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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

The violence has nothing to do with Trump. It has to with black males being murdered by cops. MLK said that riot is a language used by people with no voice.

Any politician who cannot get this murdering season ended needs voting out.

If Trump can not figure this out, it will become one more reason he will be voted out.

When you say "politician who cannot get this murdering season ended" it implies that there is control over 'the murdering season,' and that it would end if politicians give the people who control it what they want.

Any politician who gives people who control 'murdering season,' what they want would be supporting terrorism, so if Trump refuses to support terrorism, that is a reason to vote for him.

What exactly do you think Trump could or should do to "end murdering season?"

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@livinglava,

Not at all. Stop the cops from murdering. One way would be take away all the special protections in law and the "brotherhood" and prosecute these murdering cops the way you or I would be prosecuted for shooting down an unarmed handcuffed black male. Or strangling one just to prove I can do it if I feel like it, as happened by that cop in Milwaukee. Why hasn't that cop been arrested? Why did it take so long to arrest that ex cop in NC?

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Not at all. Stop the cops from murdering. One way would be take away all the special protections in law and the "brotherhood" and prosecute these murdering cops the way you or I would be prosecuted for shooting down an unarmed handcuffed black male. Or strangling one just to prove I can do it if I feel like it, as happened by that cop in Milwaukee. Why hasn't that cop been arrested? Why did it take so long to arrest that ex cop in NC?

I think the problem you have is organized crime hiring people to provoke cops the way they would hire a boxer to provoke another boxer in the ring.

There are people who would sacrifice their lives to get money for their family and/or community, so if some criminal organization pays them to provoke police to the point of violence, they will.

Obviously it's a problem if bullies are hiding behind the badge to get away with bullying, but we also have to realize that organized crime has an interest in provoking the public into making law enforcement as difficult as possible, because that makes it easier for them to make money; so if they can sacrifice some poor (black) kids to generate rules that constrain police, they are going to sacrifice those kids and that is also racism/classism.

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Why arresting reporters at a protest is an affront to the First Amendment

From CNN's Brian Stelter

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/index.html

When a journalist is arrested at a protest, the free and fair gathering of the news is arrested, too.

That's one of the reasons why these infringements on press freedom are relatively rare in the United States — and why Friday's brief arrest of a CNN crew in Minneapolis was so egregious.

"Police may not prevent journalists from covering protests if the journalists are in a place where the public is allowed, and they are not disrupting or interfering with law enforcement. Simply being near a protest or other newsworthy event is not a crime," the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press states in its guide to covering protests.

Live video from correspondent Omar Jimenez and the CNN crew showed that they were not interfering with law enforcement.

When a journalist is arrested at a protest, the free and fair gathering of the news is arrested, too.

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A black Latino CNN reporter was arrested. A white CNN reporter was not.

CNN correspondent Josh Campbell.
CNN correspondent Josh Campbell. CNN

CNN journalist Josh Campbell is also on the ground in Minneapolis, not far from where CNN reporter Omar Jimenez and his team were arrested by officers early this morning. They have since been released.

Speaking to Campbell earlier, CNN anchor John Berman pointed out that Jimenez is black and latino, and Campbell is white, though he said he did not know whether race played a factor in Jimenez’s arrest.

Campbell said he was "treated much differently." Here's what he told Berman:
"I was treated much differently than [CNN correspondent Omar Jimenez] was. I'm sitting here talking to the National Guard, talking to the police. They're asking politely to move here and there. A couple times I've moved closer than they would like. They asked politely to move back. They didn't pull out the handcuffs. Lot different here than what Omar experienced."

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz called the arrest unacceptable and totally inadvertent.

The Minnesota State Patrol released this statement on Twitter: "In the course of clearing the streets and restoring order at Lake Street and Snelling Avenue, four people were arrested by State Patrol troopers, including three members of a CNN crew. The three were released once they were confirmed to be members of the media."

CNN broadcast shows Jimenez clearly displaying his CNN badge before he was restrained.

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@livinglava,

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I think the problem

Please. Why would organized crime do that? Where's there any indication of that? You may as well say you think Martians did it all with mind control. If you're going to post that kind of crap there's no point of responding to you. Its word salad.

I can point to specific true and factual circumstances and you're going to resort to woooooo and conspiracy? I just do not have time.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Stop the cops from murdering. One way would be take away all the special protections in law and the "brotherhood" and prosecute these murdering cops the way you or I would be prosecuted for shooting down an unarmed handcuffed black male.

Or the ex-cop in Georgia. That f*cker in Minneapolis should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. There is a culture of white supremacy in law enforcement. Calling out the National Guard doesn't help, either. That's a white boys club. What amazes me is that more cities have not been on fire the way they were in the 60s.

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@Setanta,

I'm with you all the way! Its not that there were "riots" its that there weren't more and sooner.

I wish I weren't so old and so far away during covid19. I still have my black high top Chuck Taylors and I really wish I could be there.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Please. Why would organized crime do that?

Why would organized crime have an interest in provoking tighter regulations that make it more difficult for police to work?

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Where's there any indication of that? You may as well say you think Martians did it all with mind control. If you're going to post that kind of crap there's no point of responding to you. Its word salad.

What interests would Martians have in changing rules for police work, unless it's police work in area 51?

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I can point to specific true and factual circumstances and you're going to resort to woooooo and conspiracy? I just do not have time.

You have to look at the big picture. Making law enforcement difficult benefits organized crime, therefore it is in their interest to generate police brutality to stimulate the public to support tighter regulations on law enforcement.

Is a brutal police officer going to admit if he is working for organized crime? Probably not. Does that prove he isn't? No, if someone is working for organized crime, they are not going to admit it.

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@livinglava,

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Why would organized crime have an interest in provoking tighter regulations that make it more difficult for police to work?

Get out of your group think bubble. Cop and organized crime have a symbiotic relationship. No crime - no cops. No cops - no need for organized crime.

For example: legal pot is cheaper and better and less contaminated than that distributed by organized crime.

The mob LOVED the Volstead Act! Keeping it illegal meant that citizens became compliant to crime families and crooked cops.

You're the one with blinders on, you need to look at the big picture.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Get out of your group think bubble. Cop and organized crime have a symbiotic relationship. No crime - no cops. No cops - no need for organized crime.

Some police are owned by organized crime and they can do various things as police to allow crime to proceed without hindering it. But when police aren't owned by crime, they pose a threat to it; and that is why crime would have an interest in provoking the public to support stricter rules constraining law enforcement from doing their jobs.

So when you see an instance of police brutality hitting the news to provoke the public into supporting stricter laws against police, as yourself whether it makes more sense that the brutal officer was working for the public or for organized crime in the interest of getting more constraints for those officers who are more interested in stopping crime than provoking laws against law enforcement.

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For example: legal pot is cheaper and better and less contaminated than that distributed by organized crime.

The mob LOVED the Volstead Act! Keeping it illegal meant that citizens became compliant to crime families and crooked cops.

I understand this argument, but what about the effect that legalizing it has on people using? Has alcohol use gone down since the 21st amendment, for example?

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The really moronic thing here is an equation between organize crime and street cops. It ain't street cops who go after organized criminals, it's detectives or Federal agents investigating under the provisions of RICO. Street cops and organized criminals have always gotten along very well, and the gumbas in organized crime are happy to budget for buying off local detectives. Really, attempting to drag organized crime into the discussion reaches new heights of stupidity.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

The really moronic thing here is an equation between organize crime and street cops. It ain't street cops who go after organized criminals, it's detectives or Federal agents investigating under the provisions of RICO. Street cops and organized criminals have always gotten along very well, and the gumbas in organized crime are happy to budget for buying off local detectives. Really, attempting to drag organized crime into the discussion reaches new heights of stupidity.

Obviously organized crime has an interest in making street crime difficult for law enforcement because that is a way mid-level criminal organizers can make money. If you rob a convenient store, etc. organized crime can charge you to protect you and help you get away with it in various ways, so they have an interest in stimulating the public to support restrictions on law enforcement.

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@livinglava,

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I understand this argument, but what about the effect that legalizing it has on people using? Has alcohol use gone down since the 21st amendment, for example?

Well, yes it has, and studies have shown that pot use has dropped among teenagers in Colorado after legalization.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/

http://druglibrary.org/prohibitionresults.htm

And alcohol use has been dropping steadily for decades.

I'm surprised that you being a Libertarian and all would support any sort of prohibition. LaRouche and Ayn Rand sure didn't, except for the lower classes.

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@Setanta,

Its a game she's playing that I'm letting her play: by organized crime gangs she isn't discussing the Mafia.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Well, yes it has, and studies have shown that pot use has dropped among teenagers in Colorado after legalization.

Assuming your right, what can then be done about the ones who don't stop using if it's no longer illegal?

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And alcohol use has been dropping steadily for decades.

Again, assuming you're right what can you do about people who continue to drink legally if there's no law against it?

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I'm surprised that you being a Libertarian and all would support any sort of prohibition. LaRouche and Ayn Rand sure didn't, except for the lower classes.

You assume you can define me politically, but I don't submit to factional authority. I think for myself and my views are independent of anyone I read, regardless of how much I may like the author.

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HRC on 45's call for violence

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1266362120343519232

The president of the United States is calling for violence against American citizens.

That is so wrong. We need honest reckoning and reconciliation.

If you haven’t already joined the work to replace him in November, start now.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

That is so wrong. We need honest reckoning and reconciliation.

The NPR headline right now reads, "Minneapolis Seethes Over George Floyd's Death As Trump Calls Protesters 'THUGS'"
Was Trump calling all protestors "thugs" or was he talking about thugs among the protestors?
Obviously the president is going to support the right to peaceably assemble, and to do that you have to stop crime from being involved in assemblies, no?
The media should stop exploiting the collectivist ideology that policing crime is a statement about the entire community being policed is criminal.
Just because your community suffers from crime doesn't mean that everyone in your community is a criminal and not a victim.

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My city is burning...

Last edited Fri May 29, 2020, 11:20 AM - Edit history (1)
My city is burning and I'm not surprised. People are outraged. People of color in Minneapolis have been treated horribly by the MPD for a long time. People are fed up. I completely understand. I support the protesters.

Cops used to live in the city they were supposed to protect when I was a kid. Now they mostly live in their own little bubble in some suburb or ex-urb, sometimes not even in the same county. For all the liberalism that Minneapolis is supposed to represent, we have a terrible record on race relations via redlining, etc.

Agents provocateurs were seen breaking windows. I'm outraged at the hubris of MPD and their police union head, Bob Kroll, a known Trump supporter. Police are openly attacking peaceful protesters and innocent bystanders with pepper spray. I fear for the safety of protesters and other folks in the areas that are seeing the unrest. I am literally losing sleep over this ****. All I can see in my mind is that video replaying of George Floyd's death.

Edited to add: And Mike Freeman, Hennepin County Attorney, sits idly by and watches it burn.

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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213501221

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