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ehBeth
 
  1  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:16 pm
@roger,
The US is on a scary steep climb straight up right now. Be safe eh
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:19 pm
@oralloy,
some former a2k posters have a semi-sort of bet going on over on FB on what the US total will be before Covid19 winds down. The high right now is 10,000,000 over about 2 years. The lowest guesstimate right now is over 200,000.

I don't want to think either of those numbers has a basis in reality and I know I'd be wrong.
edgarblythe
 
  2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:36 pm
I'm waiting to see what happens when the $1200 runs out.
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Sturgis
 
  2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 10:30 pm
@ehBeth,
I try desperately not to future-cast final numbers. The totals so far are horrible.
oralloy
 
  2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 10:35 pm
@Sturgis,
It's just barely starting. It's going to get really bad. Stay inside and weld your doors shut for the next month.
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Tue 31 Mar, 2020 12:51 am
@ehBeth,
One of the lessons from Italy is that good data is essential, not just for policy makers and scientists but also to convey a sense of crisis and the need to isolate to the people, and motivate them over the long haul, because now we see that confinment is starting to work.

This site from Protezione Civile has got data, metadata, graphs and maps:
http://opendatadpc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/dae18c330e8e4093bb090ab0aa2b4892
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 31 Mar, 2020 06:37 am
@Olivier5,
Worst-hit German district to become coronavirus ‘laboratory’

Quote:
Study will follow 1,000 people in Heinsberg to create plan for how to deal with virus

German scientists have announced what they described as a first-of-its-kind study into how coronavirus spreads and how it can be contained using the country’s worst-hit district as a real-life laboratory.

The virus has spread more widely among the 250,000 residents of Heinsberg – a district in North Rhine-Westphalia bordering the Netherlands – than anywhere else in Germany, with 1,281 confirmed infections and 34 deaths. More than 550 people have recovered from the illness so far. The advance of the virus in Heinsberg, nicknamed “Germany’s Wuhan” after the Chinese city where the global pandemic emerged, is between two to two and a half weeks ahead of the rest of the country.

Over the coming weeks the district will be used by leading virologists and a team of 40 medical students as a sort of laboratory for studying the virus. The “Covid-19 case cluster study”, launched on Tuesday morning, will follow 1,000 people who have been chosen because they are representative of the German population as a whole.

The results will be used to create a blueprint for how Germany might deal with the virus over the next few years, said Prof Hendrik Streeck, head virologist at the University of Bonn.

“This is a big chance for the whole of Germany,” Streeck told a meeting of parliamentarians that was streamed live on television. “We’ll be gathering information and practical tips as to how to deal with Covid-19 and how we can achieve further containment of it, without our lives having to come to a standstill over a period of years.”

The study’s results will potentially have implications for other countries.

The scientists will go into 500 households, as well as kindergartens and hospitals, to study how the infection is spread. They will look at every aspect ofeveryday life, from the extent to which children pass it onto adults, how it is spread within families – from mobile phones to door handles, to cups and the TV remote control – to whether pets can spread it, and whether it is transferred via certain types of food. “If there are ways of preventing the illness from spreading in our environment, we want to know what they are, with the goal of finding out how we can freely move about in the environment together,” Streeck said.

“On the basis of our findings we’ll be able to make recommendations, which politicians can use to guide their decision-making,” Streeck said. “It could be that the measures currently in place are fine, and we say, ‘Don’t reduce them.’ But I don’t expect that, I expect the opposite, that we will be able to come up with a range of proposals as to how the curfews can be reduced.”

By testing the immunity to Covid-19 of the study’s participants, the scientists will also be able to establish what the estimated number of undetected cases might be nationwide.

The first results are expected to already be made public next week, though the entire gathering of evidence will take several weeks and its analysis is likely to be carried out over months and years.

Streeck said he was unaware of any other studies of its kind being carried out in other hotspots, such as Wuhan in China, Ischgl in Austria, Bergamo in Italy and Alsace in France. He was surprised that the government’s own advisors on public health matters had not come up with the idea already, “because after all, containment is of national interest”, he said.

He said he hoped the study would help decision-makers in the “ethical dilemma” of establishing a balance between maintaining livelihoods and managing the death rate.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Tue 31 Mar, 2020 11:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
837 deaths in Italy today. Still plateauing.
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NSFW (view)
Olivier5
 
  1  
Tue 31 Mar, 2020 11:58 am
@ehBeth,
I must say there are lots of funny jokes on the Interwhatsface.
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engineer
 
  3  
Tue 31 Mar, 2020 03:12 pm
An aircraft carrier is stuck in Guam with over a hundred cases and sailors confined in tight quarters. The Navy is looking to move the crew off to quarantine.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/navy-aid-sailors-positive-coronavirus-157678

ehBeth
 
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Tue 31 Mar, 2020 03:14 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Our mayor locked Toronto down comparatively early.


he's just announced that all public events are banned until June 30th.

we're taking bets on how long it takes the premier to follow suit.
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oralloy
 
  3  
Tue 31 Mar, 2020 06:37 pm
New York City is starting to dig mass graves.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/31/rikers-island-coronavirus-mass-graves/

https://www.gq.com/story/rikers-island-mass-grave
Sturgis
 
  2  
Tue 31 Mar, 2020 10:37 pm
@oralloy,
NYC went over the 1,000 dead total today. It's not showing any sign of slowing.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 31 Mar, 2020 10:57 pm
@Sturgis,
Similar here in Germany: 732 confirmed deaths, 149 more than before. And a record number of people have died in the past 24 hours in France, Spain and the UK, too.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 1 Apr, 2020 12:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Another alarming number here in Germany: about 500,000 announcements by companies (that's 500,000 employers with an unknown number of employees and worker) for short-time work (Kurzarbeit*) were received in March, 20 times more than the previous record in the financial crisis.


* Kurzarbeit:
The “short-work-scheme" is in existence since the early 1900s (1903, if I remember correctly), was just modified to better address the current economic disruptions:
The current policy is as follows:
• Retroactive to March 1, 2020, businesses can register for the scheme if 10 percent (previously 30 percent) of their employees face income reductions of more than 10 percent due to the current crisis.
• The subsidy amounts to 60 percent of lost after-tax wages (67 percent if the employee has at least one child).
• Social security contributions (statutory health insurance, long time care insurance, pension insurance, unemployment insurance, occupational accident insurance, etc) paid on the reduced working hours will be refunded.
• The wage subsidy can be collected for up to 12 months.
• Temporary workers are also eligible.
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BillRM
 
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Wed 1 Apr, 2020 12:32 am
@oralloy,


Quote:
So far this season, 12,000 people in the U.S. have died due to flu-related illnesses and complications, according to the latest data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Of those deaths, 10 were children.

The CDC estimates that, so far this season, there have been at least 22 million illnesses, 210,000 hospitalizations and 12,000 deaths from the flu.

Typically, the groups most at risk of the flu are older adults, very young children, pregnant women and those with certain chronic medical conditions.


Did NYC dig mass graves for the thousands of deaths including children from the flu?
Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 1 Apr, 2020 12:40 am
@BillRM,
The number of covid-19 victims in the US is expected to range anywhere from 200,000 (in the hypothesis of a near ideal societal response) to over 2 million (if there’s no response, BAU). It’s worth trying to stay as close to the first figure, and as far from the second as possible.
BillRM
 
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Wed 1 Apr, 2020 12:45 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

The number of covid-19 victims in the US is expected to range from 200,000 (in the hypothesis of a near ideal societal response) to over 2 million (if there’s no response, BAU). It’s worth trying to stay as close to the first figure, and as far from the second as possible.


This is reminding me of the internet generated concerns that all our technology would shut down due to the Y2K software bug causing ten of thousands of deaths as a result.

Come on people this bug is at worst the same as a bad Flu season.
oralloy
 
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Wed 1 Apr, 2020 12:55 am
@BillRM,
Two million US dead is not the same as a bad flu season.
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