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Let's fire Trump

 
 
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 05:27 pm
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:

He’s a snake-in-the-grass POS who can’t win legitimately so will try anything and everything to win at all costs. Even better will be the victory when he loses AND Senate goes Democratic.


Like in 2016? Seems like you are just pre-whining about Biden's loss now instead of waiting for later.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 05:44 pm
@McGentrix,
The way that so many people dont find him a heartless OB who gives not a **** for the country or the Constitution enables one to fully understand the growth of fascism in Europe of the 1930's.

His toadies are not necessarilly dumb, they are just gullible to a glib street-wise salesman like he.
We try to argue facts herein and many of similar parallel "alternative facts" are asserted by him and yet so many smart people just swallow it.





coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 06:28 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
The way that so many people dont find him a heartless OB who gives not a **** for the country or the Constitution enables one to fully understand the growth of fascism in Europe of the 1930's.

Supporting and defending our Constitution, which Trump does, is not fascism the Constitution does not allow that. The Democrats have shown us what they think of due process. They also wish to destroy the filibuster and pack the Supreme Court. If anyone are fascists it is the Democratic party. They know what they want is un-Constitutional and need it gone or the judges to bypass it.
snood
 
  3  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 06:43 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

The way that so many people dont find him a heartless OB who gives not a **** for the country or the Constitution enables one to fully understand the growth of fascism in Europe of the 1930's.



I was just thinking along those same lines myself today.

It’s easier to understand how a mutt like Hitler rise to power and got away with so much. His acolytes just kept singing his praises as he wrought havoc.
I think with Trump, as I think was probably the case with Hitler, you have millions of people enabling the madness - and a lot of them do it by just keeping silent and not confronting it where they can.
farmerman
 
  2  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 06:54 pm
@coldjoint,
all the due process and "law of the land" in recent years has been destroyed by Trump and his minions.
Fascism doesnt just appear, it must be nurtured and support collected. Trump has done this like Mussolini. He had , on his very first days, begun the "War on the press". He needs to create enemies that , by his standards, threaten the nation(even though he cares not about the nation.Its himself h needs to make

You really need to read Shirers book and see the parallels before we develop n Anschluss on Canada
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 06:54 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

farmerman wrote:

The way that so many people dont find him a heartless OB who gives not a **** for the country or the Constitution enables one to fully understand the growth of fascism in Europe of the 1930's.



I was just thinking along those same lines myself today.

It’s easier to understand how a mutt like Hitler rise to power and got away with so much. His acolytes just kept singing his praises as he wrought havoc.
I think with Trump, as I think was probably the case with Hitler, you have millions of people enabling the madness - and a lot of them do it by just keeping silent and not confronting it where they can.

You must never leave the room you are in.
farmerman
 
  2  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 06:55 pm
@coldjoint,
Please show me where Trump has defended the Constitution. Im all eyes
BillW
 
  2  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 07:15 pm
@farmerman,
President Trump, Mocking the Constitution

"In the Trump era, Congress and the courts are like cops walking the beat to protect the rule of law. Unfortunately, President Donald Trump is thumbing his nose at both of them. The question remains: When will there be consequences for the unprecedented level of shameless, flagrant corruption and lawlessness in this administration?

Just last week, President Trump treated the G7 summit like a commercial for his businesses, inviting foreign governments to line his pockets next year and hold their next meeting at his Doral, FL, golf course.

Mocking the Constitution he swore to uphold, President Trump’s G7 comments confirm what we have long known: Unless the courts expeditiously require the President to comply with the words of America’s founders, constitutional provisions like the Foreign Emoluments Clause soon will lose all practical effect, allowing presidents to profit from foreign governments without first obtaining the consent of Congress. And if that happens, the American people will no longer have any assurance that their president is making decisions based on the best interests of the nation, rather than on personal interests.

Meanwhile, the House of Representatives continues to issue subpoena after subpoena — for Trump tax records, records relating to his business interests, and testimony and records from administration officials — just to be ignored by Trump, his team, and his Republican supporters on Capitol Hill. In response to some of these, the House has delivered contempt citations, which are disregarded almost as soon as they’re issued. Congress risks sounding like the old Robin Williams joke, shouting at the President “Stop! Or we’ll say ‘Stop’ again!” as he walks away, effectively permitted to violate the law with impunity.

The American people witness this slow-motion erosion of the Constitution and wonder, rightly, if the president is ever going to be held accountable.

Trump seems incapable of being influenced through normal channels, whether that be concerns about his reputational integrity or basic appeals to his humanity. This makes the prospect of facing hard consequences for any criminal, unconstitutional, or otherwise reprehensible behavior even more vital. Anything short of actual punishment, or the credible threat of such punishment, is essentially a license to continue tearing at the fabric of the rule of law.

And this matters not just in terms of ensuring that no one — not even the president — is above the law, but also for the fundamental survival of our constitutional democracy. Every provision of the Constitution that is disregarded and disobeyed without consequence places the lasting protection of our rights and liberties at risk. Every order from Congress that goes effectively unenforced weakens the institution’s ability to protect the American people from corruption or other lawless behavior from the White House. Not just this White House, but every White House from here on that believes, as Trump proclaimed recently, that Article II of the Constitution gives him “the right to do whatever I want as president.”

That’s not how any of this is supposed to work. Article II of the Constitution does not make this or any president a king. And congressional subpoenas are not mere requests. They aren’t invitations or guidelines. When issued by the branch of government closest to the people — defined in that part of the Constitution President Trump apparently skipped over, Article I — such demands are to be met, full stop. When they are refused, as President Trump is doing, that branch of government designed to interpret and apply the law — the courts, set out in Article III — is meant and designed to enforce them.

The closeness of the presidential election in 2020 has prompted many to say that seeking to hold the Trump Administration accountable through any mechanism other than ballot box is pointless, or even harmful. But it is extremely dangerous to treat what this president and his administration are doing as merely the usual stuff of political disagreement, ultimately resolved by the tally of votes. This president has repeatedly ignored or violated the Constitution. The endless stream of corruption and lawlessness threatens eroding constitutional democracy to a breaking point. If we let it pass as politics as usual, we risk normalizing this disregard for our Constitution and reducing its power and authority.

If in the future Congress wants its constitutional powers of oversight to be taken as gravely as they should be, then leaders need to take concrete steps to enforce those powers immediately. Take Trump to court quickly. Ask the courts to act expeditiously, every single time.

Anything less, appallingly weakens the Congress as an institution, gravely undermines our constitutional democracy, and sets a terrible precedent: Future presidents may be able to get away with virtually any wrongdoing they commit while in office. "

Constitutional Accountability Center

https://www.theusconstitution.org/blog/president-trump-mocking-the-constitution/
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 07:19 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Please show me where Trump has defended the Constitution. Im all eyes

When he defends the 2nd amendment, when he goes after big tech, when he uses his 1st amendment so well, and when he tells you what Democrats want to do with it.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 07:23 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:


You must never leave the room you are in.


That’s funny coming from the person who obviously spends the most time posting here.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 07:23 pm
@BillW,
Quote:

Mocking the Constitution he swore to uphold, President Trump’s G7 comments confirm what we have long known: Unless the courts expeditiously require the President to comply with the words of America’s founders, constitutional provisions like the Foreign Emoluments Clause soon will lose all practical effect, allowing presidents to profit from foreign governments without first obtaining the consent of Congress. And if that happens, the American people will no longer have any assurance that their president is making decisions based on the best interests of the nation, rather than on personal interests.

That is not proven, and never will be. Obama clearly ignored peaceful transfer of power. That has been proven. The fact that nothing has been done about it does not change the fact Obama spied on a President elect.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 07:27 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

coldjoint wrote:


You must never leave the room you are in.


That’s funny coming from the person who obviously spends the most time posting here.

You people can fix that by not lying so much. You are doing people a disservice when you deny reality. I feel obligated to point out the lies and the fantasies.

Anything else?
snood
 
  3  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 07:39 pm
@coldjoint,
So your time here is like a public service in the pursuit of truth, huh?



BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!
<snort>. <wheeze>
BAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!

Oh, gawd. Thank you CJ!! I needed that.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 07:43 pm
@snood,
Quote:
So your time here is like a public service in the pursuit of truth, huh?

The operative word there is "your". My choice, you can call it whatever you want.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 08:02 pm
@snood,
ahahahahahahahahahaha. you can't make this stuff up....he's like a toxic barney fife
snood
 
  1  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 08:24 pm
@glitterbag,
Oh! Oh! That’s gooood. Toxic Barney Fife! Wish we could play that Barney Fife theme music every time CJ posts.

Oh damn... whew! Good stuff.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 09:56 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

ahahahahahahahahahaha. you can't make this stuff up....he's like a toxic barney fife

Wasn't that your nickname at the DOD?
farmerman
 
  2  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 10:08 pm
@coldjoint,
o you havent given any incidents where hes "upheld the constitution". We all know that Trump thinks everyone who obeys and honors this country is a loser.

snood
 
  2  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 10:16 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

glitterbag wrote:

ahahahahahahahahahaha. you can't make this stuff up....he's like a toxic barney fife

Wasn't that your nickname at the DOD?


What a stinging retort. She’ll likely be days just recovering from the blow.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2020 10:19 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

coldjoint wrote:

glitterbag wrote:

ahahahahahahahahahaha. you can't make this stuff up....he's like a toxic barney fife

Wasn't that your nickname at the DOD?


What a stinging retort. She’ll likely be days just recovering from the blow.

She isn't in recovery now? Could have fooled me.

Just to let you know, you are going to lose this game. Your skill at insults and clever remarks are right up there with your debate skills, which are non existent.
 

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