think that we’ve got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard. And, what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the economic plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years.”

"…I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention."

King’s point, though subtle, is clear. He does not support violent tactics, including riots, but he argues that the way to stop citizens from rioting is to acknowledge and fix the conditions that they are rioting against. And in the larger context of that speech, he got a chance to explain how exactly that mending should occur. The Other America speech is, at its heart, a speech about economics. (That’s why it’s popular with Rand Paul.) The solutions included fair-housing legislation, a federal law ensuring fair access to justice—about 50 civil rights workers had been killed in Mississippi since 1963 and there had been not a single conviction, he noted—and the institution of a national guaranteed annual income, which could be paid for by ending the war in Vietnam.

https://time.com/3838515/baltimore-riots-language-unheard-quote/

The economics that produce inequalities of race, class, and gender are rooted fundamentally in the materialities and interdependencies built into industrial-consumerism. As long as people are lazy, they will want to pay others to clean their buildings, prepare their food and clean up after them, etc. Even if race disparities in consumption privileges end, there will still be class disparities because of all the people of any color who will want to consume without producing, at least not in roles that they don't want to work in. To have a truly free economy, people have to be free of the desire for things that aren't sustainable for everyone to have. That means, you look at unsustainable consumer culture and think, "that's not sustainable so I don't want that, even if other people who are richer than me are buying/doing it." When people only want the things that are sustainable and socially-responsible, there won't be a burden for anyone to shift away from themselves as a privilege of being a certain race/class/gender/nationality/etc. Take something like agricultural labor, and even most black Americans don't want citizens to take that burden back away from migrant workers, but to really be fair, we all have to contribute labor to our own economic foundations, as farmers, factory workers, etc. and our current economy is just set up for people to struggle over who gets the privilege of shifting burdens away from themselves, including black Americans, only they get disproportionately stuck with dirtier, lower-paying jobs because the history of burden-shifting was traditionally to shift the burdens to them. But you can't pretend that by equally sharing the burdens of the current industrial-consumer economy, it would suddenly become a good economy, because there are things that need reform, such as unsustainable consumption, transportation, and energy-use; so to demand equality with white culture that is unsustainable would just be shifting the privileges of unsustainability, and why would you want that? What people should want is to be liberated from unsustainability first and foremost, and ending race/class/gender descrimination should just be a part of that. The problem currently is we have standards of middle-class living that are unsustainable and unjust, so you can't transfer them to historically-deprived people and have them suddenly become sustainable and just; and yet as long as they don't change, those historically-deprived people are going to be suffering at the slowness of sustainable change.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 03:58 pm
We don't LaRouchian polemics. Just a little equality and justice is all that's called for.

That's to much word salad to wade through. I'm old. My time has better options.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 05:32 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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Just a little equality and justice is all that's called for.

Then bring Obama up on charges. Put Comey, Brennan, Clapper and Strok in jail. Killary needs to be charged too.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 07:30 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Goin ta jail Donny, goin ta jail..

Outlawing the Democratic Party will stop them from abusing their power to conduct witch hunts against people who disagree with them.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 07:32 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
This morning Trump tweeted 'you start looting we start shooting' -- and with this he played straight into one of the white privileged instincts of the out of control looting 'scary black folks' coming to get them, and that only he can save them from such a terrible fate.

Protecting Americans is his job. It is right that Mr. Trump protects America from these violent criminals.
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