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neptuneblue
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 04:54 am
@Glennn,
You talk about these "experimental injections" as if they're designed to make you grow a third leg or a hand that suddenly appears on your back or something. You're being extremely melodramatic about the science of vaccinations.
hightor
 
  5  
Wed 7 Jul, 2021 04:58 am
Biden didn't "fall short" of July 4 vaccination goal — he was sabotaged by Republican trolls

Most Democrats have gotten vaccine, but only 45% of Republicans — and the pandemic is still raging in red states

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By most measures, President Biden got surprisingly close to his goal of 70% national vaccination by July 4 that he set early on in his administration's fight against the COVID-19 pandemic. We're reportedly now at 67%, which is pretty darn good, especially considering how little of a plan Donald Trump even pretended to have before leaving office. But the mainstream media, always eager to prove to conservatives (who will never believe them) that they're just as hard on Democrats as Republicans, pounced eagerly on this minor shortfall, running headlines focusing on this "failure" rather than the much bigger story of success.

"U.S. falls short of Biden's July 4 COVID-19 vaccine goal," read the headline at CBS News.

"Biden misses July 4 vaccine target as nation's 'independence' from virus remains elusive," echoed a similar headline at ABC News.

"Biden heralds U.S. emergence from the pandemic, but he risks celebrating too soon," warns a headline at the Washington Post.

As the ABC News piece admits, this dour framing conceals a lot of genuine progress made against COVID-19, including "a 90% drop in deaths and hospitalizations since January." On July 5, the number of new reported transmissions was slightly more than 5,000, a small fraction of the cases seen at the January apex of the pandemic, when those numbers sometimes topped 250,000 a day.

Despite this success, however, it is indisputable that after months of watching the virus seemingly fade from the landscape, cases are starting to creep back up again. While many are eager to blame the CDC for rolling back mask-wearing and social distancing recommendations for vaccinated people, those who've gotten the shot are not the ones spreading this disease. The real problem is that the highly contagious Delta variant of the virus is tearing through parts of the country where people clearly would rather die than get an inoculation they associate with a Democratic president.

There are many reasons for vaccine hesitancy, of course, including conspiracy theories that are dissuading folks of all political persuasions. But if we pull back and look at the bigger picture, it's clear is that the main driver of vaccine rejection, by far, is plain old right-wing trolling. Trump supporters are so angry and bitter at Biden that they have weaponized their own bodies to sabotage his efforts to end the pandemic. Maybe it feels to them as if refusing vaccination is a good way to stick it to the liberals — who admittedly are exasperated by this behavior — the main result is that the pandemic is raging out of control in "red" areas of the country, while blue states and regions are getting back to normal.

Some sobering statistics: A new Washington Post/ABC News poll shows that while 86% of self-identified Democrats have gotten at least one shot, only 45% of Republicans have done the same. If it weren't for the high rates of inoculation among seniors, in fact, the proportion of vaccinated Republicans would be even lower. As it is, most of the unvaccinated Republicans currently say that they have no plans to get the shot.

The result, as Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on NBC on Sunday, is that the pandemic surge is a "regional" problem. A new report from Johns Hopkins about geographical rates of COVID-19 underscores his point.

"States with below-average vaccination rates have almost triple the rate of new Covid-19 cases compared to states with above-average vaccination rates," CNN reports. In Arkansas, "where less than 35% of residents were fully vaccinated," the rate of transmission is roughly five times higher than the national rate. As the Washington Post reported over the weekend, only 3% of outbreaks are occurring in counties where more than half the population is fully vaccinated.

"To put it bluntly: Polarization is killing people," as German Lopez of Vox wrote on Tuesday.

To put it even more bluntly, Republicanism is killing people. On the Democratic side of the aisle, polarization is not a problem. If anything, it probably saved lives, because many Democratic voters made it a point of pride to get vaccinated as soon as possible. All 18 of the states that have surpassed Biden's 70% goal voted for him in the 2020 election.

The rising caseload of the last couple of weeks has caused some panic on liberal social media, with some folks clamoring for a return to lockdown restrictions and mask mandates. But considering that the only places with the political will to do such a thing are also the places where vaccination rates are high and virus transmission is low, that's probably not the answer. Returning to such restrictions in blue areas, while many red states continue to ignore the problem, is a little like putting a bandage on your left hand when the wound is on your right. It might feel like you're doing something, but it's basically useless.

Conservatives no doubt feel that refusing the vaccine feels like a good way to give the finger to liberals, a message that Fox News reinforces regularly and enthusiastically. But even some Republican governors are now admitting that actually, their own voters are the ones paying the price for valuing liberal-triggering over their lives, their health and their families.

"Politics is becoming religion in our country," complained Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah, a Republican, in a Saturday appearance on CBS, adding that "it's caused us to make bad decisions during this pandemic."

The Republican governor of West Virginia, Jim Justice, was even blunter on ABC, accusing people who aren't vaccinated of being in a "death lottery." He admitted that the reason people aren't getting the shot is they "are very, very conservative in their thinking," but added that "they're not thinking right."

Of course there's nothing inherently "conservative" about refusing to protect yourself and other people by getting vaccinated. This is only a problem because Donald Trump somehow convinced his supporters that refusing to take the pandemic seriously was central to their identity. To make things worse, Fox News, eager to find a way to sabotage Biden's pandemic efforts (and his entire presidency), has convinced its viewers that only hated liberals get the shot. So the vaccines have become aligned with vegan cookery, "critical race theory" or driving a Prius: Something Republicans are convinced is sinister and will somehow infect them with socialism.


As long as vaccination rates are tied up with media assessments of Biden's success as president, Republican voters — and the propagandists of right-wing media — will have an incentive to keep refusing the vaccine. They weren't quite able to steal the election for Donald Trump, but they can offer their own bodies up as sacrifices to keep the virus circulating in an effort to make Joe Biden look bad. But this problem falls outside Biden's power to fix. If anything, the harder he pushes people to get vaccinated, the more Republicans will dig in their heels and refuse. So it's time for the media to stop blaming Biden and put the blame where it squarely belongs: On Trump, on spiteful, embittered Republicans and on the right-wing media, which would rather kill off its own viewers than give a Democratic president a legitimate win.

salon/marcotte
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 06:23 am
The Washington Post has an interesting report - From Wuhan to Paris to Milan, the search for ‘patient zero’ - with details about the several European studies suggesting the virus may have circulated undetected overseas for weeks, even months.
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Glennn
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 07:00 am
@neptuneblue,
I can see that one size fits all, here.

Why don't you show me where I failed to get it right in the material I've presented? And when you fail, consider why it is that you and others do nothing but complain about the facts I've offered while doing NOTHING to rebut them.

Oh, and telling me I'm implying that the experimental injection will grow a third leg or hand is rather dramatic, huh?

Now, rather than thumb me down, why don't you talk about where I got it wrong. I've provided quotes from people in the medical establishment concerning the PCR-test being set too high from the git go. And now that you know that the CDC decided to turn down the cycle threshold down reasonable 28 cycles . . . but only for the people who have received the experimental injection, you really have no excuse for pretending to not know what that means.

What could it mean?
Glennn
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 07:31 am
@hightor,
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They weren't quite able to steal the election for Donald Trump, but they can offer their own bodies up as sacrifices to keep the virus circulating in an effort to make Joe Biden look bad.

You speak as if you've been convinced that the experimental injection offers immunity. Could you provide something from the CDC, the WHO, or some other such source that will support your belief? Or, not?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 07:39 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
... the experimental injection offers immunity ... Or, not?
Just to help and educate you: Understanding How Vaccines Work (That's, if your term "experimental injection" refers to vaccination.)
Glennn
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 08:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Sure, we all know how vaccines work. But we're not talking about vaccines. We're talking about the experimental injections. So now you're going to explain how this experimental injection is no different from vaccines.

If you fail to do that, you should view that failure as meaning something about your beliefs.

Where did you learn that these experimental injections confer immunity? Could you possibly cite S O M E T H I N G to that effect . . . or not?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 08:15 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
If you fail to do that, you should view that failure as meaning something about your beliefs.
I'm a Christian (Roman Catholic). There's nothing - as far as I know - in my belief related to your opinion.
Glennn
 
  -1  
Wed 7 Jul, 2021 08:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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There's nothing - as far as I know - in my belief related to your opinion.

Sure there is. You believe that the experimental injections offer immunity like a vaccine. That belief is not supported by reality. Where did you hear that it offers immunity? Was it from the CDC, the WHO, the manufacturer, or tony? Who?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 08:35 am
@Glennn,
You have no idea about my belief.
Glennn
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 08:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Can't recall where you heard that the experimental injections give you immunity? That's not really surprising since not even the manufacturer has made that claim.

So, for the record, you have nothing to support the claim that the experimental injections offer immunity, do you?
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 7 Jul, 2021 08:57 am
@Glennn,
For the record:
• you talked about my belief,
• I've never said something about "experimental injections"
•• and/or that "experimental injections offer immunity".


neptuneblue
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 09:05 am
@Glennn,
Your use of the term "experimental injection" is not contextually based and your usage confers nefarious results, when in fact, the Covid 19 vaccinations have been extremely effect.

Why don't you talk about that?
Glennn
 
  -1  
Wed 7 Jul, 2021 09:08 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Do you believe that the experimental injections offer immunity, Walter?

If so, where did you hear such a thing as that?
Glennn
 
  -1  
Wed 7 Jul, 2021 09:11 am
@neptuneblue,
Ah, so you're making the claim that the experimental injections offer immunity.

Let's talk about that.

Why do you believe that these experimental injections confer immunity? Where did you learn that from?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 09:27 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
Do you believe that the experimental injections offer immunity, Walter?
Although it has nothing to do with my belief, are something you don't get here besides in clinical trials.

I know that someone who is vaccinated is very likely to be protected against the targeted disease. I have some doubts that "experimental injections" are even better than vaccines and offer immunity - something, no vaccine does until now.
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neptuneblue
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 10:54 am
@Glennn,
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/experimental-coronavirus-vaccine-highly-effective

Researchers have been working to develop a safe and effective vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19. One vaccine candidate, called mRNA-1273, is being developed by researchers at NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and the biotech company Moderna, Inc. Early results showed it can trigger an immune response against the virus without serious side effects.

To further investigate the safety and efficacy of this vaccine, a research team led by Dr. Lindsey R. Baden of Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, Dr. Hana M. El-Sahly of Baylor College of Medicine, and Dr. Brandon Essink of Meridian Clinical Research carried out a clinical trial with more than 30,000 adult volunteers nationwide. Participants were 18 years of age or older with no known previous SARS-CoV-2 infection. Results were published on December 30, 2020 in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Volunteers were randomly assigned to receive either two doses of the investigational vaccine (100 micrograms each) or two shots of a saline placebo. They received the first injection between July 27 and October 23, 2020. The second shot was given 28 days after.

The investigators recorded 196 cases of symptomatic COVID-19 among participants at least 14 days after they received their second shot. Only 11 of these cases were in the group that received the vaccine, with none severe. In contrast, 185 of the cases occurred in the placebo group, 30 of which were severe. The incidence of symptomatic COVID-19 was thus 94.1% lower in participants who received mRNA-1273 compared to those receiving placebo. For participants 65 years or older, the efficacy was 86.4%.

There were no concerning safety issues with vaccination. Local reactions to the vaccine were generally mild. About half the participants receiving mRNA-1273 experienced moderate to severe side effects—such as fatigue, muscle aches, joint pain and headache—after the second dose. In most volunteers, these resolved within two days.

One potential concern about COVID-19 vaccines is an unusual phenomenon called vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease, or VAERD. VAERD can occur when a vaccine induces an immune response that causes the disease the vaccine is supposed to protect against to be more severe if you’re exposed to the virus. However, the team found no evidence of VAERD among those who received mRNA-1273.

“There is much we still do not know about SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19. However, we do know that this vaccine is safe and can prevent symptomatic COVID-19 and severe disease,” says NIAID Director Dr. Anthony S. Fauci. “It is my hope that all Americans will protect themselves by getting vaccinated when the vaccine becomes available to them. That is how our country will begin to heal and move forward.”

The FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization(link is external) for Moderna to make the vaccine available for the prevention of COVID-19 in adults on December 18, 2020.

Although mRNA-1273 can prevent symptomatic COVID-19, more study is needed to determine whether it protects against SARS-CoV-2 transmission. Additional analyses are also underway to understand the vaccine’s impact on asymptomatic infections.
mommabear
 
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Wed 7 Jul, 2021 11:11 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Most Democrats have gotten vaccine, but only 45% of Republicans


Lotsa ways the news could be worse than that...
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InfraBlue
 
  3  
Wed 7 Jul, 2021 11:13 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

. . . but only for the people who have received the experimental injection, you really have no excuse for pretending to not know what that means.

What could it mean?

So, are you going to tell us what it could mean?
Glennn
 
  0  
Wed 7 Jul, 2021 04:41 pm
@neptuneblue,
Sure. Now let's step outside into the real world to see what's going on:

The UK is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world against Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). Out of the nation’s 68 million people, more than 45 million have received at least a single dose, and over 33 million have been fully vaccinated. However, a new report released by Public Health England (PHS) highlighted the fact that in the past few months, more fully vaccinated people have died from the Delta variant compared to unvaccinated people.

The report, titled “SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England, Technical briefing 16,” examined 60,624 Delta infections between February 1 and June 14, of which 35,521 cases were observed in unvaccinated individuals and 4,087 cases were seen in fully vaccinated individuals who got infected at least 14 days after their second dose.

The death rate for fully vaccinated individuals was 0.636 percent, which was 6.6 times higher than the unvaccinated death rate of 0.0957 percent. 26 deaths were reported among the fully vaccinated individuals, compared to 34 deaths in the unvaccinated. The death rates among fully vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals were both below one percent.

Fully vaccinated individuals were also found to be more prone to hospitalization than their unvaccinated counterparts. Out of the 4,087 fully vaccinated people, 2.05 percent (84 people) ended up in a hospital. Among the 35,521 unvaccinated people, only 1.48 percent (527 people) were hospitalized.

In an interview with LifeSiteNews, Stephanie Seneff, a senior researcher at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (MIT CSAIL), says that the situation is reminiscent of a phenomenon seen among other vaccines called antibody dependent enhancement (ADE).

According to a study published in September 2020 in the Nature Microbiology journal, “One potential hurdle for antibody-based vaccines and therapeutics is the risk of exacerbating COVID-19 severity via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). ADE can increase the severity of multiple viral infections, including other respiratory viruses such as respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) and measles.”

In another study published in 2012, lab animals injected with experimental coronavirus vaccines developed enhanced lung diseases. As a result, the researchers concluded, “Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.”

https://www.visiontimes.com/2021/07/04/deaths-hospital-vaccinated-uk.html
 

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