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@farmerman,

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OH I GET IT. YOU hate Mulims and their religion

I do not talk about Muslims. I talk about Islam, and stating facts from their holy literature is not hate. You are welcome to quote any post of mine where you see this hate you claim. My posts are on my profile page.

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@coldjoint,

The whole problem of your statement is that its built on take it or leave it proposition. The Democrat are not the party of MS-13 or illegal immigration. I'm a Republican and even I know that. They may want to abolish ice but they are not a Party that wants to encourage illegal immigration. One could argue the GOP is the party of illegal immigration because they want to abolish immigration to a nation built on immigration knowing it can't be stopped only made illegal. And by a stupid wall, too.

Its pretty hard to argue the Democrats are the party of pork in light of the monumentally blunderous tax breaks given to the wealthiest 5%, and the trough of stimulus hundreds of billions the hotels, airline and now the petroleum industry that just bellied up too. Embarrassingly enough so that some of them have been shamed enough to toss back into the pile so that middle class small businesses who are the ones really suffering can get some help that hasn't been very forthcoming yet.

Iran was cooperating with the US until Trump showed up and Trump is the one that broke treaties with China that helped American businesses including farmers, that seriously disrupted them when he broke them. Trump is the one who thought that Xi Jinping was such a nice fellow. And a push over. Until Coronavirus.

I do commend you for at least writing coherent if misleading paragraphs. Its a pleasant development.

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@farmerman,

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So you put trust in the worst posible people daily demonstrate.

What part of 'direct theocracy' do you think involves trusting people?
Are people God? Is trusting a human intermediary between you and God 'direct theocracy?'
Do you think about things you talk about before posting?

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Ill let you live with your hate of science >I hope you dont hate farmers too .

I don't hate either science or farmers.
I am critical of people who abuse their position as either (or anything else for that matter), but that is not the same thing as hate.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

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And you don't believe that there is any higher authority beyond humans anyway, right?
There are rules of physics nd chemistry nd biology.
As far a th rest. Im agnostic because I dont know whether theres something "Higher", But Im atheistic because I dont feel that evidence supports same and besides , wny do we actually need such belief in fairies?? Even the"Sacred" literature is confusing, conflicting, and often criminal.

Humans can ascertain rules for sciences like physics, chemistry, and biology; and then the exact same people who claim to know and understand the rules will make a claim that defies them and then (ab)use their authority to insist that they're right to someone else who trusts their authority.

Higher authority means that there is authority beyond what humans can control. E.g. If humans can't edit the law of gravity, gravity is higher authority; i.e. it is beyond humans to arbitrarily assert authority over what falls and what doesn't, how fast it accelerates, etc.

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Oh yeah, abusive farmers, a real problem for centuries. I'll tell ya. she slips the clutch on her mouth when her mind is only idling, all the time.

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What a bizarre persecution complex she has.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

For someone who claims to not know you certainly feel no compunction about speculating on me in a nasty way.

Don't you feel the least bit hypocritical about that? It speaks volumes about the quality of your own introspection, bubba.

What did I say that you consider unfairly 'nasty?'

I think I've been very fair in responding to you in kind with how you post.

You post very aggressively partisan-antipartisan statements, and I do the same. I think I do a better job of explaining why I am critical of what I am critical of, but I don't think you shy away from saying critical things any more than I do.

Are you now saying that it's good to shy away from saying critical things? Does that mean you're going to start going softer on Trump?

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Its pretty hard to argue the Democrats are the party of pork in light of the monumentally blunderous tax breaks given to the wealthiest 5%, and the trough of stimulus hundreds of billions the hotels, airline and now the petroleum industry that just bellied up too. Embarrassingly enough so that some of them have been shamed enough to toss back into the pile so that middle class small businesses who are the ones really suffering can get some help that hasn't been very forthcoming yet.

I agree that there are forms of waste-spending built into the private economy, outside of government spending; such as excessive air travel, excessive motor-vehicle use, excessive retail/consumer activity, excessive energy use; etc.

But Democrats are not reducing such waste by arguing for more taxation of investors/businesses/rich. All they are doing is suggesting that the people and businesses with money should transfer more of it to people with less so they can spend and invest more.

What Democrats should be advocating is that rich/investors/businesses spend and invest less so that there will be less economic activity harming the environment and sustainability. They should do this by proposing policies that help poor and middle-class people with things they need without using it as an excuse to increase government spending and growth-stimulus.

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@farmerman,

what I said and you, of course tried to bifurcate

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OH I GET IT. YOU hate Mu(s)lims and their religion but itd be ok if we were run by "Christian (S)haria"

Did I get the thought right??? So you hate Islam (bfd) because why, its not practiced according to the Quran?? Whats the diff with th Christian Bible.
YOUVE MADE MY CASE. Ll hates science for some reason and both of you think it must be one or the other, I have no idea how you guys glom onto that type of "thinking". Nowhere did I say anything remotely supporting having scientists run the govt unless the scientists had alredy proven themselves as politicians

We now have a showman playing president who seems to place his meager skills above those specialties of his science, intelligence, and military advisors. (That to me is the peak of idiocy. )
Hitler (and Lincoln) acted like they knew how to fight a war and only Lincoln learned

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@farmerman,

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its not practiced according to the Quran?

It is practiced according to the Koran.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg?11612

This kind of stuff is a daily occurrence.

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Nigeria: Muslims murder four people and destroy 36 houses in raid on farming village

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/04/nigeria-muslims-murder-four-people-and-destroy-36-houses-in-raid-on-farming-village

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Other Recent "Misunderstandings
of Islam"

2020.04.20 (Cameroon)
Two villagers are murdered while trying to escape Boko Haram.

2020.04.19 (Nigeria)
Three middle-aged women are among four Christians murdered by Miyetti Allah loyalists.

2020.04.19 (Indonesia)
Religion of Peace proponents slit the throat of a farmer.

2020.04.18 (Afghanistan)
Two women and a child are disassembled by a Taliban mortar round.

2020.04.17 (Yemen)
A woman and two children are obliterated in their own home by an Ansar Allah shell.

2020.04.17 (Afghanistan)
A child is among three cut down at a mosque by Religion of Peace rivals.

(Note: Data for each attack is sometimes pulled from multiple sources. The provided link may not be in complete agreement with the updated detail for the incident).

The Koran condones this.
https://thereligionofpeace.com/

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Ll hates science for some reason and both of you think it must be one or the other, I have no idea how you guys glom onto that type of "thinking". Nowhere did I say anything remotely supporting having scientists run the govt unless the scientists had alredy proven themselves as politicians

Stop saying I hate science. I neither hate science nor scientists, but I am critical of scientists when critique is warranted. You expect people to totally worship and accept scientists because of the value of science, but humans are imperfect and scientists are human. You should stop denying that by saying that anyone who questions scientists hates science.

You should also stop implying that anyone who doesn't reject religion is anti-science. Science and religion are not in conflict. Quite the contrary; science is the pursuit of truth about the creation/universe. No scientific truth is true except insofar as it explains the universe as it really is, i.e. as it actually works according to God's will.

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@livinglava,

"You may prefer the unexamined life, but don't think your ethic is superior because it's not; it's just lazy." I am not lazy, and I don't know you well enough to say that about you. I suggested you might be overexamining a joke
and you called me lazy. Can't get that, yet?

I gibe you, you slap back.

I said both an unexamined and an over-examined life are wrong but for different reasons. In the original quote it said that in an individual an unexamined life is a shame and an over-examined is tragedy.

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@livinglava,

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proposing policies that help poor and middle-class people with things they need without using it as an excuse to increase government spending and growth-stimulus.

You don't want economy growing stimulus for the poor and middle class but do for the corporations and wealthy, what are you suggesting for us, welfare?? Social programs? Socialism? Health Care? Subsided education, housing? If so I agree, but I also want stimulus for middle class businesses, too.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

"You may prefer the unexamined life, but don't think your ethic is superior because it's not; it's just lazy." I am not lazy, and I don't know you well enough to say that about you. I suggested you might be overexamining a joke
and you called me lazy. Can't get that, yet?

Stop confusing criticisms of things you say with criticism of you generally.
You might work really hard at a million things, but when you say or do something else that's lazy, it's not any less lazy because of other work you do. Get it?

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I gibe you, you slap back.

You are a fight-picker.

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I said both an unexamined and an over-examined life are wrong but for different reasons. In the original quote it said that in an individual an unexamined life is a shame and an over-examined is tragedy.

Maybe you haven't examined your own ideas thoroughly enough.

You just want to criticize anything and everything that isn't what you would do. If someone else works harder than you do at cultural analysis, you have no right to criticize that just because you don't want to work that hard at it.

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@livinglava,

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You are a fight-picker.

To quite Ronald Reagan, "There you go again." When your argument fails, you go low. For shame.

I'm done with this topic.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

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You are a fight-picker.

To quite Ronald Reagan, "There you go again." When your argument fails, you go low. For shame.

I'm done with this topic.

Wow, you criticize Republicans but quote Ronald Reagan! That's really thinking outside the box.

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@coldjoint,

Hindus kill Muslims , Jews and Muslims kill each other, Catholics kill Muslims, and Protstants kill Catholics. SFW? Its all vil ya douche bag.
here are you helping?? besides whining about closing our borders to verybody.

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@livinglava,

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I am critical of scientists when critique is warranted.

NAAH its obvious , for some reason, you hate science. Flunk out somewhere?.
Hell I flunked ROTC almost lost a scholarship, BFD.

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@farmerman,

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Hindus kill Muslims , Jews and Muslims kill each other, Catholics kill Muslims, and Protstants kill Catholics

Islam is the only religion that has open ended commands to kill or subdue all that oppose their religion. Fact.

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